BrewerFan

Yes...to ALL of this. I obviously don't know exactly how the Brewers go about things, but I VERY much hope that not only do they have a very good..."apprentice," type program. I fear a brain drain with Stearns. Not all the top dogs(though perhaps some). But those scouts and Johnson, the pitching lab, Charlie Moore...so many guys behind the scenes that we hear or see VERY little about who churn out good relievers by unlocking a different sinker in the case of Peguero or they turn an awful defensive catcher into a guy ranked in the top 6 in throwing, blocking and framing as they did with Contreras. But the to build the type of system we have now, it requires not just a big investment from ownership in the department(Which we've gotten) but as you said, those guys who go everywhere to uncover those arms, who develop relationships with the players, who gauge their demands so we can sign 18 guys in a draft class MOST of us would have been THRILLED getting ~14 players signed in. So I hope we keep Johnson obviously, but it runs so much deeper than that. From top to bottom, we've never been run this well IMO(Stearns is also largely to thank for this) in the scouting department at all levels and we've never had a farm system that has Jackson Chourio and we're already looking at a 17 year old with a .300/450/550 slash line in the DSL who could VERY possibly become a top 100 himself next year and will likely/possibly start in full season ball next year before his 18th Birthday due to his advanced approach. VERY exciting time to be a Brewers fan at all levels...though, think about how good we'd look if we could afford a 4th OFer or a middle reliever for ~8-10M a year and get rid of our Latin American department all together!

The Cards came to him and asked, "Do you think Baseball should be fun," and when he said yes, they pulled the offer. They can't have kids playing a sport as adults thinking it's "fun and games." How are they gonna explain a player smiling to the kids that go to the games? How can Carpenter and Wainwright and future manager Molina continue to with their righteous indignation if they throw out one of those kids showing up pitchers by smiling? Just wasn't a risk they could take! (I don't like the blue font, hard to read against the background...so consider this my blue font).

I thought Hollan , Holton and Riggio were all in one class, but wasn't positive. But Riggio is 21 so...draft eligible as a Soph.

That's not what I was trying to say, I was more just speculating that there have probably been a few times they WOULD have gone over if one of the prep picks would have agreed to it. You were right...they hadn't gone over. I think everyone on the board and everyone who follows the draft was wrong when they were predicting how many people we'd sign. To come 29$ away is incredible! Just ANOTHER thing that makes this system so incredibly exciting. It's not just Chourio, Quero or the big names, it's the depth they've got coming up behind those guys. It feels like we're going to have just wave after wave. Yophery Rodriguez, Wilken, Knoth....Pratt, Bitonti, Guillarte. Just depth all over the place staggered almost perfectly. This is how you build a system like the Rays, Dodgers or Padres(except they just turn and trade 'em all away after finding one gem after another).

Once you go to a 4 year school, you're not draft eligible under after your Jr season or if you'll turn 21 years old by I THINK the end of the MiLB season, but not positive. I know there are draft eligible Soph's but they're rare. In fact, I think there was at least one that we drafted. Hollan from '21 perhaps? Maybe it was Riggio?

Damn...just getting caught up. Morton had Corbin Burnes comps. That's really the only way I could be more excited, but that's incredibly greedy after hearing the initial questions about our picks in rds 11-20 and the inference that very few would sign. Watts if going to a 4 year after this year, right? If I'm mistaken and he's going back to a Juco, then they could still sign him up until next year, but...just an awesome draft. I am curious what it would have taken to get Morton or Gholston signed just out of curiosity, but man, what a draft.

Yes, you've said, but isn't it likely that was because they just couldn't get a guy to sign? I believe they tried to get Riggio signed(for instance). I'm sure there was a player or two from this class who they were close to not signing or may not have signed. I just doubt that's some organizational philosophy when you're talking about a really small, insignificant amount of money relative to ALL the other money they spend on player development.

Absolutely. They've done a great job assembling talent and...hopefully a couple of these guys can go on and have big careers, but the philosophy behind it...in a VERY deep class to add so many top ~200 prospects was incredible IMO. Especially given the upside. I'd LOVE to see Isaac Morton sign. HS pitcher from Minnesota. Huge spin rates, touches 97, average. 6'3 185 and projectable. This draft has exceeded ALL expectations, but if they can get just one more high upside arm...that'd be incredible.

I hate that this is a legitimate response for Willy. Hopefully a huge finish answers some of these questions.

When I'm talking about his numbers, I'm not really considering RBIs as that's more of a result of those around him, or the number of times he gets caught stealing, I'm talking about his slash line. I think that's closer to where he ends up. I'm not sure that'd make him an All-Star in today's game with...all the talent there is out there at SS, that's a bit of a reach. But I think he'll figure it out. Wathing him at Nashville, he was constantly grinding and getting better and I don't think that stops at 23 in his first taste of MLB. This is off topic, but I also think Monasterio is going to be an outstanding utility player. I don't expect him to maintain anything close to ~290/.380, but he could drop 40 points and be VERY valuable. A natural SS who draws walks, good speed, very good defense. Hopefully he can maintain his level of play. Saw an old scouting report that said his floor was a good utility player and if he could hit for average, he could be an everyday SS(and we know that he can also play 2B).

So rather than comparing them at the same age...you're cherry picking and using Jim Gantner when he was 39...because that...just obviously makes more sense? It's tiring always chasing these goalposts. You already have a comp. His production at the same age for Gantner. For SOME reason Gantner So which is it? He was a good hitter as a young man(23, 24 and 25 putting up the same OPS+ as Turang) or those years don't count because he was in and out of the lineup, up and down to from the Big Leagues to the Minor Leagues? I'll just compare the young Gantner to the young Turang rather than arbitrarily picking what Gantner did the last year of his career when retirement was on the horizon. Yes. I would assume the Brewers would 'like' to get something from their bonus money. I'm sure that's far less of a priority than just getting production from 2B, but that's pretty obvious statement. I think they'd "like" to get something in the way of production from every player they draft and develop. And yes. His rookie numbers won't be good enough long term. But for some reason it's like people forget all of baseball and assume a 23 year old rookie isn't going to improve.

There are definitely people already writing him off. Then again, some were writing Chourio off a few weeks ago(and at least one still is).

Or his first three seasons(age 23-25) where he put together a 67 OPS+ Turang is 23 and has always taken a while to adjust. Not sure why you'd use Gantner's last year to compare when...his early years are much more comparable. Turang will be fine...and he SHOULD be surrounded by elite hitters moving forward. Yelich, Chourio, Wiemer, Black, Frelick, Contreras...I expect his MLB numbers to match his AAA numbers from last year in the next couple years as he gets more comfortable.

I don't know if that's true, but I kinda hope it's not. I feel like a full year in AA is perfect for him. I mean, the kid is 19 and looks like he'll be in Milwaukee next year...and then the "Chourio extension" threads will kick off! I really only ever saw just a couple people really questioning him...and generally people who were already dug into an argument(like they'd prefer a FA reliever each year over the Latin American signings and development).

The schedule is just...so weak(at least it looks like it now). I know this sounds stupid, but I don't even care all that much about the record or the playoffs. This is about the next 10-15 years, see if Love can be the guy. The bolded part is why I'm not particularly worried about the record. I think Love's accuracy is really good when he's just lose and letting it rip. And he did that last year, both pre-season and post. I think the WRers probably won't be a great group, but they're talented, deep and diverse. So there's a ton of room for growth there. I'm sure we'll see drops and mistakes. Love in a weird way may be better with this group than Rodgers. Just getting to grow with them. The TEs you could be right. It's hard to know how two rookies are going to play. Musgraves looks like a big time threat down the seam though. We did get 2 of the top TEs in a very deep TE class. End of the year...11-6 and we lose in the playoffs or 6-11 and we're eliminated by week 12, if we go into next year knowing we have our QB of the future and we can use our two 1st round picks on building around Love, this season will be a massive success. That's it. The only barometer.

No...anyone who's watched Caleb Williams can understand this. You just outlined pretty much the worst case scenario. Not that he has just an OK season. He can have an OK season and show flashes and improve. I have a feeling this is gonna be a 'we know it when we see it,' type of thing. The physical tools are elite. I think he's got a bigger and better arm than Dak...but so much pressure on his shoulders.

There were 2 people who'd come forward and the Baseball coach yelled at his players and he got fired when I said this.

Right...forgot about that. That shouldn't change the total significantly. May add a bit, but 4 college arms, a couple guys who are relievers headed into pro-ball. In any event, we're in a MUCH better position than I'd have thought after Pratt and Bitonti signed. That's a million more than I think most people would have guess yesterday.

I don't think that offer would be nearly good enough and I don't like the idea of giving up almost 7 years of an elite catcher and OFer for a rental. I'd get over it and enjoy the hell outta it...but I am fine with the fact that our farm system will continue to grow and we'll take our chances with the staff we have and hopefully a couple bats who can just be solid hitters at 1B/DH, maybe as a platoon player in the OF...

Pratt in particular. It really did seem like 2M was going to be pretty close to his asking price. Leston, Adamczewski maybe? I'm curious what Gholston's price was. He already said he's not signing, but until the deadline passes, that option is still on the table. I don't think anyone would have imagined we'd have ~1.43M to use on picks 11-20.

There has to be some merit to the idea I'd think. At the very least, they're not a team like...the Rockies who are just utterly clueless. You'd have to have a pretty mature kid who was thinking big picture like that. I'd think athletes at this level would have a whole lot of confidence. The Rays, LAD, NYY, Cleveland, Houston vs the Rox, Angels, Pirates...etc...

The big problem with the Hader trade was the...just ridiculous expectations. And then trading him while the team was in first place...I mean, management has said it wasn't a good decision or one they didn't realize the impact it would have. You can point out that we had the same record after as we'd had since May(whatever the exact timeline was) but we traded away a core part of the team. So I don't think there was really any return that was going to make people happy. The standard was kinda the Chapman trade. An overpay for a great reliever because the Cubs were desperate. A year out we seem to have beaten that after flipping Ruiz. If you're not happy with that because you're supposed to get good players...alright. I don't think you were ever going to be.

He was the most vocal about it...or one of them. Things worked out great. I think if you brought him back...they'd probably work out great again. I wouldn't be worried about how it'd work...for the next couple months. I also don't think anyone would be talking about this if Hader wasn't a Brewer....and I can't even picture a scenario in which the Pads come back to the Brewers and accept a realistic trade package they'd be willing to give up. It'd be great to slide Payamps into that 7th inning role, Peguero into the 6th or just use them whenever, but Gasser has good stuff. I think it'd play up in relief.

I thought Black has looked very good at 3B. He can cover ground, he's got soft hands and the arm looks fine...from what I can tell. I also think about the Phillies game yesterday when we won 5-3 and you could point directly to the defensive plays they didn't make at 3B vs the plays we did make that was the difference in the game. It feels like it'd be a bit of a waste to DH him and keep that speed and athletic ability off the field, but it'd be a much bigger waste to just keep throwing out a .500 OPS at DH. I'd be MORE than happy with .240/.350/.400 at this point, and then his speed on the bases.

I don't think the argument is that the better arms are in AA is that more players jump from AA to AAA, I think the argument is the most talented prospects spend more time in AA vs higher caliber arms. Arms with better pure stuff, while AAA is...as pointed out, filled with organizational depth like Rea, Pannone, or any number of relievers who are going to bounce around. It feels like guys move through MiLB MUCH more deliberately at every level until AAA and then it's often time a final tune up vs more advanced pitchers or savvy pitchers(however you'd like to articulate it). More Misiorowski type arms in AA and more Collin Rea type arms in AAA.