Game 15: Packers @ Bears - Saturday, Dec. 20th @ 7:20 PM

[HarryDoyle]

2 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

You don’t remember the 80s and earlier then. What have they had 4-5 losing seasons in the last 33 years? In the 80s Green Bay is where careers went to die. For context in 1980 the Packers drafted a player 4th overall (Bruce Clark) and he refused to play for the Packers and went to the CFL until the Packers relinquished his rights.

What “great” players? I dare you to name players on the Packers outside of Parsons who are clearly the best at their position in the North Division let alone amongst NFL best. It certainly isn't anyone at  QB, RB, WR, CB.

A flawed team is still going to win 10 maybe more games, and people equate that with sucking. Signs of a spoiled fan base. 

Was anyone calling any Bears player the best at their position last year? You're assuming our players have already peaked. It's a coaching issue and it needs to be addressed, barring an Eli Manning led Giants team playoff run.

[HarryDoyle]

17 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Playoff loss won't sting me. I am already numb after last night. Honestly it would have been worse. Had they closed it out 16-6 nobody would be overly concerned about playing the Bears, now everyone will expect to lose the game. The Packers would have blown it either way, so at least they prepped us for it. 

Not entirely sure they will even get there though. Baltimore has plenty to play for and Minnesota would love to take us out. And their internal psyche can't possibly be great at the moment. 

I agree with most of what you've said today but two weeks ago and for the first 58 minutes last night we proved we are a better team than the Bears and I would not be afraid to play them again in a few weeks. They've just got to get out of their own way and finish off games they have no business losing. Unfortunately, that's been a problem all season and if that's how the season ends again, a change needs to be made at head coach. I even believe we can win the division still, given the schedule for both teams. 

[adambr2]

I never understood the whole concept of the idea that I should be eternally grateful to whatever the Green Bay Packers give me now no matter how devastating the losses might be because they aren’t as bad as they were in like 1985 when I was 3 and had no emotional investment whether they went 0-16 or won the Super Bowl.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

10 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

I agree with most of what you've said today but two weeks ago and for the first 58 minutes last night we proved we are a better team than the Bears and I would not be afraid to play them again in a few weeks. They've just got to get out of their own way and finish off games they have no business losing. Unfortunately, that's been a problem all season and if that's how the season ends again, a change needs to be made at head coach. I even believe we can win the division still, given the schedule for both teams. 

I am not afraid to play the Bears. It's not unique to the Bears. I am just of the mindset that if you plopped the Packers into a playoff game against the Jets they would find a way to make it close. 

Reason goes out the window with the Packers. I have absolutely no faith in them. 

I have already mapped out how the Packers season ends: they'll block a game-winning field goal attempt but recover it and fumble, giving the Bears a fresh set and a second kick. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

1 minute ago, adambr2 said:

I never understood the whole concept of the idea that I should be eternally grateful to whatever the Green Bay Packers give me now no matter how devastating the losses might be because they aren’t as bad as they were in like 1985 when I was 3 and had no emotional investment whether they went 0-16 or won the Super Bowl.

It's just a coping mechanism. It's not reality based. It's gotten so ridiculous that I think we could go another 30 years without anything and people will still be talking being grateful because their grandpa said the team used to be really bad. The Packers are a 43-win NBA team right now and people are convinced they are something other than that.

[yourout]

I wonder if they lose the next two or possibly next three which would end the season on a five-game skid if that would be enough for a change.

[Jopal78]

2 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Ok guy. The NFL #7 seed is the new NBA #8 seed. I'm glad being the last team in the playoffs is some kind of achievement for you. Some of us would like to actually get to the Super Bowl again, it's been 16 years, it wasn't yesterday. 

We have the reached the excuse-making plateau when people are still saying we should remember the 80s, a period 40-45 years ago, as a reason to be grateful for consistently choking away games with a 90+% win probability. 

We just lost our division championship on a game that reached 99.1% win. And you are giving it the "Aw shucks" treatment. That's not entitlement. 

They’re a mediocre talent team, and are right about where they should be in the standings.

If you thought a team which doesn’t even roster many of the best players in their own Division was amongst the cream of the crop, then you were fooling yourself from the get go and it explains your frustration their not marching into the postseason as a one or two seed, and blaming the coaches. 

 

 

[HarryDoyle]

20 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I am not afraid to play the Bears. It's not unique to the Bears. I am just of the mindset that if you plopped the Packers into a playoff game against the Jets they would find a way to make it close. 

Reason goes out the window with the Packers. I have absolutely no faith in them. 

I have already mapped out how the Packers season ends: they'll block a game-winning field goal attempt but recover it and fumble, giving the Bears a fresh set and a second kick. 

Fair enough. I don't blame you for feeling that way. I'm just not going to root for them to lose though just because of their recent history to break your heart when it matters most.

[Brian]

Looks like KC QB Gardner Minshew got hurt already today.  So now both Mahomes and Gardner Minshew may be out. 

[HarryDoyle]

13 minutes ago, yourout said:

I wonder if they lose the next two or possibly next three which would end the season on a five-game skid if that would be enough for a change.

Anything less than an Eli Manning led Giants team like playoff run should be enough.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

7 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

They’re a mediocre talent team, and are right about where they should be in the standings.

If you thought a team which doesn’t even roster many of the best players in their own Division was amongst the cream of the crop, then you were fooling yourself from the get go and it explains your frustration their not marching into the postseason as a one or two seed, and blaming the coaches. 

 

 

That supposed mediocre talented team has essentially clinched their division this morning by sealing what was a 99.1% probability of victory.

And it's the second 95+ such game they've lost in a single season. Post doesn't even make sense.  You're a pretending the 2 seed was some far fetched dream when it is exactly where they should be. 

Literally recover an onside kick with a game your back QB played and without your best defensive player, and they are essentially a clinched 2 seed.

Football is not and never has been decided by individual player ratings. This isn't baseball. You are leaning on a very weak excuse as to why this season unraveled. You're excusing it as a talent problem when every piece of evidence shows that isn't it. 

 

[yourout]

Has any other NFL team lost this year because they gave up an onsides kick?

[HarryDoyle]

15 minutes ago, Brian said:

Looks like KC QB Gardner Minshew got hurt already today.  So now both Mahomes and Gardner Minshew may be out. 

[Recovering Chicagoan]

7 minutes ago, yourout said:

Has any other NFL team lost this year because they gave up an onsides kick?

Not sure, but the Rams' losses were largely due to bad ST, which is why their ST coach was let go. In fact, do the Packers have worse ST than the Rams? 

[homer]

at the end of the day, a guy botched an o side kick recovery. that's not the fault of a coach or GM. I would like to see a playoff game or two but if they don't make it that doesn't change my opinion of the season for me  Disappointing but a couple of bad luck games and very bad luck with injuries. Come back strong next year and hope you stay healthier.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

1 minute ago, Recovering Chicagoan said:

Not sure, but the Rams' losses were largely due to bad ST, which is why their ST coach was let go. In fact, do the Packers have worse ST than the Rams? 

They did something about it. Probably why they've won a Super Bowl in the last 15 years and still have a chance to get another one. 

[Recovering Chicagoan]

46 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I am not afraid to play the Bears. It's not unique to the Bears. I am just of the mindset that if you plopped the Packers into a playoff game against the Jets they would find a way to make it close. 

Reason goes out the window with the Packers. I have absolutely no faith in them. 

I have already mapped out how the Packers season ends: they'll block a game-winning field goal attempt but recover it and fumble, giving the Bears a fresh set and a second kick. 

Ha! That's quite possible. I also could've seen the Packers winning last night but losing the last two regular season games and thus losing the division to either the Bears or Lions. Then the inevitable first playoff game loss.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

1 minute ago, homer said:

at the end of the day, a guy botched an o side kick recovery. that's not the fault of a coach or GM. I would like to see a playoff game or two but if they don't make it that doesn't change my opinion of the season for me  Disappointing but a couple of bad luck games and very bad luck with injuries. Come back strong next year and hope you stay healthier.

I'd have to agree about last night in particular. All things considered they seemed to be schemed awfully well until the defense completely imploded for its last 3 drives. Always a thing or two you wanted called differently but MLF is not why they lost. 

This team has kicked us in the balls so much that asking for health isn't enough. They could be the best and healthiest team in history and I'd be just waiting for the choke. It's what they've become. 

[HarryDoyle]

28 minutes ago, homer said:

at the end of the day, a guy botched an o side kick recovery. that's not the fault of a coach or GM. I would like to see a playoff game or two but if they don't make it that doesn't change my opinion of the season for me  Disappointing but a couple of bad luck games and very bad luck with injuries. Come back strong next year and hope you stay healthier.

But look at the overall execution of the play. It was poorly blocked as well, almost as if they weren't even prepared. That's 100% on the coach. Yeah, Doubs should've come up with the ball if he's going to be out there, which he shouldn't, and we can debate why he is even on the hands team to begin with, but Bissicia is hardly blameless in this. Melton and McKinney looked like they had no clue of what to do. It's absolutely embarrassing how our special teams have been so bad for so long, and there's never any accountability. We're talking decades here.

[yourout]

3 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

But look at the overall execution of the play. It was poorly blocked as well, almost as if they weren't even prepared. That's 100% on the coach. Yeah, Doubs should've come up with the ball if he's going to be out there, which he shouldn't, and we can debate why he is even on the hands team to begin with, but Bissicia is hardly blameless in this. Melton and McKinney looked like they had no clue of what to do. It's absolutely embarrassing how our special teams have been so bad for so long, and there's never any accountability. We're talking decades here.

Over the last 10 years we have to have had the worst special teams units in the NFL.

[homer]

1 hour ago, HarryDoyle said:

But look at the overall execution of the play. It was poorly blocked as well, almost as if they weren't even prepared. That's 100% on the coach. Yeah, Doubs should've come up with the ball if he's going to be out there, which he shouldn't, and we can debate why he is even on the hands team to begin with, but Bissicia is hardly blameless in this. Melton and McKinney looked like they had no clue of what to do. It's absolutely embarrassing how our special teams have been so bad for so long, and there's never any accountability. We're talking decades here.

You wouldn't have Doubs on the hands team?

[Jopal78]

3 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

That supposed mediocre talented team has essentially clinched their division this morning by sealing what was a 99.1% probability of victory.

And it's the second 95+ such game they've lost in a single season. Post doesn't even make sense.  You're a pretending the 2 seed was some far fetched dream when it is exactly where they should be. 

Literally recover an onside kick with a game your back QB played and without your best defensive player, and they are essentially a clinched 2 seed.

Football is not and never has been decided by individual player ratings. This isn't baseball. You are leaning on a very weak excuse as to why this season unraveled. You're excusing it as a talent problem when every piece of evidence shows that isn't it. 

 

Really? That’s an asinine take. LaFleur coaches these players everyday from July though January. So under your reasoning some weeks he masterminds a game plan and in others weeks he forgets what he’s doing? LOL… Or is it more likely the coaching is consistent and the  players simply don’t execute week in and week out? 
 

Which feeds directly into your second  point, talent wins games, the Packers are an overall roster of mediocre talent:  a few legit star players but 47+ mediocre players. 

[HarryDoyle]

36 minutes ago, homer said:

You wouldn't have Doubs on the hands team?

With his concussion history? No. The onside kick is the most collision play in football. You saw him. He didn't want any part of recovering that ball, and the coaches should not put him in that position.

[LouisEly]

6 hours ago, HarveysWBs said:

I agree with @HarryDoyle about Doubs being on the hands team, and came here to say exactly that: how does a guy with his history get to be in that spot?

I said this before, but I wonder if that was Kraft's spot on the onsides kick team.  Doubs might be the backup.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

39 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Really? That’s an asinine take. LaFleur coaches these players everyday from July though January. So under your reasoning some weeks he masterminds a game plan and in others weeks he forgets what he’s doing? LOL… Or is it more likely the coaching is consistent and the  players simply don’t execute week in and week out? 
 

Which feeds directly into your second  point, talent wins games, the Packers are an overall roster of mediocre talent:  a few legit star players but 47+ mediocre players. 

Then why were they a 99.1% chance to be the 2 seed? The seed you are for some reason pretending was some distant fantasy? Because LaFleur is such a great coach? Someone here is asinine but it's the guy in your mirror. 

I'll give you this, the coaching is definitely "consistent." It's the consistent result one would expect from a HC giving jobs to his friends and letting them keep said jobs.