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Expecting a guy people are REGULARLY referring to as the GREATEST player ever...and then getting a huge headstart on re-signing him to the biggest, most well known team in American sports isn't worth a couple top 50 prospects and a top 100? The Yankees...who don't have a bad farm system BTW, it's just not as good having graduated a couple of elite players off it like Volpe, Peraza and others. The Yankees would have to go Volpe, Dominguez, Beeter, Wells and then if I'm the Angels, I'm trying to put Rendon into the deal. they pay his salary this year and next and then they're done. But no WAY do I think a deal like Frelick, Black, Small and Lara get it done. 2 top 50 and three top 100 MIGHT be a bit much, but Frelick is probably closer to 50 right now, Black gets pushed out of top 100 with the signings. Lara is undervalued at this point, not having played above A and Small? Small is a guy you're HOPING just happens to figure it out and can EVENTUALLY develop into a Wood type pitcher. A hope that's fading at the moment. A team is gonna have to give up at LEAST one difference making prospect IMO and then 3-4 others who vary from top 30 to top 100-again, before the draft signings are factored in.

Yeah. You're getting '08 CC and a '04 Carlos Beltran type player all in one. Or if you want to stick with that 2008 season, CC+Mark Texiera who hit like .360 and was huge for the Angels(and then cost us Trout because he signed with the damn Yankees). A Randy Johnson, Curt Schilling. Max Scherzer and Trea Turner may be the closest in real life, but...he is unprecedented. It's more than just the on field play. I'd bet half a season of him would be HUGE for any fan base. Speaking of which, I wonder how much money he generates for a team? I've seen it's ~30-40M in the interest he brings. I'd have to imagine that could be even higher in a smaller market like Milwaukee. So you could pay him 60M a year and he's WELL worth it...so long as he stays healthy. That's not a "lets do a Bobby Bonilla type deal and defer 40M a year for 40 years," type suggestion, just a passing thought. IF he was actually interested in coming, I wonder how much it'd actually cost the Brewers after you factor in added revenue as a result?

He's one of the guys I wanted to see added on that top 20 list. I am just so excited about the young talent. It's just coming in waves. Franklin Rodriguez, Lara, Yophery and that's after the top 6-7 CF prospects we've got!

93-94 but relies on the slider...from what I've read.

Yes, thank you. I think Rodriguez *MIGHT be out next guy to really break out...but he's off to an excellent start in any event.

LOL...I'm just picturing him interviewing with the stuffy Northwestern Administration in that Bayou accent! And I agree, it wouldn't be a great fit based on the school and the region. I might have misinterpreted your meaning with the 'only coming from one side,' and they're too smart for that as a more general indictment on his coaching ability.

Yeah, use it to take out a loan. And now you're in a small market repaying a ~500M loan vs letting Nashville, an affluent city that was already bigger than Milwaukee as a market and growing faster than any other city, build one for you. I don't want to become the Milwaukee Sounds and watch AAA Baseball. Hell, I feel like I did that growing up as it was. Selig, Kohl, they were loyal to Milwaukee. They made a lot of money, but they made staying part of the sale. These owners, I doubt the City of Milwaukee is their priority. I wish they'd just kept the 5 county tax going to pay for all this. It didn't bother me in the least bit and it kept them around...

True...but Evers already wanted to fund the stadium, the GOP didn't NOT want to give them money, they thought the money should come with a longer lease agreement. So to oversimplify the situation, it seems like both sides agree on funding it, but...they each gotta win. If nothing else, it suggests to me this will get solved eventually when both sides can claim a victory. Just wish John Menard was a big baseball fan rather than racing. Get us a guy worth 10-20 billion and this wouldn't be an issue. Hell, we could extend Burnes, Woodruff...I was thinking Ohtani as well, but doubt he wants to give away half his total net worth on one player!

If he's upset, it's his fault. He did the Cards a huge favor by opting in. If he'd have opted out, he likely gets more money and the Rockies are off the hook for the additional 20M I believe for opting in? I'd have thought when he opted in, he would have at least gotten an extension from the Cards. Not a long one by any means, but at least tack on a year for saving them money both bidding against other teams and for the money the Rockies were chipping in. That trade was a steal for the Cards and baffling for the Rockies. But as has been pointed out, they "operate in their own little world."

So they could still give Letson almost 675K in this hypothetical to stay under the 5%? Letson would be the perfect cherry on top to this draft.

LOL...no, absolutely nothing like Perez. First of all, I don't know which is more ridiculous, calling Perez a "waste of resources," or comparing him to Chourio. And he was never "the next big prospect." He was ONE player people talked about MAYBE becoming the next big prospect...and then he didn't while Chourio did. One actually produced and the other is STILL just a 20 year old and still young for his league, but he hasn't produced. The Brewers have only recently built facilities and become players in the IFA market. What, 2017 after penalties for Lara? But I'm really not sure how Chourio and Perez get mentioned in the same sentence when talking about return on investment. De La Cruz is 22 months older than Chourio. He was hitting .269/.305/.477/.782 and 5 HRs at the same age as Chourio...but he was in Low A. Go and take a look at the top prospects and see how do jumping to AA? Chourio is maintaining his prospect status and more than holding his own. I'm genuinely curious what would make some people happy if they look at Chourio and Quero and say "complete waste of resources."

Yeah, no prospect has a "floor" of an All-Star. Especially at catcher. We had a guy not that long ago who was pretty young for AA...he was putting up a .360/.415/.560/.975 line. He had a huge arm. Not as polished defensively, but had big time tools. We ended up with an AS Catcher from the team he was on, but it wasn't him. Angel Salome asked to move to the OF due to anxiety IIRC and Lucroy who everyone slept on became an AS. That doesn't mean anything for Quero other than...we're jumping the gun quite a bit saying the WORST case is that he's an All Star in the future.

I like Orgeron, but the way you're saying this makes me think you don't think he's a good coach? I have no idea if he is or not, can't say that I watch any of his teams that closely. Seems like he's done a good job taking over talented team. USC, obviously his run at LSU was great...but that he was fired so quickly after is telling. I guess...he had been there for 3 years by then, so it was kind his team. I have watched Leonhard though and I think he'd have been great at UW in a similar way to how Fitz was great at NU. He probably couldn't have elevated them, but Fitzgerald kept them about as competitive as a program with those restraints would allow for. Leonhard would likely have gotten UW back to a double digit win team pretty regularly. I just never would have imagined a combo like Fickel and Longo coming in here. On LaFleur? Nah, I'm happy with him. At least what I've seen. We haven't really seen his whole offense yet, but I think it's been pretty good so far. He's had talent, but he's also had some obstacles. Meanwhile that defense has roughly 19 first round picks(actually 8 that should start) and the last two years it's taken half a year and MLF to publicly comment about how they need to play more aggressive before they start...occasionally playing less than 8 yards off the ball. Though they go back to that in the biggest spots! I was surprised Barry wasn't fired last year. But don't wanna go too deep into Packers talk here.

Not sure I'd refer to Hader as an "aging" reliever. He's 29. I also don't think his salary would be the issue. And I'd be all for an aging reliever to be added to this pen...so long as they didn't require a large haul. Joe Kelly would be a great addition IMO. You have team control for next year if he came in and threw like he's capable of throwing and he'd likely cost next to nothing in terms of prospects. The problem is, I don't even want to trade a player like Carlos Rodriguez(CF much less RHP). As for Kelly, Inflated ERA, but his peripherals still look pretty good. FIP around 3 the last two years despite the ERA. I don't think we'd even consider Hader if he wasn't a former Brewer. Pick up a guy like Grichuk, maybe Candelario...though even he may cost more than the Brewers are willing to give up.

Ok, first...yeah, it'd be GREAT to get Hader back. I don't think that bridge is burned...but to say it'd be "easy?" Just send 3 guys! It's like an informercial! It's as easy as that! The value has to be greater than what the Pads would get as compensation at the bare minimum. Hiura and 3 kids(or maybe you meant he was one of them) who they've called up and sent back down? I...such as? Luis Urias? You can't just cobble together MLB players the Brewers don't want and flip them to the Padres. As for the whoooole long "how to teach the Brewers hitters," I don't think a lack of knowledge in the Brewers organization is the problem. They've had good hitting coaches. Rowdy didn't just get figured out ~1750 PAs into the Major Leagues. He's simply struggling. He'll be fine...or he won't. I really don't know at this point. Firing the hitting coaches and finding someone who "teaches line drive hitting?" Like you? I'm sorry, but we've been through what, 4 hitting coaches(including the current 2) in the last how many years? The problem isn't the hitting coaches. The problem is Tellez is struggling, Wily was...looks like he's getting hot. Winker is apparently washed...though they're going to make damn sure before DFA'ing him. I mean, the LARGER problem is we're just not that talented offensively and the guys who are good hitters haven't been hitting well. And I don't care about Wiemer's stance. I don't care what a hitter does when the pitcher has the ball. I care if they're on time and in a good hitting position when the pitcher releases the ball, and Wiemer is on time. He's also a guy who probably should be just getting called up and needed more time in AAA but wasn't afforded that when Mitchell went down. Yelich? You think he's figured something out the last 10 games? He's been outstanding since May. And his approach has never really changed. It's clear he's feeling better this year(based on how he's running, his bat speed, even how he's throwing...the back is clearly better). https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=yelicch01&year=2023&t=b I'd also LOVE to have 3 guys hitting .300. Problem is there are like 5 guys in the entire NL hitting over .290. So that seems like it's a biiit unlikely. Bottom line, these guys are Big League hitters. Guys who've had a lot of success in most cases and changing hitting coaches isn't a magic fix. A guy who's ACTUALLY seemingly gotten it going over the last ~10 games would be Adames. Hitting over .300 with an OPS ~1.100 and 4 HRs in his last 10. Maybe you confused him and Yelich? I don't know, but I do know there isn't some fix by just hiring SOMEONE who teaches "line drives."

Wow...I'm glad they were able to flip Johnson. That was quicker than I thought. I'm skeptical that he's going to be able to Wrestle and play FB at UW, but probably won't hurt for the first year and should be great for his motor. But as far as NU, they're just in about as bad of a spot as a program can be in. I understand that a lot of players commit because of position coaches or who recruited them, the school itself, etc...but having uncertainty about the HC is a killer. One recruit leaves, you wonder how many others may follow, and that's without even considering who you're currently recruiting. Plus you're entire program is stuck in place for a year until they find out who the HC will be and who's going to be retained on the staff long term. I've seen Leonhard's name attached to NU. That's plausible and would be a massive win for them IMO. I don't think he's in a hurry to jump into a new position, but who knows. He wanted to be a HC. NU is somewhat similar to Madison as they've got high academic standards, it's at least close so it's not like you're moving your family across the country and he'd be familiar with the B1G and many of the recruits. That really would be a home run for them. Though as a Packers fan, I'm still hoping he's the next DC there...one more year, Bucky wins back the Axe and they borrow it to LaFleur to drop it on Joe Barry.

It can also be a year if you go to a Juco or 2 years if you're an older prep arm, but to your point, Jaden Noot I don't think ever really got into discussions with the Brewers, seemingly made his decision to go to LSU immediately last year and then...surgery, out for the year. Missed out on a year of development. He's still got two years left to get back on the mound and build up value. Jurrangelo Cijntje is another guy. They ended up with roughly 300,000K and change away from going over the 5% of their bonus pool. So he could have signed for roughly 425,000 last year and like Noot, seemingly never considered it. Now he looks like he'll be a draft eligible Soph as a 20 year old Freshmen at Miss State, but he was the Bulldogs Friday Night Starter early on in the SEC season after having a solid start to the season...and he got banged around pretty badly. And it's not like LSU did the damage, it was nearly every outing once SEC play began where he was walking 5, giving up 5ERs or more. I'm not suggesting either won't get picked up again. I actually think the nature of the draft makes College pitchers prime targets in rounds 5-10, especially for the Brewers the last couple years where they signed several for less than 100K or a little over 100K, but he likely passed up ~400K without really considering it(IIRC, both he and Noot announced almost immediately they were going to honor their College commitments). It's also worth noting Cijntje was racking up the strikeouts, so he has plenty of swing and miss, but he's a guy in particular that may have been best served turning pro and working with in the Brewers pitching lab. These kids are also competitors and extremely confident, or they wouldn't be sought after to begin with, so they're betting on themselves to go to these programs and thrive, but that's just clearly not always the case. I saw he matched up with fellow former unsigned picked Hunter Hollan and Holton from Ark and Vandy respectively. Hollan ended up going 76th to Cincy I believe while Holton has been very solid at Vandy and projects as of now, to be a top 20 pick according to some sites(though Cijntje is ranked as high as 65th from what I've seen for the 2024 draft). So it's just such a mixed bag. I take your point, but I think even the talented prep arms that slide due to singability concerns will likely hear their name called again and get a shot in 2-3 years as long as they've got at least ONE pitch a team thinks they can build on. Look at the Brewers last few drafts.

Yeah, I understand signability and all that, I'm saying it's strange to me a highly ranked prep arm(or rated high enough) fell to the 11th round despite being considered "relatively signable." It was more of a rhetorical question, just seems like if he was open to signing and didn't have strong demands...he'd have gone earlier. He wasn't a top 50-100 prospect, so he likely knew he'd go between rounds 4-6? Just slot for the 179th pick would be ~350K. That's 200 vs the bonus? Or he was rated 105 by McDaniel, 205 by Perfect Games... I don't know, that's what I'm saying..."relatively signable," is kinda meaningless. It kinda all depends on where he thought he was gonna go, but he seems excited about getting drafted and I kinda get the feeling from this article that he may be open to signing; https://www.newsandtribune.com/sports/baseball-floyds-letson-expected-to-be-selected-in-mlb-draft/article_d9fa079c-1d16-11ee-90a9-cf1b96afca51.html

"Considered relatively signable." I don't even know what that means. Why does a kid drop to the 11th round if he's signable? Anyway...I like it. I like all prep arms later on(or early for that matter).

He's been talked about in here on the thread titled something like "14 too early to commit," along those lines. Seems as though the Brewers are still the favorites to sign, but there's a lot of controversy regarding the family(1.6M). It's not a big deal as it's two signing periods away, but the larger point is we're a player for these guys. We're scouting 13 year old kids which I have fundamental problems with, but until we can find a better in Latin America, someone's gonna do it. https://www.archysport.com/2023/05/hyl-baseball-academy-denounces-alleged-scam-by-father-of-talented-prospect/ It's still a ways away, so it's not really important, but this is a 13 year old kid here. It's not hard to see he's got talent.

-That seems like it's pushing it to me. If you wanted to throw him out of the pen, he could be another absolute weapon from the pen. But obviously that'd mean he failed. I also look at hit Futures Game and think back to when Pedro came out firing in the ASG. He came to make a point...and he absolutely did, but that was him just letting it rip for 20 pitches and giving max effort. Not that these are knocks or negatives at all. I think the way things are trending, the Brewers likely aren't a contender next year assuming they make the trades they should, so it wouldn't make sense to use him out of the pen. The goal should be to get him to ~85-90IP this year, ~120 the following year and THEN in '25 he gets the call at some point. I see a full year there he could be a Greyson Rodriguez type pitching prospect on that timeline. I think the futures game showed that he was a man amongst boys in ONE inning of maximum effort relief, but he WAS among boys and not the men. So I'm not diminishing it at all, just saying if he becomes the pitcher we want, it's likely gonna take a bit longer for him to get there. In fact, I really wouldn't be surprised to see the Brewers with 3 top ~12-15 prospects and then 3-4 more top 100s with Black, Frelick still eligible and then it's up in the air. It could be Lara, Guillarte(I'm a big believer)....Yophery Rodriguez could have some huge helium at this point next year. It just seems like we've graduated several guys and several more are coming in the near future with Gasser, Frelick, Black, but then after that, by the time Quero, Chourio, Misiorowski reach the big leagues, you'll have the last class 18 months closer to the big leagues and some big time talent coming out of that group(I know, this is a bit obvious). You just see HOW crazy it seems to think we were missing in the IFA market. Just take those players out and we're pinning ALL of our hopes on...Brown Jr becoming a starting caliber player rather than just developing him ALONG with Guillarte, Areinamo, Barrios, Ereu, Di Turi, etc...etc... We've NEED Wiemer/Frelick/Mitchell to become stars or elite players rather than having them just fill their roles and Chourio, Yophery Rodriguez, Lara, Carlos Rodriguez and several others. Matthew Wood would be our best hope for a catcher I guess? I'm not articulating this as well as I'd like, but when we had Weeks, Prince, Hardy, Hart all coming up...that's when lived and died by the draft and the draft alone and ANY misses there meant we had gaps. Larger gaps in development that we don't seem to currently have. We had ELITE prospects and then not much else. And to the credit of Jack Zduriencik, he hit on a lot of picks, but there's no margin for error and it showed in a team that was flawed and built on the back of several top 5-10 picks. For all the Twitter ******** about the FO and Attanasio, it's hard to not be REALLY excited about where this system is in every facet. MLB ready, high end prospects hitting, young toolsy players performing well(or even guys with tools yet to perform well like Hedbert)...and then an outstanding draft with 4-5 really good picks who will have a chance and a rumor we've already agreed with one of the top IFA prospects. It's not the Dodgers yet, it's not the Padres(in terms of finding talent, they squander it due to absolutely zero patience) or the Rays, but I feel like we're trending in that direction. We're a long ways away yet...but that general direction!

I guess in a paragraph heaping praise on him, I assumed nobody would take the claim seriously as it's SO outrageous(I don't even think the actual poster who questioned him suggested he sabotaged the Brewers).

A guy that can shut down the run game and hit like he is at AA? Developing a catcher like that is at least as difficult as developing a true ace, right? I look at Hiem from the Rangers. He's 28 years old and this year is an outlier, but it looks like what Quero is capable of. I think it makes Corner OFers "less valuable," but if you have a guy like Chourio who may end up in LF only because Mitchell or Wiemer are SO good defensively, I guess it takes away some value, but I don't know. The best part...we don't have to choose! We get both. I think within this thread people have gotten a bit too down on Frelick regarding his rankings. He's just had a bit of a bumpy year for a guy who hit the ground running and has elite bat control, speed, defense. But I would put Chourio as a top 5 prospect, Quero in the top 10-15 and then Misiorowski in the top 25. Frelick with his high floor is still a top `30-40 prospect in my opinion(not factoring in this draft class as I believe the top 5 picks will all be top 30). I really think there's a chance the Brewers best days under Mark A are ahead of them. Get this class into the system, likely deal Burnes, Adames, Woodruff unless he comes back and is 100%, his future is a bit muddier, but I think it'll be an exciting young team. One similar to the team we're currently battling for first place.

I guess you really do NEED the blue font on here. That was so ridiculous, I honestly didn't think about having to state it was sarcasm. I was ALSO being sarcastic about Attanasio being too cheap...while I talked about him expanding the scouting department and building facilities in Latin America to be clear.

When have the Brewers ever chosen the higher upside guy with much more team control over the most expensive player with less team control? Hope we get 2 more years out of Contreras, get a monster AS season with improved defense and you pick up a couple top 100 picks for him as you can slide Quero right in there. I'd personally hold on to Carintini for a while just because he's such a perfect compliment to pretty much any catcher you have. I mean...it's not ideal to have him function as a DH, but that's just the state of the 2023 Brewers. For all that David Stearns has done to sabotage the Brewers in service of the New York Mets, I will forever appreciate how he revamped our Latin American scouting and development(with the help of that SUPER cheap Mark Attanasio investing in it)...expanded the domestic scouting and then started to make a pretty stark change in their drafting ideology with the Turang, Frelick, Black types to add less high K rate players. So good luck with the NYM, love the scouting Dept and please, leave them alone! Pillage the Astros dept.