Phillies at Brewers; Thursday, September 4 @ 3:10 p.m.: Freddy Peralta (2.58 ERA, 3.60 FIP) vs. Ranger Suárez (3.02 ERA, 3.04 FIP)

[Brian]

1 hour ago, LouisEly said:

So is playing every day.

I'd rather they get some rest now than have nothing left in the tank when the playoffs start.

This is the best post I have read and exactly what the Brewers did today. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

30 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

They did next to nothing and should have done much more. There were needs there ti be improved. If you wanted a lefty bat go get one. Meanwhile every day we are forced to watch Bauers and Siegler pile up ab. They got complacent and they are paying for it. Tons of bullpen pieces went and we get the guy who was already hurt? That's on Arnold 

Tell me who was available & what it would've taken to get that player, and I'll have an opinion. The problem is, you can't. Perhaps they could've done more but w/o knowing the above it's just a bunch of 😫MOVE THE NEEDLE!!!!!😫 hot air.

Miller was on the IL at the time of the trade, yes. Guys go off the IL with no recurring problems all the time. Sucks when you're a GM & your crystal ball is on the fritz.

[jason21nl]

1 minute ago, Brian said:

This is the best post I have read and exactly what the Brewers did today. 

You have to get to the playoffs first…the bottom of the order is dog water and the injuries are mounting.   It’s not about just making the playoffs.  They need a top seed 

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, Bulldogboy said:

Play the best players. Aside from injury until u clinch just play the best 9 Stop mixing in scrubs like Bauers Jansen Perkins every night. We can play them once you do.

Chourio is NOT going to play CF at this point nor should he. And if Frelick plays CF that weakens you defensively at two spots (I know no one likes to think of that side of the ball, but it's vastly important). Thus Perkins.

The other two don't even come close to playing every night.

[Brian]

1 hour ago, Bulldogboy said:

This take is fine except the Brewers decided at the deadline to do nothing. Your bench is Bauers Siegler Perkins and Jansen. You cannot afford to give days off if you have nobody on the bench. Also the Hoskins situation has to be investigated. You're telling me this guy needs 3 weeks of ab in the minors? The guy is making 20 million bucks. Where is he??

MLB preseason is 2 months long, so maybe the tune up needs to be a month. But 1st base really isn't the Brewers issue. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

39 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Payamps over Yoho today was interesting that reveals more of Murphy. 

Agree with you there. I'd have gone with Yoho.

What it 'reveals' is not trusting Yoho in a 1-0 game, and believing Payamps would be more likely to throw strikes vs the bottom part of their order. Which he probably was. There are always reasons for these decisions, and many times we don't understand what they are, or aren't privy to them.

But yeah, I'd have gone with Yoho too.

[Brian]

10 minutes ago, jason21nl said:

You have to get to the playoffs first…the bottom of the order is dog water and the injuries are mounting.   It’s not about just making the playoffs.  They need a top seed 

We could lose 10 of our remaining 21 games after todays loss and still be a wild card and I doubt we do that. 

[willie key]

Vaughn stinging the ball like he has all year.    

[willie key]

Just now, Brian said:

We could lose 10 of our remaining 21 games after todays loss and still be a wild card.        I doubt we do that. 

Yeah.   We are in playoffs.    But you have to get a bye or regular season is a failure

[jason21nl]

Just now, Brian said:

We could lose 10 of our remaining 21 games after today’s loss and still be a wild card.        I doubt we do that. 

And they just might do that    This team is not good right now.  Their record is good but the team they’re putting out there right now is not and with the injuries they’re getting worse.  

[HarryDoyle]

What exactly makes anyone think Yoho is a better option? Because every time I saw him pitch this year, he got shelled.

[adambr2]

11 minutes ago, Brian said:

We could lose 10 of our remaining 21 games after todays loss and still be a wild card and I doubt we do that. 

The Wild Card is not the goal with a 5.5 game division lead on September 4th. The Wild Card would represent a pretty massive choke. And I think it would take more than 10 out of 21 losses. 

[adambr2]

6 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

What exactly makes anyone think Yoho is a better option? Because every time I saw him pitch this year, he got shelled.

I don’t even know why people are debating Payamps versus Yoho anyway. We scored 0 runs today. Wes Obermueller could have come out of retirement to pitch the 9th and it would have made no difference.

[Brian]

26 minutes ago, jason21nl said:

And they just might do that    This team is not good right now.  Their record is good but the team they’re putting out there right now is not and with the injuries they’re getting worse.  

I look at it like loosing your QB in football right before the playoffs if you have a big standings lead and played him, let them miss a game to heal up and get back as close to 100% as you can. That is what Murphy did today. I think that is smart. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

7 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

What exactly makes anyone think Yoho is a better option? Because every time I saw him pitch this year, he got shelled.

He has an ERA in AAA of just under 1.00, and his WHIP is just a little over 1. In 90 minor league games his career ERA is 1.22. He was lousy when he was here, but made some adjustments that have apparently helped with command.

His jury is still out, but being as good as he's been in his Mi League career can't be ignored. If someone as talented as Corbin Burnes can struggle like he did in '19, certainly he's susceptible too.

[Jim French Stepstool]

21 minutes ago, willie key said:

Vaughn stinging the ball like he has all year.    

This is the second time recently he's had a day off & came back hitting the ball hard.

It's almost as if, with some guys, getting a day off is a good thing.

[Bulldogboy]

31 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Chourio is NOT going to play CF at this point nor should he. And if Frelick plays CF that weakens you defensively at two spots (I know no one likes to think of that side of the ball, but it's vastly important). Thus Perkins.

The other two don't even come close to playing every night.

So you're saying Chourio can play left and can run the bases but he can't play center even though he's already played it since he came back? Insane. If he's hurt sit out. If he's healthy he needs to be keeping Perkins on the bench until about inning 7 and defensive sub

[Brian]

13 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

What exactly makes anyone think Yoho is a better option? Because every time I saw him pitch this year, he got shelled.

I agree but I think he may have gotten better since we saw him last.  I trust Matt Arnold, Murphy and the 20 other coaches here and in Nashville 100% they don't want to lose either but there smarter than us, I promise you that. Yoho is being watched closely every pitch, even in the bullpen warmups in Nashville. 

[Bulldogboy]

19 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

What exactly makes anyone think Yoho is a better option? Because every time I saw him pitch this year, he got shelled.

Then why is he here? If he can't pitch with a lead and he can't pitch when you're down then send him out. Now keep in mind Payamps was released and nobody wanted him so he stayed. Release Yoho and I'm guessing he gets picked up. That's the reason 

[adambr2]

38 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Chourio is NOT going to play CF at this point nor should he. And if Frelick plays CF that weakens you defensively at two spots (I know no one likes to think of that side of the ball, but it's vastly important). Thus Perkins.

The other two don't even come close to playing every night.

Why? Until when? That’s his natural position.

[Jim French Stepstool]

4 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

So you're saying Chourio can play left and can run the bases but he can't play center even though he's already played it since he came back? Insane. If he's hurt sit out. If he's healthy he needs to be keeping Perkins on the bench until about inning 7 and defensive sub

CAN'T? No I'm not saying he can't. I'm saying it isn't a good idea since he felt that little tug or whatever it was the other day. Since then he hasn't played CF. Playing LF is easily the least challenging OF spot physically. I think he'll be back in CF eventually

[Brian]

6 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Then why is he here? If he can't pitch with a lead and he can't pitch when you're down then send him out. Now keep in mind Payamps was released and nobody wanted him so he stayed. Release Yoho and I'm guessing he gets picked up. That's the reason 

Lucky we didn't pitch Yoho we scored zero today, he could have pitched and struck out the side 1-2-3 and still would have lost. 

[Bulldogboy]

Alexis Diaz dfa today. He might be washed but bullpen is worth a shot. Maybe 

[tmwiese55]

To me the more killer loss or thing that show the bigger issue right now was Monday blowing that big lead.  Sure, Phil has great hitters but the biggest thing that has made MKE good for years now is pitching/bullpen. That's their backbone. 

Monday (along with a few others recently) have shown that strength is faltering right now. Of course partly due to injuries and fatigue caused by the 18 in 17 stretch.  And now it seems Mears will be out too.  One of our most reliable things all of a sudden is thin.  Need Megill to come back strong to sure it up a bit.   To me that's the bigger concern that the not scoring much on a rest day vs a good pitcher, while still having tons of scoring opps they effed up.  That happens some days and they've generally been one of the best in the league on that so don't have much concern on it now.    

[Bulldogboy]

2 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

CAN'T? No I'm not saying he can't. I'm saying it isn't a good idea since he felt that little tug or whatever it was the other day. Since then he hasn't played CF. Playing LF is easily the least challenging OF spot physically. I think he'll be back in CF eventually

He needs to be out there if he's healthy. The Perkins situation is killing them. He looks like he's about to cry every ab. You only get 27 outs a night. We keep handing the opposition 6-8 free outs a night. The Phillies had zero auto outs today. This is why even though they didn't score against him they got Freddy out early.