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https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/free-agent-tracker For 3B, it looks like: - Justin Turner (3.1 proj. WAR) - Maikel Franco (1.1) - Travis Shaw (0.8) - Brad Miller (0.7) - Jake Lamb (0.7) - Marwin Gonzalez (0.6) - Hanser Alberto (0.6) - Todd Frazier (0.6) - Asdrubel Cabrera (0.6) - Jedd Gyorko (0.5) - Eric Sogard (0.3) - Joe Panik (0.3) - Renato Nunez (0.3)

I can agree with that 100%. I don't think it's the end of the world if there isn't a big splash coming (I think we'll be competitive within the division as-is even if we're not a World Series threat), but we're definitely all starved for something exciting to happen.

Is that narrative really accurate or necessary? What leads you to believe that 'they need to get their act together'? C'mon man... This is a message board for fans. I can rephrase that if you want. "once they decide what they want to do." Is that better? The problem is this is insinuating they don't know what they want to do. They very likely know exactly what they want to do, have discussed offers with free agents and other teams, have negotiations/discussions ongoing, are waiting on counter offers, players/teams are waiting for dominos to fall before moving on to plan B and C, etc. Just because they haven't signed anyone doesn't mean they're wasting time and don't know what they want to do.

Exactly my point, lol. So spending money on Braun, Yelich, Cain, Moustakas, A-Ram, etc. don't count arbitrarily in your book.

I'd love to have Turner, just not necessarily at $18-20M (which is a bit more than people are expecting). And I would have really hated spending $18-20M on Semien. It seems like you chose that range just to help prove MA hasn't signed off on as many players as he has, not because that's how much it would cost to improve the team.

2020 - Extends Yelich for 7 yrs, $188.5M 2019 - Signs Grandal for $18.25M (w/ buyout) 2018 - Signs Cain for 5 yrs, $80M 2011 - Extends Braun for 5 yrs, $105M Also, I'm not sure you should be happy if they paid $18-20M for a player like Semien of Turner right now...

Updating this list from earlier: A lot of guys going of the board tonight, but so far that only includes 2 of the 13 listed above.

I don't expect a huge signing, but everything is more relative to how many free agents have signed and what other teams have done than it is to what month we happen to be in. I'll repeat this from earlier in the thread: This is a nice resource: https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/free-agent-tracker If you sort by projected WAR, you'll find: - 13 of the top 23 players are still unsigned (two players took the QO) - This includes Marcus Semien, Justin Turner, Joc Pederson, and Tommy La Stella who could be considered for 1B/3B positions - 14 of the 25 players ranked 26-50 are still unsigned - This include Maikel Franco who could be considered for a 1B/3B position - 17 of the 25 players ranked 51-75 are still unsigned - This include Travis Shaw, Jake Lamb, Marwin Gonzalez, and Todd Frazier who could be considered for 1B/3B positions - 19 of the 25 players ranked 76-100 are still unsigned - This include CJ Cron, Asdrubel Cabrera, Brad Miller, and Jedd Gyorko who could be considered for 1B/3B positions So 63 of the top 98 free agents are still unsigned, and that includes 13 1B/3B types that are still available. Add to that: - Only 7 teams have signed a top 25 free agent - Only 14 teams have signed a top 50 free agent - Only 16 teams have signed a top 75 free agent - Only 18 teams have signed a top 100 free agent And of the 35 players in the top 100 free agents that have signed, only one has gone to a NL Central team (Tyler Heinemann to the Cardinals... not a huge difference maker...). So only 60% of the league has signed a top 100 free agent at this point and almost 2/3rds of the top 100 free agents are still available. It's a weird, slow offseason, but there are still a lot of players still unsigned and it's not like other teams (especially in the NL Central) have separated themselves from the Brewers this offseason. If the Brewers can even make a minimal splash and grab two players in the list above, they'll be ahead of the curve in the "offseason race" (heck Daniel Robertson has them ahead of the Cubs, Red, and Pirates already, lol, and arguably ahead of the Cardinals too when you factor in their potential losses of Wong, Molina, and Wainwright).

This is a nice resource: https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/free-agent-tracker If you sort by projected WAR, you'll find: - 13 of the top 23 players are still unsigned (two players took the QO) - This includes Marcus Semien, Justin Turner, Joc Pederson, and Tommy La Stella who could be considered for 1B/3B positions - 14 of the 25 players ranked 26-50 are still unsigned - This include Maikel Franco who could be considered for a 1B/3B position - 17 of the 25 players ranked 51-75 are still unsigned - This include Travis Shaw, Jake Lamb, Marwin Gonzalez, and Todd Frazier who could be considered for 1B/3B positions - 19 of the 25 players ranked 76-100 are still unsigned - This include CJ Cron, Asdrubel Cabrera, Brad Miller, and Jedd Gyorko who could be considered for 1B/3B positions So 63 of the top 98 free agents are still unsigned, and that includes 13 1B/3B types that are still available.

More Yelich trade talk.... Honestly I just don't see us trading him, I mean we just signed the dude to a huge contract then not even a year later we're gonna trade him... What was the point in the extension then? Wasn't advocating it or saying I thought it was anything other than a *crazy* possibility to explain the continuing reports of possible interest in outfielders. BUT, *if* you were able to get something for him, they might be in a much better spot moving forward downgrading a bit with Ozuna instead of Yelich in the lineup, adding whatever they get in return for Yeli, plus that whole additional $150M thing. That said, I think the reason the reports keep popping up are, in order of most likely, 1.) due diligence that leads to nothing, 2.) DS preparing in case the DH is coming to the NL, 3.) DS willing to shift players around on the field to make another OF fit, 4.) either Garcia or Cain on the move, or waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down the list 5.) Yeli getting traded.

This is a good reminder, he really does seem to do his due diligence, but part of that is also due to the fact he isn't afraid to think outside the box (ie. obtaining Moustakas when we already had Shaw... before Shaw fell off a cliff). Combining the Ozuna report with the interest in Joc Pederson reported earlier in the offseason, it does seem like DS is at least open to either 1.) a trade of Cain or Garcia, or 2.) playing someone who's generally thought of as an outfielder at 1st. Or he's just very certain the DH is still coming to the NL. Or there's some crazy Yelich trade coming that absolutely no one sees.

I think there are a lot of fans that would tune in hoping to watch Brady *lose* the Super Bowl. I know personally, when I don't have a clear horse in the race, I love having a villain to root against and Brady would bring that for a lot of fans across the country. Add to that the storyline of him parting ways with Belichick and taking the Buccaneers there in his first year, just cementing another reason he's the greatest QB of all time, I don't see how Brady in the Super Bowl wouldn't be a ginormous win for the NFL. But that said, let's knock that guy out on Sunday and make this all a moot point! GO PACKERS!

2017-2020 vs. RHP (made sure to go back to 2017 to make sure it at least included the last time Lamb had a season with an OPS over .676...): 2017-2020 vs. LHP: As noted, I did Lamb a favor by including 2017, otherwise Vogelbach crushes him in the past 3 seasons against righties (not to mention he's 2 years younger as well). That said, I wouldn't mind throwing him in the mix if he can be had on the cheap and we also pick up someone like Gyorko to handle the lefties. Of course, ideally, we obtain a couple better everyday players for 1B and 3B, but my expectations are pretty low and we need *some* bodies to throw against the wall this Spring.

Cool, so they're $1.35M better off than those high estimates. [sarcasm]Maybe they can bring Sogard back![/sarcasm]

We have very different definitions of "nothing to really show for it". I'd love to tack on a championship someday, but overall, the last decade plus has been a very enjoyable time period to be a Brewer fan for me. Since 2007, the Brewers have had the 10th most wins in MLB and 5th most in the NL, that's unbelievable considering the financial disadvantage they have.

Links always aid the conversation. I'm guessing this is the thread this may be referring to? and this one:

It didn't work last year, but I wouldn't go so far as to say it "proved" we can't win filling holes that way. It certainly didn't help to have a shortened season going with that approach. A major problem with the "see what sticks" approach is you need to use in-season time to figure out who's sticking and who's flopping and if you only have 60 games to do it, that's going to waste a much larger percentage of at bats in the process. In a normal season we would have had 102 more games where we would have been settled on using Gyorko instead of Sogard/etc., and Vogelbach instead of Smoak/Morrison. On the flip side, we may have also given Holt a longer leash and maybe he would have been a bigger contributor as the season went on. But really, the biggest problem was not getting enough production out of our good players. If Yelich plays like an MVP, Hiura plays like an All-Star, Cain doesn't opt out, Urias doesn't get injured and then have COVID issues, and Garcia and Narvaez just have average offensive seasons, the failed filler signings don't look as ugly. I would definitely like to see a couple stable pickups for 1B/3B in the next month, but I'm not concerned about what they've done to this point.

[sarcasm]For all those complaining about the Brewers' slow offseason[/sarcasm]

I think everyone agrees with that and it doesn't need to be stated in every thread. I think everyone also needs to adjust to the fact that 1.) offseason signings happen later and later every year, and 2.) this offseason with all the uncertainty with COVID and rules and attendances is making things especially slower. Of the top 100 free agents according to projected WAR, only 20 have signed so far. And only 13 teams have signed one of those free agents (https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/free-agent-tracker). I don't think the Brewers are going to sign anyone that's going to knock our socks off, but I'm hoping for a couple okay signings to fill 1B and 3B and perhaps a veteran SP signing. Once they sign someone that actually seems like they're meant to get significant playing time, that will be a good time to discuss how underwhelming they are, but it seems unnecessary bringing it up on all these filler signings. Now all that said, if pitchers and catchers report and Pablo Reyes is our big offseason acquisition, I'm right there with ya, but as of now this all feels very premature and exhausting.

I like the idea of taking a chance on his talent, but I'm not sure where he fits on this team and he only has one year of control beyond this season, so he's not necessarily a long term solution. He's also making $6.6M this year, and with our speculated financial situation that might leave very little to address more immediate needs.

Because Vogelbach can't/shouldn't be our 1B in 2021, if we want to compete. They might actually make a nice platoon pair if you can get him on the cheap... 2018-20 vs. RHP: 2018-20 vs. LHP:

And in those 28 years only 3 teams had more Super Bowl victories than the Packers and 25 teams had fewer Super Bowl victories than the Packers. It's difficult to win the Super Bowl, not all HoF quarterbacks get to have the Tom Brady experience.

Well considering we already had him on a team friendly deal from his age 26-30 seasons, the extension is really for his age 31-36/37 seasons. I'm happy to have him on the team long term, but this deal has the potential to look really bad in hindsight...

Tack on that Hader's estimated to make $5.65M this year with significant increases each of the next two years after that, those options may cost less financially as well. I just wouldn't be desperate enough to give anything up for him if I was another team right now. You're better off starting the season with what you got and see if there's a need. Then *if* your bullpen is failing *and* Hader hasn't fallen off a cliff, *maybe* you overvalue him enough at the trade deadline to make an offer the Brewers will pull the trigger on. Even then, that's going to be hard for the Brewers to do *if* they're competing for a playoff spot. But we'll see!

And NOW they're back to showing the game.