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I don't think there have been many teams BETTER at bullpen "reclamation projects," than the Brewers the last 5-6 years.

I don't think there have been many teams BETTER at bullpen "reclamation projects," than the Brewers the last 5-6 years.

That's exactly what it sounded like. Just picking players that it'd make the most sense to trade. I'd guess the Brewers will first gauge their chances of extending Burnes before anything else. Then I'd still guess based on how last year went, Attanasio would be apprehensive of dealing him...and if he extends him, it keeps the window open longer. We'll see if Burnes really wants to be here like he said.

That's exactly what it sounded like. Just picking players that it'd make the most sense to trade. I'd guess the Brewers will first gauge their chances of extending Burnes before anything else. Then I'd still guess based on how last year went, Attanasio would be apprehensive of dealing him...and if he extends him, it keeps the window open longer. We'll see if Burnes really wants to be here like he said.

I see all these rumors around Allen, but I don't see the problem. He's clearly a 3 point specialist and not an elite defender, but he's also not like Donovan Mitchell or this black hole defensively. He's not gonna make any All NBA Defensive teams, but he's competitive and he's a sniper. I think Carter and Beauchamp have shown enough that you can trade Allen, Hill, Nowra as I said. I guess depending on the player, you even include that 2029 1st...which could obviously be very valuable as Giannis could be gone, Middleton and Jrue would be ~36 or so. But if you can add a star, sure. But I don't know how many players like that are going to be available. It should be a very active trade deadline with all the teams tanking for Victor Wembanyama or whatever. The love child between Rudy Gobert and Kevin Durant who's the biggest NBA prospect since LeBron(so I'm told). I just don't see the point of trading Allen JUST to trade him. It's almost certainly going to be a contract a team wants to dump(which is fine, as long as they're an upgrade).

I actually thought he'd looked like he'd improved quite a bit this year...he just hadn't been hitting his shots, but season's early and small sample. His overall game though looks much improved. His defense had been much better, he hasn't just been a black hole offensively. He made a few REALLY nice passes last game, playing smarter and within the system. All of that is kinda moot though if he continues to shoot so poorly as that's always going to be where most of his value comes, so I understand the larger point, but the smaller things, I definitely think there's a big improvement there. Beauchamp is in a whole different league defensively. Even raw and still figuring things out and not communicating as well as he can, you can at least put him on the other teams top wing and he's going to make things difficult.

2026 is more the window people are looking at for the US Soccer team, right? I don't follow Soccer, but that's kinda the tone I've heard. That we had some young studs who weren't quite ready yet...or maybe they would just be in their prime in '26? I'd actually like to follow the Soccer team a little bit, but I am wholly ignorant about the state of US Soccer OTHER than it sounds like more athletes are getting into the sport and we're investing more in the infrastructure....I guess?

They both seem like just perfect fits with this team. Beauchamp seems like he understands his role perfectly. Go out there and defend, cut. When he gets the ball, keep it moving(maybe take an open 3). Carter though, I loved him and he's doing move than I thought. He's getting to the restricted area and using his body to finish a times. He's denying and just hounding people. Take a lot off Jrue's plate. Glad we had him part of last year...we can offer the early bird this year when he inevitably turns down the PO, meanwhile Beauchamp keeps developing. The biggest problem is how we're going to work Ingles, Middleton and Connaughton in the lineup! I mean...not really. They're priorities and now you've got some real trade chips(not Beauchamp though). But Nwora has played alright, Serge is holding it down and looks much more spry. Lopez looks MUCH more athletic this year. And this team isn't even shooting it well.

He's developing a nice little turnaround here and mid range game whereas MJ didn't REALLY perfect that fadeaway until he was ~27 or so. So he won't be a great shooter, but I don't think that'll be the reason. I just think you're talking about such an insanely high bar, that's why he won't get over it. He's gotta win...maybe 3 more Titles, and he has to keep this up for...a long time before it's even a discussion if he's in the top 2. I think he could easily end up top 10, top 5 maybe. But these are...just historic greats and he's still just entering his prime.

Yeah, that's not cap space though. To create cap space, they'd have to renounce Middleton and Lopez...~40M, Lopez is a little over 20M, Ingles is nearly 8M, Carter has a PO for 2.4M and they need to find a way to keep him. That's obvious already. So yeah, they could create...12M in salary cap space, but you could only sign Lopez and Middleton for either 12M combined or you could use the MLE which would be ~5M then after...but you wouldn't be able to sign probably either player for 12M. Ingles could be re-signed, Carter should be given the tax payers MLE and hope he taxes it(it's insanely early). But we can't renounce Middleton and Lopez, the only way to create cap space, and then re-sign them. Otherwise teams would just renounce all their cap holds, like the Lakers who had LBJ and AD coming up at the same time, renounce them, then sign a player for 25M and then still go back and max out LeBron and AD. That's the purpose of the cap holds.

5/130 He's not deGrom, he's not a FA. No player options until MAYBE the final year. We're committing to him in case of injury, not in case he pitches really well. He gets 130M guaranteed and he gets to hit the market again at age 33. 6/200 is basically giving a player with 2 years left ~43M a year 2 years before he hits FA. I don't doubt he'd be able to get that as a FA, but he's not one. 5/130 GTD 10 SB 10-'23 20-'24 25-'25 25-'26 25-'27 40-'28 (Mutual Option 5 buyout) I'm also not deferring payment unless it's at the same price. The deferred money lowers the value of the contract. If you're waiting 15 years to pay some of it out, you should be paying at least 150. So 37.5 the last 3 years. That just isn't the best way to keep your books clean and it's not necessary. The Brewers can push their payroll into the ~150 range with the new TV money. If Burnes passes I'm going to Woodruff and offering 5/110. If neither sign, I'm not actively trading them, but I'm taking offers. The final thing I'm not doing is...signing any checks of having any say in the matters, so who knows. But I think Mark A will make an aggressive offer. I'm gonna guess he comes in around the Luis Castillo deal, maybe a bit over and Burnes turns it down. But I hope I'm wrong.

5/130 He's not deGrom, he's not a FA. No player options until MAYBE the final year. We're committing to him in case of injury, not in case he pitches really well. He gets 130M guaranteed and he gets to hit the market again at age 33. 6/200 is basically giving a player with 2 years left ~43M a year 2 years before he hits FA. I don't doubt he'd be able to get that as a FA, but he's not one. 5/130 GTD 10 SB 10-'23 20-'24 25-'25 25-'26 25-'27 40-'28 (Mutual Option 5 buyout) I'm also not deferring payment unless it's at the same price. The deferred money lowers the value of the contract. If you're waiting 15 years to pay some of it out, you should be paying at least 150. So 37.5 the last 3 years. That just isn't the best way to keep your books clean and it's not necessary. The Brewers can push their payroll into the ~150 range with the new TV money. If Burnes passes I'm going to Woodruff and offering 5/110. If neither sign, I'm not actively trading them, but I'm taking offers. The final thing I'm not doing is...signing any checks of having any say in the matters, so who knows. But I think Mark A will make an aggressive offer. I'm gonna guess he comes in around the Luis Castillo deal, maybe a bit over and Burnes turns it down. But I hope I'm wrong.

I really wish we could add a 0 to Mark Attanasio's net worth....and then double that. Imagine a 300M payroll? This is stupid money for a closer, but...ya just knew Cohen was going to pay it. What other team do you think would pay 100M for a closer? Even a...insanely good one?

I really wish we could add a 0 to Mark Attanasio's net worth....and then double that. Imagine a 300M payroll? This is stupid money for a closer, but...ya just knew Cohen was going to pay it. What other team do you think would pay 100M for a closer? Even a...insanely good one?

Honestly...the only reason I haven't cancelled my subscription is laziness. Nobody covers the Brewers...so they use Will Sammon because he used to and kinda knows. Jim Bowden is employed there(that really is in and of itself reason enough). Keith Law is empl....just swap his name out in the last sentence. It used to actually be insightful.

Honestly...the only reason I haven't cancelled my subscription is laziness. Nobody covers the Brewers...so they use Will Sammon because he used to and kinda knows. Jim Bowden is employed there(that really is in and of itself reason enough). Keith Law is empl....just swap his name out in the last sentence. It used to actually be insightful.

Well, I consider a tank job intentionally losing or making your team worse and I could see you argue you're doing that here, I'd argue you'd be worse for a year, but unlike any other? I'd view it as a team just kinda taking a step back and re-loading so that the prospects they are acquiring match-up with the prospects they've already got in-house. You already know you can't re-sign all 3 players...so I'd focus on Woodruff and then supplement Woody, Peralta, Ashby, Gasser with those 4 pitchers. I'd insist on Stone back(which would just make the Dodgers even less likely to do it). I also think you're being a bit hyperbolic on how bad they'd be. I think that'd be a team that'd be in the .500 range, with a realistic range of 75-85 wins(and I think capable of much more if Vargas hits right away and those pitchers come in and contribute, even if just out of the BP) and then by '24 I think they'd be absolutely stacked and a better version of this years Cleveland team. Young, they'd have a whole staff of flame throwers, a lot of young position prospects. And again, obviously I'm talking about just that Dodgers trade. Stone, Pepiot, Miller, Grove, Bruns...you're kinda recreating Woody and Burnes coming in as long relievers, but again, you'd have a better TOR with the actual Woodruff, Peralta and whoever emerges as the next starters. But these are all the reasons I don't think the Dodgers would do it. Give up 36 years of team control of VERY talented prospects on one of the top farm systems(or 42 depending on if you go with Buehler or another prospect). And you're really just losing likely a year of team control since we know we're not going to go with Burnes, Woody and Adames and get nothing back for them. Attendance would take a hit, fans would be upset, but winning solves all that and ultimately, this is the type of trade I, again, don't think would be offered, but I don't think you could afford to turn down if you're the Brewers.

I think deGrom gets the shorter contract because he wants the shorter deal. Maybe he'll get a 5/200 with a PO after the 2nd year. I don't know. Verlander on the other hand, I think he'll want the longer deal and he's showing no signs of regression. It also falls in line with pitchers getting shorter deals with higher AAV. New TV money coming in(not NFL type money, but more) and I don't think Verlander has trouble getting ~40AAV and 3 years. Now if deGrom wants a longer deal, I'm sure he'll get it. Beyond those top 2, I think Rodon is pretty accurate and then I think Bowden is...well, typical Bowden. Diaz is looking for 100M and I think he'll get it. He'll set the record for a reliever I would think and being on the Mets already, I think it's just that much more of a given. Maybe he comes in short of 100. I don't think you can get Senga 3/72. That seems like too much, but for a FA pitcher without a posting fee...and one who throws 100 with a plus-plus splitter(apparently, obviously I've just seen a couple pitches from Twitter). BUT-If you think that is ridiculous(which I'd understand, but disagree with). Did you see Keith Law's top 50 Free Agent list? Carlos Correa. Ok, 28 year old franchise SS, played and played well in several post-seasons. Trea Turner #2...alright. Makes sense. He's older, relies on speed, not the defender. #3 Dansby Swanson... If you just read his top 3, you'd think he forgot about that guy in NY who just put up one of the top offensive seasons in MLB HISTORY. Lots of nonsense after that.

I think deGrom gets the shorter contract because he wants the shorter deal. Maybe he'll get a 5/200 with a PO after the 2nd year. I don't know. Verlander on the other hand, I think he'll want the longer deal and he's showing no signs of regression. It also falls in line with pitchers getting shorter deals with higher AAV. New TV money coming in(not NFL type money, but more) and I don't think Verlander has trouble getting ~40AAV and 3 years. Now if deGrom wants a longer deal, I'm sure he'll get it. Beyond those top 2, I think Rodon is pretty accurate and then I think Bowden is...well, typical Bowden. Diaz is looking for 100M and I think he'll get it. He'll set the record for a reliever I would think and being on the Mets already, I think it's just that much more of a given. Maybe he comes in short of 100. I don't think you can get Senga 3/72. That seems like too much, but for a FA pitcher without a posting fee...and one who throws 100 with a plus-plus splitter(apparently, obviously I've just seen a couple pitches from Twitter). BUT-If you think that is ridiculous(which I'd understand, but disagree with). Did you see Keith Law's top 50 Free Agent list? Carlos Correa. Ok, 28 year old franchise SS, played and played well in several post-seasons. Trea Turner #2...alright. Makes sense. He's older, relies on speed, not the defender. #3 Dansby Swanson... If you just read his top 3, you'd think he forgot about that guy in NY who just put up one of the top offensive seasons in MLB HISTORY. Lots of nonsense after that.

I don' think it is. I think it's going to be very close to years and AAV.

Pat attention to WHAT? You STILL haven't made a coherent argument as to why Gunnar Henderson will not be a top 10 SS prospect over the next 6 years. What point have you made? That we don't ABSOLUTELY know what he'll do over the next 6 years? Great. You don't know what with literally anyone. Christian Yelich put up the best two year stretch in Brewers history. Came back and hit .205. The absurdity of this argument would be like me pointing out that in 2021 Walker Buehler was worth 6.6 WAR and Burnes was worth 5.6 and now Walker Buehler is out for the year. You want to "pay attention," then look at what prospects the caliber of Henderson do, especially after performing at the MLB level. Feels like you're being a contrarian just...simply for the sake of being a contrarian. The consensus among Scouts and Executives have him as one of the top 2-3 prospects in baseball and he's already shown he's not overmatched by MLB pitching(yes, "but Hiura"). He's also an elite defensive player.

Every answer to why a prospect who's already produced at the MLB level cannot be, "but Hiura." Gunnar Henderson is the #1 or #2 prospect in baseball for a reason. What does Keston Hiura have to do with Gunnar Henderson? And what possible reason do you "seriously doubt," he'll be a top 10 SS in the next 6 years? Also, Hiura was NEVER the prospect Henderson was.

Every answer to why a prospect who's already produced at the MLB level cannot be, "but Hiura." Gunnar Henderson is the #1 or #2 prospect in baseball for a reason. What does Keston Hiura have to do with Gunnar Henderson? And what possible reason do you "seriously doubt," he'll be a top 10 SS in the next 6 years? Also, Hiura was NEVER the prospect Henderson was.

Musta missed it. 376 in '71 and 346 in '72. There were 6-7 seasons with pitchers throwing ~340+ innings in just a couple year stretch there. Burnes has 375 the last two years(the only years he's been over 59 IP). So...I stand behind the point.

Musta missed it. 376 in '71 and 346 in '72. There were 6-7 seasons with pitchers throwing ~340+ innings in just a couple year stretch there. Burnes has 375 the last two years(the only years he's been over 59 IP). So...I stand behind the point.