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Again, I don't know that QBs are any more ready to start in the NFL today than they ever were... Some will be; some won't be; some won't ever be. I think 3 years is a bit steep to be "the norm". It worked for Rodgers. Love's initial returns aren't very positive. Favre clearly benefited from 1 year. Peyton Manning was ready almost immediately. Each individual will have their own growth curve. Ryan Leaf would never be ready. Nor Manziel. But I don't think it is odd to say a QB could use a year of development and learning before being thrown into the fire of the NFL. It is basically like going from AAA to MLB - the biggest jump. Especially those QBs that are going to play on bad teams (i.e. #1 draft picks). Sitting a year to understand your protection calls is probably a self-preservation move. Lots of QBs make bad habits that derail their development too. My point about not many QBs win the SB on a rookie contract is simply... wining the SB is hard. And it takes a few years of development to be that top echelon to do it. The ones that have are almost always sure fire HOF QBs. So while I don't doubt the logic behind "cheap QB" better chances... the inexperience of that cheap QB normally derails the team's chance at some point.

The bigger, bigger question is what is the probability of next year being a division championship year? Our strong SP window is closed (Burnes being traded, Woody being injured) Our offense needs an overhaul Our current strength is in our youth. So if you think that last season was probably Yelich's future peak (i.e. all downhill from there) and you want to reboot and build around our young core.... and you have an opportunity to move him for future financial flexibility... That is why you trade him.

Wasn't there some odd loophole with us not calling him up that prevented Huira from going into FA? Here is me dreaming about having 2016 Chris Carter at 1B for the Brewers in 2023...

But how is that different than the past? I'd say none frankly. If you draft a 1st round QB, there is huge pressure to start him. The slotted rookie salary cap actually reduced that pressure, but fans still scream to start the next guy if the current guy falters.

But rarely do teams win a SB with a QB on a rookie contract. I think since 2000 it came down to Mahomes and Brady (maybe one more that I'm forgetting). So like 3-4 SBs in 23 years. It makes logical sense (having a cheap QB), but it rarely happens.

Love has a lot of positive qualities - poise in the pocket, strong arm, good speed. But his accuracy was always a concern from his college days. He shows glimpses as to what could be... but just can't get the consistency yet. Very hot and cold at QB. His game time decisions were more of the "unknown" as he simply didn't have a chance. Obviously, he is diagnosing the defense slowly which leads to late decisions and late throws. His first pick was a bad defensive read and his last two were the result of late throws. Every game this season, he has thrown to WRs when they were covered (i.e. late throws) and was lucky to not have INTs then... the table turned last night for him, but he has been making those throws consistently late. It will be interesting to see what improvements can be made as the season goes on. Hopefully the game will slow down and he can start making those reads better. But right now... he is looking a lot like an early Justin Fields.

I've seen this a couple times in this thread and disagree. I think people have forgotten the rookie QB deals of the past before the rookie slotted cap... QBs were signing HUGE deals right out of college; especially if you were a top 10 pick. Teams were forced to play them right away. Just the fact that Love, Mahomes, and Rodgers (perhaps other first round picks too) have the chance to sit for at least the first year shows that QBs are forced to start less than they used to. When the Packer drafted Rodgers and sat him, it was literally unheard of. What evidence is there that QBs are forced to start more now days?

Sure, but what are our realistic chances of getting either one? Garver is a C, so we aren't going to pay $$ to replace Contreras for minimal upgrade (if he is an upgrade). What will Hoskins cost? Can we outbid others? The answer is normally no. It could happen, but it just normally doesn't. Our history of acquiring high OBP and SLG hitters is draft or trade. In recent history, our best FA signings would be: 1) LoCain - mostly defense, high OBP, low SLG 2) Yasmani Grandal - a unique opportunity for a one year deal. High OBP/ med SLG 3) Aramis Ramirez - a end of career guy who was high SLG and OBP initially, but slid to just low-med SLG and very low OBP at the end. That is pretty much it for the last 10 years.

About the same as I predicted in June (well, August) without knowing all that.

Watson should've fought for that ball harder. Falling backwards, but did nothing to try to knock it out. I've said it all along that this year was all about finding out who Love is. Bears fans are still telling us that Fields is "it". I'm not ready to give up on Love, but he is certainly trending the wrong way.

Death and taxes are the only things you can be sure about.

I don't know why or how people thought we were going to have 10 wins and take the division... this clearly was going to be a growth and evaluation year. Love - jury still out, but looking very inconsistent. Likes to make throws to covered WRs WRs - young, talented, lots to learn. Barry defense - failed.

Interesting how cycles go... a few years back, we had too many power bats that struggled to score when we couldn't hit HRs. Now we can hit 3 singles in an inning and still not score. Obviously, the high OBP+ high SLG hitters are rare and in high demand, so I have to assume draft them or trade for them. IMO, high OBP guys come priority over high SLG, but is it better to be leaning one way or try to balance that? Kind of a Frelick vs Adames "type of bat" discussion.

I saw the play once and didn't look close enough to form an opinion, but the Chris-Carter-level of whining the state of MN is doing right now makes me wonder: Do you think it was pass interference vs the Chiefs yesterday? If yes, anything more egregious than we normally see when a homer (or even The @homer) says "That was holding on my guy!!!"? I'm glad I'm working from home today because I'm not sure i could handle the cry-baby level whining I see in social media... woof.

I don't think they should be trading for next year. I think they should be building around the Frelick, Chourio, Gasser, Black, Quero core, which is AA/AAA level. I'd like to maximize the return. Not get a Greg Vaughn return just to fill the MLB with mediocre talent.

I could see this being the year they blow the team up for a rebuild... especially if CC doesn't return as manager, it wouldn't shock me to see an overhaul. In fact, given some of our player values and contract statuses, it might be the wisest thing to do... Trade away: Burnes: I'm pretty sure he is traded whether or not they blow up the team. Woody: Injured; questionable for ST return. Seems like a mid-season trade is the best option. Let him rebuild value first. Adames: Showed some offensive hope at the end of the season. Will return more than 2 RPs this time. Yelich: I think this season represents the best we will see from him now on. If he is ever going to be tradeable again.. it is now. Return won't matter much...getting out of the contract is more the key. Move on: Winkler/Miley/Canha/Chafin/Winkler/Donaldson/Tellez/Winkler (note inclusion of Winkler multiple times was intentional): We just move on here. Some of them have value (Canha/Miley), but not so much in a rebuild. Lauer - Like his SD buddy Urias...just needs a new start. Bridge players (one year contracts) Santana - I have to admit that I just like the way he plays. Not the big bat we need at 1B, but a great guy to be a clubhouse leader. Show the kids how to play. No one close to filling in here yet. Caratini - Good backup player. Bridge to having Quero up in another year. Houser - not sure how many SPs we will have available. Probably more valuable to hold onto than trade. Support staff (as long as they remain cheap) Tyrone Taylor - Value, but mostly a 4th OFer or starter you work to replace. Owens - Another utility guy with some value. Peguero, Rea, Small, Viera, B-Wilson - good/decent pitching depth. The new core (established and young) Contreras - Just highway robbery last year for Ruis... D-Williams - Solid as our closer Freddy - Still growing as a pitcher Payamps, Uribe, Megill, Milner - Pitched enough high leverage innings to be legit to make a very strong BP. The New Crew (the new hope) Frelick, Turang, and Montesario - A big part of next year. Each needs growth, but most likely at the MLB level Wiemer - I love the guy, but needs a bit more time at AAA to work on his swing. Turang could really be included here too. Gasser, Black, Chourio, and Quero - appearances in 2024 or soon after? Ashby - Does he have anything left of the bright spot he was? I'm not saying this is what the Brewers should do, but could do and what it might look like. Major holes would exist in SP and power hitters. But Burnes, Woody, and Adames could bring a pretty strong return. Trading Yellich does allow us to let the OF be managed by the youngsters and perhaps snag a FA 3B/1B to fill a gap. If you don't trade the three now... we risk losing them without any returns. I think we all see that the current roster has some aging and contract concerns amongst the core. And we have a large nucleus of young players coming at us. Might be the right time to hit the reboot button.

Longoria to Brewer fans:

We still had a better 2023 than the Cardinals and Cubs!

Split W L W-L% ERA G GS GF CG SHO SV IP H R ER HR BB IBB SO HBP BK WP BF WHIP SO9 SO/W August 5 0 1.000 2.10 5 5 0 0 0 0 30.0 17 7 7 2 10 0 46 0 1 2 115 0.900 13.8 4.60 Sept/Oct 1 2 .333 3.38 5 5 0 0 0 0 26.2 21 10 10 6 1 0 33 0 0 0 102 0.825 11.1 33.00 Freddy has been strong the last two months of the season!

They could agree on a contract that allows him to recover on the team and then pitch in 2025 (if he is indeed out all of 2024). Arby isn't the only option. Though, I'm getting Jimmy Nelson deja vu all over again.

We are still in the playoffs!

Is that Monica Seles pitching??

I get why not Tellez... but why Winkler??? He has shown nothing this year... and now injured??

There was one view where it was obvious. I saw it almost immediately. There is a slight tweak of the glove and pant leg. Not much, but it was visible.