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Dude...what are you talking about my "beef?" Where have I EVER inferred I had a "beef" about anything? I was pointing out how it's not a choice, they literally cannot spend like the Mets...which should have been clear when I said...they cannot spend like the Mets. That they'd literally go broke in a few years. And where did I "advocate" for anything? I'd have thought the "spending just for the sake of spending, it doesn't make any sense" would infer that...I was actually AGREEING with you and disagreeing with the Leonhard, Latitas and his other handles and the few of his ilk.

This was one of the weirdest stories I can recall. I formed an opinion very early because I didn't have a high opinion of Bauer and it was so shocking. Then a lot more stuff came out and I pretty much stuck behind that opinion. Then the video of her came out after the encounter she said was violent and she's just laying in the bed, she tapes him and giggles and...now I don't know what to think. I'll say this...we should probably not judge as quickly as we do...though it's very hard given this particular subject. And I would not sign him even if he was going to take a minimum salary to come here. I also anticipate a lawsuit by him to get payment for his lost pay that I think he may have a chance to win.

I'm alright with trading Mitchell if it's the right trade, but I don't see the need right now. Maybe they're looking at trading for a younger pitcher and...there are a ton I'd trade our young OFers for. It just seems strange that WE'RE pursuing this or pushing for this trade. Which is why...unless you specifically saw it was for a starting pitcher, I'm thinking it could just be for a high end reliever. Not that I think the bullpen is in a bad shape...in fact, it seems like often times the best bullpens come together almost on accident. I think about Andrew Miller going from top prospect as a SPer to kinda failing and then developing into the prototype for Josh Hader or the Brewers dominant BP that had Burnes, Woodruff, Jeffress who was in and out, Knebel who turned it on in '17 and then struggled for a prolonged stretch in '18(not to mention, Taylor Williams was a dominant 1st half reliever that year before falling off a cliff which prompted in part the promotions of our young starters. Still, it never hurts to add a dominant late inning reliever.

So THIS makes sense to you...but Frelick on the ML roster, that doesn't? Winker in the OF? Winker is our DH. That seems just...obvious at this point. Frelick is almost certainly going to be a starting MLB OFer. This seems very obvious. He's a terrible OFer and we don't have a DH.

And the Mets also generate at LEAST a couple hundred MILLION more a year than the Brewers. The Mets lost ~100M last year(per Forbes...which I don't think is exact, but it's about as accurate as you're going to get). So Mark A COULD do that. And he COULD liquidate all his assets(which would probably lower his net worth considerably). And he COULD go broke in a few years to appease the Jeffery Leonhard..."fans" on this board. So I'd actually argue it's NOT semantics, the Brewers just CANNOT afford to spend "a lot" in free agency. Also, before this argument starts about how Mark A has made a billion on the Brewers, also not money realized and he's a minority owner. He's the principal owner, but less than 50%. I think they can spend more than they are. They could probably spend 25M more than they're at right now. But just spending for the sake of spending...it doesn't make sense. Just one more time. Brandon Drury 2022-2.6 WAR Brandon Drury CAREER-2.1 WAR Career includes 2022. So would he be an upgrade? Or would he very likely end up being the guy people end up bemoaning was our FA signing like McCutchen?

Everyone's just kinda jumping to a controllable starting pitcher(or a starting pitcher just period). I could see the Brewers trying to find another reliever like...Felix Bautista from the Os(doesn't have to be him, just an idea of the type of pitcher I think they'd target). A young flame thrower who the Brewers could slot into the 8th inning. I think that's a bigger need at the moment and it doesn't seem like the Orioles are trying to win this year. They've been operating with a payroll in the ~50M range for a while and...they've done very little this year to suggest they're going for it. So it seems like they want to let their young core play together for a year, then maybe supplement? IDK, either way, I'm not stuck on Bautista. He was one of the most valuable relievers in the game last year. It could be another high leverage reliever with that type of stuff. Dylan Coleman from the Royals would be a nice option... It seems like with Burnes, Woodruff, Peralta and Lauer...then Ashby expected to take a step this year, they probably wouldn't be looking to trade one of their top prospects for a starter.

Right...they shouldn't be counting on Chourio this year, but players who've performed like he has by the age of 18 in the past have move very quickly through AA and AAA and been huge part of post-season rosters. Guys like Soto and Cabrera. I wouldn't bet on it, but if the guy is just crushing it in AA...and you've got a hole?

I'd hope not. Will Myers was REALLY nice fit for this lineup. I hope it's just Arnold seeing it differently than I did rather than a guy choosing to go to a team that's making no attempt to compete because he might get more PT. I think Myers in Milwaukee would have ended up with quite a few ABs. And if he was hitting well, then he'd very likely be getting ABs at 1B, DH, LF. Sure, we're not likely to hand him a job and say you're our everyday 1B, but I'd think playing meaningful games in Oct could results in a bigger payday than what'll likely be half a year in Cincy and then being traded...if he's hitting well.

I'd want them to eat 4-5M. I like that he's got good splits vs lefties. That's...really the first thing I"m looking at for any potential addition at this point. I think he'd be best served as a 1B/DH vs good lefties. And we could throw him a Valerio in order to do so...he has some value. I don't know, I liked him. He also provides some protection against Turang struggling. But I wouldn't make this signing if it meant Turang wasn't going to get the lions share of the ABs at 2B. I'd do it so we could kinda rotate Escobar around.

Yes, of course a hand/wrist injury can impact performance... So can a hip injury. Garrett Mitchell had a hip flexor, that's not the same injury as Bo Jackson, it's just the same part of the body that he injured....so far as we know.

These are never perfect 1 to 1 comps. I don't think he was suggesting that Wiemer could be a .330 in a year, but have the type of offensive impact. He can hit 20 points lower and if he's walking ~12% of the time, it'll make up for the difference in batting average and he is clearly physically capable of putting up great SLG lines. He could ALSO be a big insanely gifted athlete like Glenn Braggs was who is simply unable to make enough contact at the MLB level to be a productive player. I think Jay Buhner with speed/defense is the...best comp(if he hits), but it's easy to see the point he's making.

I think he's a better prospect than Mitchell by a pretty decent margin at the time. Wiemer has the speed(not quite Mitchell speed, but not too far off). I really think his defense in CF would be above average. Mitchell struggled going back on balls, but I assume that was just being young and new to the park. But Mitchell has all the same tools, but he hasn't shown that in game power that Wiemer has. I think there's a pretty solid consensus that Wiemer is the prospect with the most upside in the system outside of Chourio among the position players. I think Frelick is the safest bet to be an impact player, Turang has the highest floor, but ceiling? That's Wiemer IMO. I think you're absolutely right about that. I think he'll be a .270/.360./550 type hitter who contends for GG's and is CAPABLE of that 40/40 season(though, everything has to go right for even proven players, so that's obviously just a very optimistic POV). Pitching prospects, Misiorowski is the guy who has that crazy upside, but he hasn't actually done anything yet(outside of apparently rave reviews at instructs in AZ).

Ok...well...it being the same body part or in the same area does not mean it's the same injury. Braun had a nerve issue coming right up through the thumb that caused either pain or surgery which would have caused him to lose all feeling. It was a chronic condition that plagued him his last 5-6 years. His median nerve was inflamed and pinched and the only way to deal with it was to freeze it regularly. I think Wiemer had a sprained thumb and then he was fine. I don't believe he's dealing with any long term issues. That'd be a VERY big deal...

If they win out, I think it's a damn near lock they make the playoffs. The NFC is just so weak and these teams are exposed. And the Lions(Sewell, Decker, Ragnow) and the Vikings with Darrisaw and O'Neil as their bookends, we just can't matchup. So as good as Enagbare has been...for a rookie 5th, Preston Smith has been just mediocre. I guess if I was going to try and be positive, Clark looked great last week. He has not had a good year by his standards. Slaton made some really nice plays. Reed and Lowry were solid, but the real X-Factor is Wyatt. He's the only guy we have who's capable of getting that pressure right the face and making a few plays a game that can change the outcome, but...I'm not real confident.

I guess maybe before it was the QB with the OL(just guessing). Baker Mayfield said the reason he was able to kinda fit into the LA offense so quickly was because so many of the protection calls were the same as in Cleveland. So...if that's true, maybe they think it's more important that the QB sit with the OL to go over blitz protection normally. Maybe at this point with Jenkins, Myers, Runyan and Yosh all pretty entrenched and then Bakh likely back or if not, Zach Tom who has been...impeccable when it comes to his technique and picking up his assignments, they might feel it's not as big of a priority? I don't know, it does seem like the QB and WRers would be in the same room, but I also believe MLF is a pretty bright guy, so if they waited until now it seems like there'd be another reason for it? This WRer room has been fun to watch and it's just getting better. I think next year you insert Toure for Cobb and those guys have a year under their belt? Not hard to see that being a really good group. Also, in going back and watching the game and I'm thinking Mercedes Lewis may be the most underrated player on this team...even with how much everyone likes him and all that, I still don't think his blocking is appreciated. I saw him double on a DE last night, move him and then get up onto Wagner and completely seal him off. Just a play that you do not expect a modern TE to make. That's why that really need to go out and get that Darnell Washington from UGA. 6'7 270LB who can also go get the ball at the high point....(I'd also be happy to get any one of UGA's top 3 TEs, but their top guy, a Kelce/Kittle hybrid, he's balled out the last two years, but he's still only a Soph. And Arik Gilbert is probably the most physically talented. Not QUITE in the Kyle Pitts tier, but he'll be a day 3 pick if he's picked at all because of some...what seem to be mental health issues(red flags, character concerns, they all get chalked up to the same thing when some kids just have issues). He's got JerMichael Finley talent with better blocking, speed...but something's just not clicking. But, hey, Washington. A 21 year old version of Mercedes and apparently a great dude as well.

He really could jump into this lineup next year and if all goes well, provide a Ryan Braun like boost. Not that he'll be posting a .620 SLG or a 1.000, but again, the way our lineup is built, a power hitting, lefty crushing, base stealing, home run robbing, ass kicking, extra base stealing 6'5 Stud from Cincy with an arm so strong he needs a conceal carry permit, exit velocities so big they normal radar break trying to read them...the Bearcat turned Brewer here to save our candy asses! Side Note-I just watched that show with The Rock running for President...it might have rubbed off on me for a moment there! But really, even if you JUST get the average of his AA/AAA season, that's a ~.255/.335/.470 SLG while breaking up all the lefties(even if his splits last year were reverse...which frankly seems to bold well for his future)...that could be a MASSIVE impact. I think we're going to see Frelick/Mitchell/Wiemer and Turang at 2B in at least one game this year...and it's going to be beautiful. Maybe even Tyler Black come Sept? Anyway, the Cart is now miles in front of the horse, but it's exciting...the possibilities. He's got that type of talent that makes you REALLY excited and who makes it nearly impossible for him to

Where on earth are you getting that Wiemer has the same type of injury that...really kinda helped derail Braun's career? That's a MASSIVE statement to make. Braun had a chronic issue that required a ton of maintenance and did not get better. As far as I know, Wiemer has a sore wrist or a sprained wrist. That's a massive, massive difference.

Wiemer is SUCH an incredibly exciting prospect. If his hit tool at the MLB level is just average, he could be a 5WAR player. I also think he could handle CF just fine...we just don't need him to play out there with Mitchell and Frelick both being elite defenders out there(and maybe Chourio in a year or two). I've said I think he's similar to Jay Buhner. That's who I think he CAN be. Jay Buhner but with more speed. Buhner had one of the strongest arms, had HUGE power, drew a lot of walks. Buhner wasn't on the same level as a pure athlete, but just physical attributes and Wiemer's upside is close to what Buhner did...IMO. If his walk rate is over 10%, much less the 13+ that Buhner had while keeping his K rate under 25-28, I think he'll be a super star. Hunter Pence is the most common comp because he does have a unique swing. I don't really think that's a great comp though because Pence had very low walk rates, relatively low K rates and just doesn't have the raw physical power, speed or even the arm Wiemer did. Wiemer has the largest range of potential outcomes among our prospects. I could see him potentially being a 40/40 guy who wins a GG in RF or even plays a serviceable CF. He could also be a Tyrone Taylor type hitter. .~.220/.280 with some power, but not enough contact to fully realize his potential. I'm betting on him hitting the ball well enough to be a real impact player, but...we'll have to see.

Agreed. I like Adames...you can't commit 170 to him...and I really don't think you'd have to. People are looking at these FA contracts and acting like something's changed. NOTHING has changed. The Brewers still have team control for 2 more years, so comparing what Carlos Rodon got as an Apples to Apples comp is silly. How about Walker Buehler. Lets use him as a comp. He's been pretty much on par with Burnes. Same age, he's been an ace. Was dominant when they won the WS. Being a FA RIGHT NOW and being 400 innings away from being a FA is a pretty big difference. Tyler Glasnow is another. Not on the same level, but a dominant pitcher with just overpowering stuff who was likely set to get a massive payday. Even Rodon himself. No, the Brewers CANNOT sign any of these elite FA's to contracts. They can afford to extend players who are elite and still under team control for 2 years. But obviously as the team control diminishes, the chances to extend diminishes. I think last year was the time to sign Burnes, but I don't think it's nearly as unlikely as some are suggesting. You have to actually make the offer and make an attempt and it's possible the Brewers know it'll be expensive either way and they're just planning on making a run and then trading Burnes, Woody, Adames. Burnes came out and said he hasn't been approached, but that he'd like to stay in Milwaukee(not that saying he wants to stay here means that much, a contract extension would tell you just how much he wants to).

If Ashby can just refine a few things, it's entirely plausible to see him jump into the Corbin Burnes tier. His stuff is so nasty and electric, that it's just about working on his pitch sequence and maturing as a pitcher. Now...not everyone does that. Wily Peralta is a pitcher who had the upside of an ace. In fact, in the broadest of terms, I think there are usually half a dozen guys at least in every farm system who legitimately have "ace" upside. That takes so much to get there, but Ashby is healthy, he's overpowering and now he's on the precipice. It's unlikely he reaches the top of his ceiling, but...it's certainly exciting to think about what we could have with Burnes/Woodruff/Peralta/Ashby/Lauer...and then Gasser could force his way into the discussion which could help the Brewers at the deadline possibly use a pitcher like Lauer for a significant upgrade elsewhere. Of course we all know how rare it is for a staff to make it through a season healthy.

Wyatt could provide more pass rush, but...I'm pretty much with you. Stokes is out for the year, Savage hasn't done anything. Enagbare and Clark looked much better tonight, but it'll take Barry scheming up some pressures without Gary and...I don't see it. And losing out would likely be better long term. BUT I can't help but root for this team to win and see what happens. Most important to me at the moment, they're still playing har and the younger players are playing good, solid, smart FB. Enagbare is looking like a really good rotational Edge(maybe a future starter). Doubs looks a little like a Jennings/Driver type WRer with his route running and how smooth he is. Wyatt is just too quick and also holding up at the point(again, needs more snaps). Nixon, Quay, Clark coming on...not that he's a young player. Tom played well, Myers is looking good. And Elgton is really moving the LOS and seems to be regaining some of his versatility. That's gonna be one helluva decision to make, but I'm guessing he turns into a 3rd round pick in 2024. Especially if he's not extended by the end of the regular season. 5/85 seems like a reasonable ask...but maybe too much given where we're at.

Wolf has talked about Lewis and Urlacher. Tried to trade up for both. Or maybe it was just Urlacher. I remember those details more clearly. Urlacher was #1 on their board, they were at 14. They had 14 picks, but couldn't trade several because they were comp picks. Tried trading with Philly and Baltimore.

There is absolutely ZERO reason to play him over Wyatt at this point. He is just blowing things up. Beat a double team to force the QB out of the pocket for a sack. Next play, beat his man off the ball, forced the back to change directions. And those were just two plays. That kid is gonna be a stud. And Quay...just sent him on a little stunt. Had Enagbare almost block the LT, he came in off the edge and punched the ball out. Finally a different idea than sending Quay right up the middle. Barry's bad, but he threw a couple nice things out there. That was nice.

It seemed pretty clear Lazard was supposed to keep going. Sets up a 50/50 ball between he and Rapp. Gotta realize how fast the game moves. Lazard is still running when Rodgers lets that ball go. That's on Rodgers, but make sense why he'd think Lazard would keep running the route.

I don't know that he was fighting for yards at that point. Ramsey just did a great job, got his arm around the ball and kinda kept Jones up trying to pull it out. Sometimes, it's just a great play. Sometimes, you roll the ball backwards for no discernible reason. I mean, if you could get it Jaire's hands early on, get him to go back across the grain, giving his ability to run in the open field, I guess that'd make some sense. Not as you're getting tackled though(even then, it's really not worth the risk).