Jopal78

You saw Small pitch this last year, right? But for a major improvement, he’s not a major league pitcher. The fact they gave journeyman Jason Alexander 70+ innings ahead of Small says a lot.

I guess I was thinking between Suter, Boxberger and Gott that’s 170+ innings from three quality relievers. That will be a tall order to cover those innings and maintain the status quo. Seems like they’re stacking the deck against themselves to get better in the pen with jettisoning these arms.

With being out on waivers and claimed by Colorado he goes right to his final year of arbitration with no risk of taking a pay cut. The Brewers probably figured he would get claimed and were doing right by him after they had decided to move on.

With the exodus of relief pitchers they’re creating a lot of innings that will need to be covered.

Ok, I could be more specific: there is not a lot of surplus value in Suter, as the Brewers were not able to trade him. That is not to say there was no interest in Suter, as he was claimed by a 94 loss team near the top of the waiver priority.

They must not have been able to trade him for anything, which I suppose goes to show that despite a solid stat sheet, his projected pay was more than his perceived worth. Hell of a 31st round draft pick though.

But yet you do, and it's hilarious to tweak you.

You probably shouldn't post things "right of the top of your head" because you're mis-remembering the facts. Adames debuted for the Rays half way through May in '18, played 3 games, then went back to AAA. Adames didn't come up for good until mid-June in '18, and even then he split time at SS with Adeiny Hechavarria until early August when Hechavarria was traded away. Not even Adames was handed a job, and if you take a look at the stat sheet Adames was a significantly better hitter in the minors than Turang has been to this point. AAA--.777 to .756 AA -- .802 to .715 A+ -- .721 to .615 A -- .790 to . 760

I'm curious, have you seen Wiemer play? I haven't, but from the stat sheet he's listed as 6'5" and 215lbs, that is way bigger than Sosa, (6'0", 165 lbs), and an all together different body type than Greg Vaughn (6'0", 195 lbs), and is lithe compared to Corey Hart 6'6", 240 lbs. If not from in person observation, are your comparisons based on the minor league stat sheets and photos? Because in his first 2000 PAs in the major leagues Sammy Sosa had an OPS of .704, and wasn't really a good hitter in the minors either. Greg Vaughn was a terrific hitter in the minor leagues .295/.391/.569 which is significantly better than Wiemer's .274/.367/.506 and Vaughn was almost exclusively a left fielder. With Corey Hart, the minor league slash is similar .296/.355/.498, but Hart was seemingly a better athlete having played 1B, 3B, LF, CF and later RF as a farm hand. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just wondering what lead you to draw the conclusions you did.

Talk about moving goalposts! Not even Justin Tucker could score on you. Anyways, time will tell. It’s a good problem to have when you have more good players than spots available. As of right now there’s likely not a GM in baseball trying to win, that would hand Turang a spot based on what he’s done to date. If Turang hits with an .800 plus OPS in AAA he’ll probably be in the majors sooner than later. But they’re wise to simply not hand a spot to him right now for the reasons articulated previously.

Yep, three months out of six in AAA this year, and basically 3 months out of 5 years in the minors. You’re right he’s really shown them! Seems like there’s a lot of “buts”… His season numbers aren’t great BUT he was awesome for three months. BUT he was young for his league etc. Without the BUTs he sure hasn’t forced the Brewers hand.

Reportedly they shopped Wong at the deadline this year. Obviously they didn’t find anything to their liking, because he wasn’t traded. I don’t think his trade market will suddenly change in a few months. Rather, 8 million dollars is bargain rate for a starting caliber player in the major leagues today, and Wong has a long track record as a quality player. His value comes from being a quality starter on a cut rate contract. Thus, the Brewers could move him as part of a larger deal because of that value, I just don’t see the Brewers picking up his option to actively shop him.

I didnt write that he has to hit like those players, rather those guys we’re “can’t miss prospects” which Turang certainly is not. But my point is: Turnag hasn’t necessarily dominated AAA pitching where there are no Verlanders, Kershaws etc. As the posters here point out he apparently did show some developing power in late summer ‘22, therefore why bring him up at all until he shows he can consistently take apart AAA pitching and is fortified to go against the best every night in the major leagues?

I guess my point is: Turang isn’t Gunnar Henderson or Anthony Volpe, where they’re planning a team with them in it long term. With Turang most “experts” write he has average offensive tools with potential for more and is a speed, defense player. Why clear the decks for a player of that caliber, until he takes his game to another level and forces their hand? Realistically what does a .AAA 760 OPS shortstop project to in the big leagues: .720-.730? Seems like a case of the Brewers not having many blue chippers and he’s a known name, former first rounder in AAA hence the hype.

But why? Aren't his numbers overall kind of mediocre, and that is against AAA pitching where there aren't any Kershaws, Sherzers, Verlanders, etc. .286/.360/.412

But has he really, or is this more of a situation where the cupboard is relatively bare, and he's a former first round pick who has reached AAA? For what its worth Orlando Arcia had better numbers in AAA in more games and plate appearances. It doesn't seem to me Turang is one of those "can't miss" prospects like Churio, or Fielder, Braun etc., so I don't get why he wouldn't have to force their hand onto the 26 man in the first place... like Trent Grisham in '19 and Ronnie Belliard in '98 etc.

I don’t want to rain on your fantasy parade about Wendy. She would have been 32 when Molitor left. Maybe she was running a MLB team behind the scenes at that age with no experience, but I doubt it. As for Vargas, the Brewers are probably a few years too late. The pre-arbitration extensions are few and far in between since Albies and Acuna signed their deals (wonder why).

Wendy Selig-Prieb didn't become the Brewers Team President until '98-- Molitor's last year in the majors. The Brewers were terrible for years before she even got there. As a 38 year old, who's dad owned the team I'm not so sure how much autonomy she really had running the organization anyways. Back on topic, these trade ideas are fun to think about but, handing Vargas an 82 million dollar guarantee with basically no major league experience doesn't make much sense for Milwaukee. They could probably sign Anthony Rizzo for that much money and be better off in the short run, and the long run.

They'll eventually trade all three because none of them is likely forgo their free agency at this point to sign an extension no matter who employs them (Chris Bassitt at 34 years old just declined a 19.5 million dollar option for free agency, so I don't necessarily buy that Woodruff will take an extension because he's 'older' either). Frankly, the Dodgers don't really trade away their blue chip prospects for veterans unless they're already blocked by someone else on their roster. Jeter Downs was regarded as #44 on the top 100 prospects list but was blocked by Corey Seager at the time he was traded for Betts. Keibert Ruiz was blocked by Will Smith. Josiah Gray was behind Dustin May, Tony Gonsolin and the their other major league starting pitchers. The notion of them trading away multiple pitching prospects to get a pitcher doesn't make a lot of sense given their history in building a roster. In fact, the Dodgers would be ahead to simply non-tender Cody Bellinger (18.1 million projected for '23), decline their club option on Justin Turner (16 million club option for '23) and redistribute that 34 million dollars in an attempt to resign Kershaw or whomever else they prefer, then plug in those same young players into their own major league roster. That is the pipeline working and how they stay on top year after year.

No surprise it’s a bear market for Brewer major leaguers and a bull market on prospects. If the Brewers were going to trade either of Burnes or Williams it means the long rebuild with likely some tanking is here. If so, they’d absolutely do better shipping them off in separate deals than together in a package.

Holy cow, I agree with you. Although I would add Baltimore probably isn't willing to trade any of their primo prospects for Corbin Burnes, which in turn would negate the point of trading him to Baltimore.

I don't know, but I kind of doubt it. In terms of WAR (according to Baseball Reference) the Brewers have gotten 7.1 WAR of value from Adames. The Rays have gotten 6.6 WAR from Rasmussen and Feyereisen, but have each of those guys through 2026. Absent injuries the WAR from Rasmussen and Feyereisen in TB will be > than Adames' WAR with Milwaukee. It would be the same with the Dodgers, Adames is a fine player but two MLB ready top 100 prospects and a third player to boot likely ends up with significantly more WAR going to Milwaukee. If a team is desperate to plug a hole I could see it, but that isn't how the Dodgers do business. If they believe those two guys can play, they'll plug Pepiot and Vargas into their roster and simply sign someone to play SS.

I like this blue print as I do think the Brewers will make some major changes to last year's group. However, I don't think Milwaukee would get 2 major league ready top 100 prospects (Vargas and Pepiot) plus a third player for Willy Adames. If they could they should pull the trigger on that trade every single time (6 years of WAR from Vargas and Pepiot most likely > than 2 years of Adames). From the Dodgers perspective, it doesn't make them better in the short run or the long run especially when they could simply sign Correa and keep the prospects. Also Sixto Sanchez has not pitched at all in two years due to shoulder injuries. I don't think any team would take on a player with that kind of red flag.

Pretty harsh assessment of Kolten Wong to justify the $5-$8 million estimate. Seems bearish especially when even very mediocre free agents are getting 8+ million per.

Who is he answerable to? Certainly not the 4th year head coach, and certainly not the GM and Team President who bent over backwards crushing their cap situation and trading for Rodgers' washed up friends just to make him happy. The Packers are reaping what they sowed with Rodgers and his attitude. The media doesn't help either by baiting him because nothing get clicks and eyeballs like controversy. The '22 Packers have had some bad luck this year on offense. They have trotted out a different combination of offensive lineman for every game this year. Due to injuries they've started 8 different players on the OL: Bakhtiari, Jenkins, Myers, Runyan, Nijman, Jenkins, Hanson, Tom. Their two best offensive lineman are both coming off reconstructive knee surgeries and together have missed 5 of the 8 games this year. More probably true than not, the struggles of the offensive line are largely responsible for the short comings of the offense. Contrary to the media, I think they will be fine at WR. But for Cobb all the Packers receivers have above average speed for the position (4.4 or better). Plus, I don't think the scheme suddenly got stale in the off season. It's the protection or lack thereof leading to a lot of contested catches, etc. All receivers are going to have drops. The fact of the matter is Romeo Doubs is having a fine rookie season. He has caught 61.2% of passes targeted to him. That is better than Adams as a rookie (57.6%), as well as Jordy Nelson (61.1%), James Jones (58.8%) and MVS (52.1%) as rookies. Doubs' numbers are actually similar to Drake London yet London was taken 124 spots ahead of Doubs. If anything there have been a lot of expectations heaped on Doubs despite being a 4th round pick from Nevada. Who knows what to make of Amari Rodgers? He was a force in college while playing against the best in the SEC. He's a disaster as a returner but has done well on offense with the Packers when he gets the ball in his hands which hasn't been very often for whatever reason. The receiving corps has also been busted up with injuries. Christian Watson essentially missed most of camp and now 4 games of the season, Sammy Watkins missed 4, Lazard has missed at least 1, and Cobb missing at a minimum four games. The injuries further stress the young receivers having to not only learn their route trees, but also having to shift into different roles (X, Z etc.) with different routes. I don't blame the Packers for not adding a wide receiver yesterday via trade. Depending how you look at it, they've spent two 2nds, a 3rd, 4th and 7th on wide receivers in the last two drafts and none of them have yet to play enough to truly know what they have.