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Machado is very good but not great. Too much money it will take. No thanks.

Fangraphs has been one of the worst things to come to the world of baseball fans. Plenty of people that believe they are the holy answers to everything and the end all of a discussion.

It would be great to do a deal like this that didn't include BOTH Harrison and Erceg. I'm in the camp that see's Erceg as a breakout contender this year and could be the 3B of our future after Shaw.

Perez isn't going anywhere if you listen to interviews with Counsell. Counsell was talking yesterday about how he is in the OF mix and has become the clubhouse leader. Not saying I agree, but I doubt he moves unless someone is willing to overpay for him (which I cannot understand why someone would). Yeah, it is just wishful thinking. With a guy like Counsell we all have to come to the acceptance that the Perez's and Sogard's of the world will have a place to play ball.

Davison and Happ are about the only two reasons I watch this team right now. Davison could be a very fun player to watch grow and get better the next four seasons.

salty...

If adding Whit means the end of Perez, I'm all for it. If not, no thanks.

This is my biggest fear, part of the reason I want as much activity as I do is Hader needs to be in the rotation to start 2018. And we need good pen arms to replace him and Swarzak. The supply is getting thin, and a lot of teams still need relievers. I feel like we aren't going to get any of the high end relievers, and that's annoying. Ditto. Can't even believe we are thinking about keeping Hader in the pen. I really can't. For a team "rebuilding" and for a team that's never had a true "ace", and we aren't going to give this talented arm with his bulldog mentality a crack at becoming just that for us? Really is a shame. It's just the Brewers though. This is what we do. Bad decisions, one after the other mixed in with a couple good ones just to keep us interested.

Meh. This will continue to be a dud of an offseason trying to add Whit. I don't get why this is something we are even thinking about doing. I know getting on base isn't the end all but this guy doesn't do it well either.

Who are some of the players that the Brewers should target in this draft if any at all? I stole this from another list to get it started: mlb Corey Black, RHP, Cubs (No. 19): Black made the move to the bullpen for the first time in 2015. Though he struggles with command, he throws hard and could stick as a reliever if he throws enough strikes with his fastball-slider combination. Onelki Garcia, LHP, White Sox (No. 22): Garcia actually made it to the big leagues in 2013 with the Dodgers. He missed nearly all of '14, then the White Sox claimed him off waivers. He struggled this year, but a lefty who touches 95 mph is often a popular selection. Reymin Guduan, LHP, Astros (No. 16): Speaking of lefties who throw hard, Guduan works regularly in the upper 90s now that he's a reliever full-time. He doesn't always know where it's going, but the fastball-slider combo is intriguing. Teoscar Hernandez, OF, Astros (No. 17): The Astros have six from their top 30 eligible, a testament to how deep their farm system is. Hernandez is a toolshed with an exciting power-speed combination, albeit an unfinished one who needs to work on his approach. Zack Jones, RHP, Twins (No. 23): The Twins have so many hard-throwing relievers in their system, they can't keep them all. Jones is almost entirely all fastball, but it's one that sits in the upper-90s with movement. Luis Perdomo, RHP, Cardinals (No. 11): The 2015 Futures Gamer is another flamethrower, one who is developing as a starter. But if he's put in a bullpen, he can run his fastball into the upper 90s, with a hard breaking ball and even a feel for a changeup. T.J. Rivera, SS, Mets (No. 26): Though he may not be as exciting as a pitcher who can approach triple digits, all Rivera has done in the Minors is hit. He carries a career .318 average and .366 on-base percentage through five Minor League seasons, and he's seen considerable time at all four infield positions. Sam Selman, LHP, Royals (No. 27): The former Vanderbilt standout and second-round pick struggled as a starter when he started moving up the ladder, so the Royals moved him to the bullpen. He can touch 97 mph and his slider shows flashes of being a plus pitch, but he struggles finding the strike zone. Dwight Smith, OF, Blue Jays (No. 13): Perhaps the choice as next year's DeShields, if only because he is also the son of a former big leaguer. He has shown an ability to hit for average and draw walks, albeit without much power. Alberto Tirado, RHP, Phillies (No. 14): Part of the return from the Blue Jays for Ben Revere, Tirado gave up just one earned run in 16 innings following the trade. He struck out 16 and held opponents to a .130 batting average, but he also walked 18. He's yet to pitch above Class A Advanced, but if he can harness his upper-90s fastball, he has a chance.

Apples to oranges. NFL is set up so you can draft players who have a very high impact on your team that upcoming season.

He sure didn't know the value of Stanton. Man would I be upset if the Brewers had traded Fielder (Giancarlo) and Hart (Ozuna) around 2009 for the return the Marlins got. Well the other option was to let Ozuna walk 2 years from now after 70 win seasons and then be paying Giancarlo Stanton $30+ million/year for the next 8 years after that after he crosses the age of 30. Exactly. Apples to oranges comparison. The Brewers were competing with Hart and Fielder (and now having hindsight, we probably should have looked to move Prince the season before we lost him. We played roulette on that with trying to win and lost). The Marlins don't have anymore payroll to try to go out and contend. Maybe if their ace hadn't of died in a boating accident, this team would be moving towards building for a championship but they just aren't close. They are trying to hit the "reset" button and start fresh.

I think you can lose patience and want them to make moves while still realizing that this is a process and that there is a long offseason yet to go.

Jeter knows the value of Yelich.

True, but it's December 13, 2017 and opening day is March 29, 2018 I'm anxious too, and it's made worse by the Cubs and Cardinals making headlines. I just have to constantly remind myself (or have my wife remind me) not to get too worried. The Brewers will make some moves that will help out the team. Yep. I am in complete agreeance. Just replying a remark about a post of mine that really didn't need to happen. That's all.

You called it a dud which means failure or unsatisfactory. Groundwork is oftentimes laid at these meetings and the trade comes later. Just because there isn't a headline now does not in any way mean nothing is getting done. "Winter meetings continue to be a dud." This isn't a bad take considering we haven't done anything. Again, it all can change but so far our divisional opponents have gotten better and we have, well... done nothing really.

With the Marlins dumping Stanton AND Ozuna, can we assume that they might be even more willing to move Yelich now? If we do end up trading Santana, we could move in on Yelich and still have a very good OF.

NL Central just got better. This is a nice get for the Cardinals. I doubt they are done either.

[sarcasm]You're right. I'll just patiently wait for a Feliz-type signing to bolster our bullpen up a bit.[/sarcasm]

Huh? I didn't realize winter meetings were the only place to make a deal. Where did I say that it was? Nothing I said was at all permanent.

It has the feeling (depending on how the Brewers season shakes out) that I could have the very same feelings about Stearns and his ability to build a bullpen as I did this previous season. Like someone else mentioned, he's reactionary rather than proactive in going out and getting players. Winter meetings continue to be a dud.

Stashing Arod on my IR list in both my fantasy leagues could pay off huge. Won the opening round of my playoffs with McCown getting -3 points. Might even put Jordy back in the starting lineup. He's been benched since Rodgers went down.

You have to look at it in more than a one-year time frame. I understand that keeping Hader in the pen might be better for the 2018 Milwaukee Brewers. However, if he is put in the rotation, throws around 150 innings, and continues to develop he will be far more valuable over his time as a Brewer as a starter than as a reliever. Yes. It would be very shortsighted of the Brewers to use Hader in the pen in 2018 only because he makes them better next year when they could have a young, controllable stud, atop their rotation for the next few years if they put him in the rotation. I know I've repeated myself but to not test the waters with this guy is a huge, huge mistake on their part if it does happen.

If we could get the Dbacks to include money let’s say enough to make it so we are paying $20-25 per year, I’d be okay with the move. He’s been good for so long and we know he’s a fit in Milwaukee.

[sarcasm]Move Shaw to 1B and flip Thames for Archer.[/sarcasm]