I haven't read anyone saying the pitching coach didn't matter. Just that there are a lot of reasons for the struggles and that is obvious that Hook is not playing with the same deck as DJ. How good would the Brewers have been last year with Knebel out, Jeffress hurt than ineffective and no Miley? They would have struggled. There are a few pitchers who are definitely pitching better under Hook for whatever reason. There was still people making the exact point just last page, whatever that was, page 65. I don't know how people can think it after this big of a sample. Cincy still holding on at #3 in baseball even after playing in COL last weekend. Side note, maybe there is someone we could poach of TBs staff this offseason. They're operating in the same forward thinking mindset we are trying and of course getting great results. Not necessarily pitching coach as I'm sure they'll value him a lot, but maybe analytics people, who knows. I have said I do t think it as big of deal as people have stated. My point is look at Cincy pitching staff. Their 3-5 starters are all producing right around their career norms. They have not been any better. They same is true for much of their bullpen actually. Gray has definitely improved. He is like the pitcher he was before going to New York. Castillo also took the step forward most people saw coming. So DJ has really helped the top end of the rotation. Some nice moves have solidified the back end of the rotstion but it isn't like their whole team suddenly got better. Really only 3-4 pitchers numbers have improved noticeablely. They just haven't had people fall off/regress which could totally be dj. The question I ask is how much better does Hook look right now if the Brewers bring back Miley (similar type numbers to Gray), add a dependable vet like Roark, and don't have Knebel go down? Again losing DJ hurt but there are just so many factors As for the Brewers starting pitching over each starters last 3 starts only Adrian Houser has given up more than 2 runs (he has done it all 3 times). The biggest issue by far is the bullpen which is low on talent, overworked (maybe in part bc counsel doesn't let guys go deep), and has been hit by injury and regression. This team is one starter short to do what Counsel really wants. If houser could be a multiple inning bullpen guy like Peralta the bullpen would not be quite as taxed by short starts. And then they are one back end of the bullpen guy away from having to pitch Hader multiple innings too often losing him for a whole aeries