Brewers at Reds; Tuesday, June 3 @ 6:10 p.m.: Freddy Peralta (2.77 ERA, 3.99 FIP) vs. Hunter Greene (2.63 ERA, 3.29 FIP)

[brewfanmn]

Wait so is Murphy a bad manager now because he taxes the bullpen too much, or because he leaves his best starter in too long? I'm having trouble keeping my narratives straight

[kevinisaname]

Yeli is on everything. It's a shame it was caught.

[duewizard]

If we lose tonight its on Murphy. Peralta had struggled in the 5th and he was already at over 90 pitches. I don't blame Rob Z for allowing a run to score. 2nd and 3rd with no outs turns into 1.96 runs on average. Either he or Ashby should have started the inning

[Bulldogboy]

1 minute ago, brewfanmn said:

Wait so is Murphy a bad manager now because he taxes the bullpen too much, or because he leaves his best starter in too long? I'm having trouble keeping my narratives straight

The issue with Murphy is there is no real plan. Guys are cruising and yanked. Guys clearly laboring back out for more. He's had a horrible year on pitching side imo.

[duewizard]

1 minute ago, brewfanmn said:

Wait so is Murphy a bad manager now because he taxes the bullpen too much, or because he leaves his best starter in too long? I'm having trouble keeping my narratives straight

Its not about narratives nor is it a dichotomic issue. He is overusing guys like Uribe AND he should have pulled Peralta. 2 things can be true at once

[adambr2]

1 minute ago, brewfanmn said:

Wait so is Murphy a bad manager now because he taxes the bullpen too much, or because he leaves his best starter in too long? I'm having trouble keeping my narratives straight

This is going to blow your mind, but it is possible for a manager to make both mistakes of leaving a starter in too long and pulling a starter too early in different independent games. 

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

I think keeping Freddy in was marginally the wrong call, but if you score 5 runs in two games at that ballpark, you're lucky to win one.

[Pugger]

4 minutes ago, brewfanmn said:

Wait so is Murphy a bad manager now because he taxes the bullpen too much, or because he leaves his best starter in too long? I'm having trouble keeping my narratives straight

No, he screwed up tonight trotting Freddy back out there in the 7th.

[adambr2]

Just now, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

I think keeping Freddy in was marginally the wrong call, but if you score 5 runs in two games at that ballpark, you're lucky to win one.

Yeah I’m mostly in agreement. Freddy shouldn’t have started the 7th, but 2 runs isn’t enough offense. No certainty they win even if he doesn’t start the 7th.

[kevinisaname]

Crap.

[yfinn6]

Ouch, that homer hurts. 

[wiguy94]

Does someone want to let Murphy know that Aaron Ashby exists? Ashby hasn't pitched since 5/27...we are basically operating with a 7 man bullpen

[BruisedCrew]

2 minutes ago, duewizard said:

If we lose tonight it’s on Murphy. Peralta had struggled in the 5th and he was already at over 90 pitches. I don't blame Rob Z for allowing a run to score. 2nd and 3rd with no outs turns into 1.96 runs on average. Either he or Ashby should have started the inning

If the Brewers lose tonight it’s because the offense has gone to sleep after the two big games in Philly.

[Gump]

That’s going to sting.

[Pugger]

As I said earlier it had to end sooner or later.  Oh well....

[duewizard]

Just now, BruisedCrew said:

If the Brewers lose tonight it’s because the offense has gone to sleep after the two big games in Philly.

50/50 imo

But yeah hopefully tomorrow they get going again

[Pugger]

1 minute ago, wiguy94 said:

Does someone want to let Murphy know that Aaron Ashby exists? Ashby hasn't pitched since 5/27...we are basically operating with a 7 man bullpen

This is really a head scratcher.

[kevinisaname]

1 minute ago, duewizard said:

50/50 imo

But yeah hopefully tomorrow they get going again

I don't have the highest of hopes against Andrew Abbott.

[Bulldogboy]

1 minute ago, BruisedCrew said:

If the Brewers lose tonight it’s because the offense has gone to sleep after the two big games in Philly.

A mirage for sure. Ortiz got a bit of a repreve but dude is terrible and an upgrade is needed. 

[Bulldogboy]

Just now, Pugger said:

This is really a head scratcher.

Wouldn't be surprised if he's hurt.

[edfunderburk]

12 minutes ago, brewfanmn said:

Wait so is Murphy a bad manager now because he taxes the bullpen too much, or because he leaves his best starter in too long? I'm having trouble keeping my narratives straight

Yes to both questions 

[yfinn6]

Just now, Bulldogboy said:

A mirage for sure. Ortiz got a bit of a repreve but dude is terrible and an upgrade is needed. 

Yeah, his defense has been fine but we just can't have his bat in the lineup. 

[adambr2]

1 minute ago, Bulldogboy said:

A mirage for sure. Ortiz got a bit of a repreve but dude is terrible and an upgrade is needed. 

Been so disappointed in Ortiz. Last year he looked a guy we should be happy to build around.

[Pugger]

Murphy let Freddy go back out because Peralta wanted to?  smh

[edfunderburk]

Can’t win them all … unless you play for LSU- Shreveport that just completed a perfect season of 59-0 (NAIA World Series Champions)