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There's a lot of very interesting players among those who are visiting, but one who I think could be a massive steal is Joe Milton. If he's there in Rd5, I'd be very happy to see the Packers take him. 6'5, built like a TE with elite speed, and just a cannon for an arm. It's worth taking a flier on him and seeing if Tom Clement can do something with him. I also love seeing Zach Zinter in there. I think he'd be the top IOL in this draft, or at least the top OG if not for the injury. Pretty substantial injury, but he's supposed to be ready to go for camp. He also has a little positional versatility.
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I agree, it'd be tough to move him. I don't think it'd be even a discussion until Myers was gone and he was signed to an extension.
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Ok...and is anyone acting like we're just happy to be here as the 3 seed and that a 1st round loss would be anything less than an unmitigated disaster? I don't see anyone re-writing history. I'm not quite as despondent as some are, but...I have yet to see one person call or refer to this season thus far as any type of success.
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I agree. Of all the moves they made...in hindsight, getting 3 1sts and this absurd haul for Rodgers is the most appealing, but it just wasn't feasible at the time. Back to Back MVPs and it appeared like Love made a big jump between '22 and '23 and even then, he was pretty bad the first half of the season. As for leverage, maybe they had it, maybe they didn't. I don't think Murphy coming out and talking about how much they'd hoped to trade Rodgers helped. It's a moot point now though. Just a passing comment on how it'd be nice to have the 10th pick.
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He was rotating back and forth with the 1st team in camp. Gutekunst said when he was drafted, he thought his best position was Center. It's certainly not a guarantee that they'll be able to get the OT they want or draft one in Rd1, but the question was about the Packers long-term Center.
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They were also expecting Bakh back...and if you'll recall, he was getting snaps at both Center and RT. It does add up. They want the best 5 players out there. Myers happened to be one of the best 5. He's a pending FA. I'm also trying to figure out where on Earth I said "because they brought someone in means they're going to draft them?" Did I miss that? I've actually said the opposite, the Packers tend to not draft the players they bring in for the top 30 picks. How did this become about pre-draft visits at all?
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I don't see really any upside to bringing Kemp in.
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Gutey answered that pretty clearly. They didn't have an OT with a rd 1 grade on them after Wright was gone. Last year was a particularly weak OT class. THIS year is a particularly deep OT class.
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It's been pretty well known that Tom's best position is Center since he came out. And the timing of the statement is just when Rob decided to share it...assuming it's true. I don't think the Packers are real big on smokescreens. They were conntected with Love, Watson, Wyatt, Jaire, Jackson all before the draft. I don't recall any disinformation from them.
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It actually looked to me like he did make that play...and with a little better footwork at 1B by Martinez there and his stretch is up the line a bit more, he gets to it. In any event, outstanding play and showed a bigger arm than advertised, but couldn't quite convert.
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Letson is probably the most exciting of the night for me. He or Knoth, but as a 11th(?) rd pick out of a cold weather state and limited exposure, to be pitching at low A already and show the type of stuff he did and the different pitches, that's incredibly impressive. Knoth is great as well, but you more expect it. As for Pratt...he's just one of those kids that looks like they've got the irrational confidence that they believe they belong from the jump...and I love it. You have to have some of that to thrive at such a young age, but he just seems like a kid who lives and breathes the game and loves playing and grinding. When you combine that with that frame, bat speed, his hands, that's a helluva package.
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So...3 drafts. And they traded up several times before that. He gave up multiple 2nds to trade up for Watson. In two of those 3 years he didn't trade up, he did acquire higher first rd picks via trade. He's openly said he's open to trading up or using picks to acquire veterans this year given his draft capital. I don't think it's so outrageous that to suggest would have to be sarcastic. Obviously, he was tongue-in-cheek about the fan reaction, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see the Packers move up 6-8 spots in this draft. Particularly given the recent comments about Tom as a center.
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When you say value, what do you mean? Obviously, they're nowhere near Giannis/Dame, but I think you could very easily trade either, get back pretty valuable assets. The players are likely going to be roster filler and I'd expect a couple of 1sts from a good team, one from a middling team(Houston for example). We do have our 1st this year and a mid 2nd. So we've got another shot at drafting young talent. We're going to have to get a little lucky and hit on someone like a Desmond Bane type if we're going to extend this window. Ironically, he was drafted with what was originally our pick. The Bucks were also trying to move up for Jalen Williams a couple of years ago. I think they know they need to utilize this draft and that time is running out.
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I'm not sure if that's the case...if anything, I think the pendulum has swung back more toward CB after his workout...albeit one lacking the 3-cone and short shuttle. He's such a good athlete that even if he is a safety, I'd gladly take him and pair him with McKinney. You can play each in the box, single high...whatever, they'd be interchangeable. The Packers are also apparently very high on Tom at Center per Rob Demovsky who said someone in the building said he's "a Pro-Bowl Tackle, an All Pro Guard and a HOF Center." That's great and I think we've talked about him quite a bit at Center. That'd tell me they're really looking at an OT prospect. Fautanu makes the most sense there with where the Packers are drafting and how realistic they can move up without giving up too much draft capital.
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No, he fit the exact parameters of what Jopal was asking and he wasn't a comp to anyone, his underlying metrics meant nothing or had nothing to do with this conversation.
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I think you guys are maybe...overstating the impact of a shoulder surgery. They sure and they're awful, but you're describing it like he's not going to be able to do anything for the next year and then it's going to cost him all this muscle and now his entire career trajectory is off. If his body changes long term because of a shoulder injury, he wasn't going to be a stud anyway. In 6 weeks, he'll be able to be working on his legs and core and just working out. I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up STRONGER because he spends the year focused on rehabbing rather than the daily grind of playing baseball where it's EVERY day all summer and you're far less likely to be spending the time you should be in the Gym. If Jacob Misiorowski misses a year, I'd be 100% with you. Quero will still be a very young catcher by the time he's healthy next year. A 22 year old Catcher in AAA on the doorstep of the big leagues? We'd all say he moved very quickly.
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I don't think it's on that level. Woodruff was hurt right before the playoffs last year headed into a very winnable series vs the eventual NL Champs. Quero is a 21-year-old catcher who's already extremely advanced and he'll recover. He doesn't have to throw 100 pitches at maximum effort every 5th day. He was on the verge of the bigs. He'll sit out, maybe play some Winter ball and he'll be back next year and it sucks...but it may even end up working out better for the Brewers service time wise given they have an AS Catcher at the moment.
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Of course there's some bias as I watch him more, but I really like Kolek early Rd2 if he's there for the Bucks. He seems like the type who could come in right away, be the backup PG, play solid defense, but mostly on offense camp out, and knock down some corner 3s.
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Ashby optioned…. Herget selected……Devin to 60 day IL
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The Eagles are designated the Home Team, the Packers the Road team. The Packers will still have 9 home games this year.
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I don't think that's a uniquely American problem. That's more a byproduct of capitalism. You charge what people are willing to pay. I also wouln't call it "greed," I'd just say it's the free market. I'm sure there are plenty of Soccer games that are significantly more expensive to go to...Cricket, whatever. I equate this to working on a Holiday. The time is more valuable, your work is more valuable. Is that "greedy?" Not by the literal definition in my opinion, but it sucks for the consumer. I'd say there is certainly corporate gouging that qualifies as Greed, but I don't want to get too political here, so...I'll leave it there.
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My thought was Burnes...but that was off like...2 games and I didn't know how big of a leap it was. Also, in one game he was throwing ~94, and then he was up to the upper 90s. And then there was just inconsistent movement. He had some changeups that had late movement, but it looked like most didn't do a whole lot other than keep lower-level hitters off balance. Slider could also be really nice at times. I thought he had top the upside to be maybe a good #2, maybe a #3, but thought I may have been overly optimistic. Good to see others who've watched him more are seeing it.
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I'm a big Turang fan...but it'll be interesting to see where he settles in. I hope Wilken is working on his body and his agility. I know there's always this "they'll outgrow 3rd," but...they don't have to. You're talking about a guy out-growing a position from ~21 to his mid to late 20s. You SHOULD be training like a CB or WR. Working on your feed and quickness. I feel like Baseball is behind in that respect. I hope I'm wrong. But, I'll still make my best guess. 1B-Wilken 2B-Ortiz SS-Turang 3B-Pratt(all '24, he could easily see hiA at some point, allows for a full year in AA in '25, then he signs the Chourio type extension😁). Utility-Brown-SS/2B Black-1B/2B/3B...maybe, and LF That'd be if players develop. And I'm not moving Wilken because I don't think he can handle it, though it is a bit of a waste of a 65-grade arm, but because Pratt looks so impressive early on after coming as a highly regarded prep-prospect.
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So this is a REALLY overrated farm system then?
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I'd agree. You wish they'd have insisted on that 1st from the Jets, especially now(how set up would we be for the future if we had gotten that? Maybe if Murphy doesn't run his mouth)...but I'm thinking you could get someone like Fautanu by giving up 58 and moving up and still have 2 more premium picks. And Fautanu could actually help more this year. I'd be so tempted by the idea of moving up to #6 as @reillymcshanesuggests since I've been mocking Alt to the Packers since they were 2-5 and it looked like a lost year, but I think that's not only too much to give up, but I don't think the Giants would make that deal. I throw the charts out when there are truly elite players atop the draft. With 3 WRs that scouts are saying would each be top 3-5 picks in most drafts and 3 really good QBs, I think trading into the top 6 would cost even more. So I'll let the Vikings do the reverse Herschel Walker...if it were up to me.
