jay87shot

Well done everyone, only a couple oddball things here or there but nothing worth arguing. Is the 1st post the cumulative results?

Here is like my 8th offseason proposition 1) Devin to Texas for 2B/3B Justin Foscue and P Winston Santos 2)Trade Black and Peguero for Jesus Luzardo 3) Trade Rae and Wilson to Boston for P Elmer Rodriguez-Cruz and P Jedixson Paez 4) Trade Chad Patrick, Tate Kuehner, and Dylan O'Rae for P Pete Fairbanks 5) Sign 1B Carlos Santana 1/5 Trade Hoby and Bauers for whatever we can get 1)2B Turang 2)C Contreras 3)DH/LF Yeli 4)LF Chourio 5)CF Mitchell 6)1B Hoskins 7)LF Sal 8)SS Ortiz 9) 3B Foscue Bench) Haase, Santana, Perkins, Mone/Collins/Dunn Sal plays a bunch of 3B letting Yeli play some OF and Santana plays the Bauers role letting Hoskins DH more. Peralta, Woody, Luzardo, Myers, Civale, Ashby 6 man rotation the 1st month or so than onto a 5 man once Woody, Luzardo, and Ashby are fully built up as starters. Maybe you have Ashby and Hall just piggy back a bit but either way. Megill, Fairbanks, Payamps, Koenig, Hudson, 2 of Yoho/Hall/Mears/Uribe That is a pen with 6 or 7 potential 7-9 inning relievers

I agree that early in the count he needs to be hunting 2B's at least and some more HR will happen. No weak 2 hoppers on 0 or 1 strike counts. His 2 strike approach is fine, but he needs more than 28 xbh. Both Frelick and Turang should be 35 2B guys with their speed.

Mead, Julian, Baty, Nolan Gorman, Jordan Walker, Spencer Torkelson, Vaughn Grissom, Noelvi Marte among IF Edward Cabrera, Emerson Hancock probably more pitchers but can't think of any more of the top of my head.

If he was cheap but I doubt the Rockies eat any salary. He strikes out a ton and hitting only .240 at Coors means like .220 elsewhere. I am not against it but I would part with anything major.

My offer would be Peguero, Wilken, and a reliever like Justin Yeager. I like Baty but with no options he isn't the most surefire thing.

I say pass, the talent makes it intrueing but he struck out 141 time in 393 ab's the risk is to big. He is a decent OF but basically average, so on that end it is a downgrade. On top of that, he has his own injury history problems. Frelick and Mitchell (with Perk as a safety net) are much safer options in my opinion with their own upside and cost a lot less and no prospects. I would think the White Sox would still want 3 very nice pieces. If I am paying 3 prospects for a guy I would go after a young 3rd/2nd baseman, Brent Rooker, or quality starter instead.

Williams is in line for a 5/100 style deal like Hader and Diaz. Unless he gets hurt or stinks he will decline the QO. The things is it doesn't matter, when trade negotiating you saw we want 1 piece that is a comp. pick value because that is what you will get back and then 1/2 more pieces that is worth a year of a top 3 closer. There will be way more than enough teams that a couple will give the additional QO value. I've said this a couple times the minimum value is what we got for Hader, 2 top 10 org. prospects. It might be tough to get consensus top 100 prospect like Ortiz but it is doable.

What are we thinking are the top 3 teams that would go for Devin? I think 1)Rangers 2)Red Sox 3)Yankees but there are really like 6 teams that could go hard. It should at least drive his value to about what we got for Hader (remember Hader had 1.5 years but an era of 5+). I like the Rangers and Red Sox farm systems matching up best if we are looking for prospects. I think the Yankees, Phillies, and a couple of the other bigger market teams might be easiest to suck into a bidding war.

If we can keep everyone healthy next year and get a good defense IF, I don't think it wouldn't be crazy to have GG finalist at all positions except 1st and maybe P. I think Mitchell, Frelick, Chourio, Perkins, and Turang could all be around +20 run defensive guys if they can play 140+ games at 1 spot. Nuts

Does Turang have a shot at a platinum glove? I know a couple AL players had high drs but I think Turang had the most in the NL. Is there 1 platinium for each league or is it just 1 league wide?

I wouldn't do any of those I guess. I was thinking along these lines Black, Wichrowski, Manfredi for Walker Freddie for Mayo straight or Williams and like Boeve/Wilken/Adams Devin and like Monesario, Bryse Wilson, or top 20-30 prospect for Bohm

The Phillies benched Bohm in the playoffs for Sosa, not really anything suggesting he will be traded. I brought up the idea a couple days ago as a what if. My thought was that Trea Turner has been a bad defensive SS, if they don't want to move Stott to SS maybe Turner would try 3rd and they could trade us Bohm and fill the free agent relief holes. Sosa can play SS or 3B or they could go after a FA.

Yeesh, Wilken come on man. I think I had Wilken like 12th and Baez like 24th in my prospect rankings. I kind of am thinking I should have switched them.

Just some random thoughts of the day thinking about 3B Any thoughts on Jordan Walker still being able to play 3B (1B). He is a terrible OF but was blocked by Arenado and Goldy. There is still big potential there, maybe a Walker for Black based deal? Or does St. Lois just move him to 1B with Goldy gone. Could we build a mlb package that is enticing enough for Baltimore to trade Colby Mayo? I honestly would think about trading Freddy to get Mayo. Would Williams and Sal get us close to Mayo? Could Alec Bohm be a target if the Phillies want Devin? Bohm was benched in the playoffs and struggled at theend of the year. Add in that Trea Turner should no longer be a SS. Bohm has 2 years of control and would be a nice get.

With Mitchell and Yeli injury issues and Sal and Perk not being top notch bats (lack of power) I wouldn't trade anyone. When one of the guys hits arbitration and costs a little more ok, especially since Lara and Yophery will be close by then. The only way I would trade Sal, Perk, or Mitchell is for a top tier pitcher like Crochet, Alcantara, McClanahan and that is assuming the rest of the package isn't crazy.

I said it wasn't realistic. I do think the value of the relievers is higher than some people think, I agree the at least 2 of those were trash I just threw in to add comp picks. I threw Bauers in somewhere without thinking of other teams 1B. I think Peguero and Payamps could/should get at least comp b (end of 2nd round value). The last 2 years Peguero had a 3.38 and 2.98 era (1.4 WAR combined) and Payamps 2.55 and 3.05 eras (2.7 WAR). I get advanced stats haven't been as good an if you actually watched Peguero he was a disaster with inherited runners. That being said each guy has quality stuff with cheap controllable years (2 Payamps, 4 Peguero). There are plenty of recent deals of similar reliever who gotten much more than a comp pick. Even guys like Wilson (2.4 WAR last 2 years) and Hoby (2.2 WAR 22/23) could have surprising value if Arnold finds the right buyer. Hunter Harvey 1.5 years of control for Cayden Wallace and comp a pick (1 week from draft) Luis Garcia .5 years of control for 4 prospects, none huge but 4 solid guys Gregory Soto 1.5 years of control for Seth Johnson and Moises Chace Mark Leiter 2.5 Jack Neeley and Ben Cowles Yimi Garcia .5 yeas, Jonathan Clase and Jacob Sharp We give up 2 solid prospects for Nick Mears and I would say each have more value than Mears and his 6ish era. (I still have faith in getting Mears fixed). Don't underestimate what we can get for solid relievers. I would say Peguero is similar to Soto with more control and Payamps is around Harvey (Royals overpaid). I like the idea of Corbin as a reliever on a minor league deal and with my situation of trading away like 6/7 arms we would likely sign 2/3 minor league guys. Basically Corbin's fastball has been trash but his slider is still solid, if he is in the bullpen maybe be can get back to 93/95 and become a 2/3 pitch guy. As a minor league singing there is almost no risk.

I don't mind Frelick at 3rd for a bit. I feel like he would be a better 2B with the range probably helping. I don't see him playing everyday (like 50 games max) but I like the idea that we can open up some OF time. I still think Sal will be a 280/350/400 type hitter but maybe we should hope for 40 2B and 10 HR as a high mark. If he does well maybe he platoons with Boeve or Wilken down the road and let's them DH. Especially if Lara, Yophery, or another OF has an exceptional year and gets close by next year.

Agree, I would protect Smith, if I was another club I would pick up Smith. It might be hard to keep him on a big league roster all year. I would rather protect Smith and lose a guy like Herget, Zas, or Bauk if need be.

I am just looking for a cheap top of the rotation arm on a 1/2 year deal. I like Beiber because we have some depth as insurance and he was exceptional the couple starts he did make this year. You could probably swap in half a dozen other 1 year type starters instead. I am fine with keeping Civale just thinking we could use that money (with Rea and Williams trade) to get a higher potential arm. I feel like we should have a couple starters for the playoffs we are confident enough in to give us more than 4 innings.

OK this isn't realistic but I call this the 2025 draft offseason. I don't know which teams are Comp a or b so some trade either take off a little or add a little. 1)Devin to Detriot for P Jaden Hamm and a Comp pick 2)Black to Tampa for Austin Shenton and Comp pick. 3)Peguero to Miami for Comp pick 4)Rea to Colorado for Comp pick P Luis Peralta (Freddie's brother) 5)Civale, Bauers to KC for Comp pick 6)Payamps to Minny for Comp pick and P Adrian Boroquez 7)Hoby, Wilson to CWS for Comp. pick 8) Sign the best 1/2 year pitcher we can get Scherzer, Verlander, Eovaldi, Buehler, Beiber, (team options for some) 9) Sign Joe Ross 1/4 and Yoan Moncada 1/5, Patrick Corbin 1/2 (minor league bullpen) Shenton takes over for Bauers and provides depth at 3rd. Moncada and Sal rotate at 3rd with depth behind (allow pt in of for yeli and Perk) Rotation= Peralta, 1/2 year, Myers, Woody, Ashby/Ross Megill, Koenig, Huddy, Mears, Yoho, Hall, Ashby/Ross, Corbin/Uribe/Bauk/Herget/others That would leave us with like 12 picks in the 1st 3 rounds.

Murphy hinted at Ashby to the rotation today. That would be fine by me if he can show the stuff and control he had at the end of the year. Maybe we could go Peralta, Myers, Woody, Ashby, trade Civale and Rea and use the savings to go after someone like Shane Bieber on a 1 year deal. That could be a pretty insane rotation if they could stay healthy. With AAA depth that sounds really intrueging.

I would expect him to get like 3/50 minimum up to maybe 5/100+. Kim wasn't great this year but has had 2 5 WAR seasons in a row. If he holds out and gets left in the dry like Chapman, Belly, and Snell.

To be honest, I really like how they are set up. You are never going to be able to shorten the season and you can't make anything longer. We had 3 home games to beat a team that we were better than in the regular season. I hate the 1 game play-in and I think a 1 win advantage is way to big of an advantage. With the 12 teams in the playoffs I don't think they have to few or to many teams, there could be seasons where a 84ish team makes the playoffs and a 100+ win team is a wild card team but I think that will be a rarity. For me, any "fix" makes the playoff problems bigger. The only problem is that have 3 home games isn't as big of a home field advantage as other sports.

No, there are a bunch of better trade candidates on the Rays to fill in the 3B/2B or Bauers spot. Brandon Lowe, Curtis Mead, Jonathan Aranda, Jose Cabellero, Austin Shenton, or even Yandy Diaz.