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Boston was unconscious with their 3s last night. Granted, our D there is still a bit weak. Frankly, I think it was good...leave the Bucks with a bitter taste in their mouths and remind them the playoffs won't be easy.

Hopefully a happy surprise that we still have him then?

Regardless, he will grouse about not ever drafting a 1B in the first round....

What does surprise you? 🤔😅

Yeah, I'm saying let him quick pitch. That will simplify the decisions and remove it from the Ump. You step in the box, and the pitcher can pitch. If you need a second to get set, raise your hand to get set. Sometimes the older, simpler rules are the easier ones. Trying to get too cute with the pitch clock is going too far, IMO.

Meh... that is one item that should be fixed. Used to be the batter just held up his hand (i.e. Braun) to get set. If you are in the box, you are in the box. The pitcher shouldn't be focusing on the catcher and not be worried about if the batter is looking or not.

Hard to know what is real and what is chaff out there, but this seems plausible... 2023 2nd round pick 2024 2nd round pick that can escalate to a first pending Jets playoff situation ...the sticking point is potential 2025 compensation from the Packers to Jets if Rodgers doesn't play in 2024. If that is true, I think the compensation is fair and I'd agree the Pack should hold fast to avoid 2025 contingencies.

So he can play for an owner he agrees with?

I'm hoping there is a contingency for 2 future first round picks if Rodgers plays for the Vikings in 2024. 😂

I think the signing of Miley was kind of brilliant. If you expect Miley to pitch 180 innings, yeah... bad idea. But if you expect to get a 3.50 ERA level pitcher (or 110-130 OPS+ if you prefer) for half those innings, I think it is a steal for $4.5M. I doubt you could find an equivalent pitcher with a high confidence of producing that level for 180 innings at $9M... And then Ashby isn't fully "blocked" either when he comes back mid-season. If by chance Miley can reach 160 innings (he did 2x out of the last 4), that is just gravy....

I think this year will be when we see the real MLF show up. The last years of MM, he just really couldn't change to save his life. Viking CBs were running the WR routes because they saw the same thing so often. I think MLF at least was "fresher" in his creativity. But was the offense on the field because of Rodgers or MLF? Really hard to say. Most likely Love will be more limited in capability than Rodgers (hey, back-to-back-to-back HOF QBs would be awesome, but...), but I'd imagine he'd be more compliant to the game plan than Rodgers would be. Not saying MLF is going to turn into Ried... just saying that I think we will see a more unfiltered MLF offense this year.... good or bad.

There are plenty of good players available at #13 and #15 that I'd want to draft them and and not worry about paying them a 5th year... I'm pretty sure that isn't part of the equation at that point.

Note that the discussion about people moving on from Favre. What happened after he left the team wasn't part of what people thought about him while he was on the team... that stuff hadn't happened yet.

Doh! Yes, you are correct about Clark. I was looking at old data. Regardless there are ways to survive this offseason if we trade Rodgers. This article lists it at $23M. I'm sure the Packers just keep a few of those in their back-pockets in case Rodgers retires/un-retires as some were concerned about. Not enough to do much in FA, but enough to survive. I'm not worried about Gary. He is still young and athletic. I doubt an ACL at this point is too much of an issue. Certainly not the concern they used to be. This always makes me chuckle when I see people suggest this. If you are going to spend draft capitol to get a QB, you want him in the building ASAP to start integrating with the team. There were reports (rumors) that the Packer front office wasn't happy with Rodger's laissez faire attitude towards learning his new WRs this past offseason (I wasn't at least). No one is going to trade for him... then wait to get him. Doesn't help those rookies that the other team would draft (and not sign?) to sit and wait either. And no, they won't just go show up at the other team's facilities either. Lawyers and insurance will prevent that if NFL rules don't. If Rodgers is traded post-June 1, it is going to be an emergency Favre-esque trade for a 4th round pick because we had no other choice. I think many people identified more with Favre than Rodgers. Favre's deer-hunting, wrangler wearing, lawn mower riding, personality seems to fit more with the regular fan than Rodger's more CA-lifestyle type personality. And especially over the past years as he has either changed or let people know more about himself. Or maybe having been through it once with Favre, we are overconfident that we can do it again with Love. Either way, I'm tired of the drama of it all (some generated by Rodgers, MUCH generated by the media). Once I decided that I don't think we can win a SB in the next year or two with Rodgers, I was set on moving on.

There are at least 3 more things the Pack could do to gain more space this year too: restructure Bahk and Clark and extend Gary.

It is oddly similar and amusing. But not nearly as funny as the Bear's QB situation for the last 30 years. 😝😂

If you are running a race, yes. But when you watch Ford and Savage play, one looks significantly faster than the other, despite very close 40 yard dash times. Sure, Branch's 4.58 might make me pause and look deeper at his play speed, but it in a game a player's speed doesn't always align to his dash time. I'd imagine he is still a mid-first round pick. Honestly, I think the 2nd-4th round safety bunch is more interesting to me anyway. I'd rather see a CB, OLB, or TE in the first round. A CB would let them move Douglas to safety. Van Ness' cone and shuttle times (another position were a 40 yard dash means little) have me interested. He and Gary could be giving people fits for a long time.

Especially for a safety, I'd temper the 40 yard dash with his instincts and game speed. Savage ran 4.36 and Ford ran 4.39. Yet, Ford's game speed looks much faster than Savage's.

I used to enjoy the preliminaries to the draft and FA offseason... but last season should teach everyone that 98.73% of what is out there is clickbait. And worse...it isn't even convincing click bait anymore. I think reporters have figured out that volume is good enough and they don't even need a hint of quality to the reporting. People are too gullible and will go read any piece of trash thrown out there. That is Reason #38 that I'm ready to move on from Rodgers...end the drama. Basically where I was the last couple years of Favre too.

Interesting list, but a lot of rose-colored glasses predictions. Any bold negative predictions?

TE is the one area I hope we double dip - draft+FA. We won't have much room to add expensive FAs, but this is probably the best area to use what we have. Hooper is a FA and we went after him in a trade, so perhaps he is a target. Maybe a tR(odgers)ade with LV to bring back Waller? I wouldn't want to see a first/second round TE draft. Maybe like last year's WR - 2nd and 4th or a 1st and 6th. But bringing in a vet plus a high draft pick makes more sense.

Maybe if the hip surgery is successful, he can play safety for us next year. 😂

When it was clear that LambeauLeap.net was dying, I tried a couple other forums. The experience was so awful compared to BF.net that I lobbied to have a dedicated "Other Sports" section created to separate Packers, Badgers, and Bucks stuff from the "Off Topic" section. Having a little among contentment is better than a lot amongst great angst.

The world may never no...

How to address our safety issue.... 1) I'm sure there will be a draft pick...but there is another forum for that. 2) I have a feeling we extend Amos. Not because of his play... but more because his cap hit can be reduced be resigning him. If he comes back at a reduced 2 year, I wouldn't mind. 3) Move Rasul Douglas to safety. I think he actually would be better there. Plus Stokes return and it doesn't seem any of Alexander, Stokes, and Douglas aren't very suited for slot CB. Seems like Savage played better in the slot. 4) Resign Ford. 5) Sign another FA. I'm hoping #1 is a given. #4 is probably fairly likely. #3 would probably be a fall-back option, but I still think it might be best one.