BrewerFan

No, this is information ONLY you are privy to. And this is the first time ownership has included money in a trade to increase the return for prospects? Man...that is wild! Cohen just out here doing things that nobody knew you were allowed to do! The Rockies definitely didn't do that with Arenado! You DO make a good point though with regard to entirely different sports like CFB or the NFL where the Coaches make massive sums of money. The Denver Broncos and their ownership group which does not have the financial resources the Mets either from being in a sport where a team makes SIGNIFICANTLY more money, nor does that ownership group have...say 60B dollars(they own this little family story Waltmart or something like that). But them paying Sean Payton a record number DEFINITELY means it's a guarantee that the Mets will pay outrageous salaries for their POBO, a GM(who is apparently going to leave to work under Stearns again) and they'll pay 5M for our top Scout. The only question now is where can I lay down that bet? Is that with you or is this with someone else? Or are you just once again being ridiculously over the top and hyperbolic?

Really? Where can I do this? I don't see it on Fan Duel or any other sites, but I'd LOVE to put some money on that! A POBO making...20 MILLION dollars! Did he? Or did he just do what a WHOLE lot of teams have done and pay off part of a players existing salary? You do get he actually SAVED money in this move, right? Me. I say it. And I'm stating it as an absolute fact just as you have with...ALL your other nonsense. To be clear, the Mets are going to spend roughly what it'll take to sign Burnes long term in order to hire a POBO, GM and our director of Amateur scouting? Ya know, the thing you really have to ask yourself is...why would Cohen want Stearns? I mean, they spend 350M, nearly 500M with the luxury tax...and given the fact that Stearns was working with and talking to Stearns(proof being his firm paid a fine for insider trading ~20 years ago)...and now they're awful. Why would they even want Stearns?

I did not see that and that is really incredibly ridiculous to me. We're very reactionary. I'm sure there were a lot of fans writing Burnes off after '19 season.

Hardy is another guy who struggled early...though I'm not sure Turang is a better defender than Hardy. Hardy was an elite defensive SS, GGer and actually reminds me a bit of Willy in how he plays. Great first step and a cannon on him.

This is the type of pitcher I was picturing based on your description. The odds are always against a 20 year old kid turning into an ace, but they're a WHOLE lot higher when that kid has potential ace like stuff! This kid looks nasty!

It sounds like you're saying most people, not because you knew there would be people who were "overly attached to a 19 year old with 190 PAs in single A," but rather because you wanted to express your...general pessimism over the quality of the player we got back. And why we were "overly attached?" Because I said I'd miss Guilarte? I mentioned him on more than one occasion as a player in particular I'd NOT want to see traded as those are the exact type of prospects who are 1-underrated due to their age, and 2-Who have very high ceilings due to their particular sets of tools. But sure, there's a small group of people paying attention to these prospect(though I still find the "overly attached" to be a bit backhanded or snide).

Not many people would miss a 19 year old hitting .310/.410 his first season in full season ball with plus speed, a plus arm, with an advanced glove who's a SS, but can play 3B and 2B due to his quickness, glove and arm? I suppose if the people who wouldn't miss him don't really pay attention to our farm system. Would you also not miss Yophery Rodriguez? He's...what, 26th? Looks like he COULD easily be the next player to have meteoric rise? I guess some people just look at the ranking and some look at the tools, age and how they're performing while factoring those two things into the equation. Guilarte was exactly the type of player I did NOT want to see traded for a mediocre prospect.

Carlos Rodriguez would be another option. I think he's the 2nd most likely option. I like Isaac Collins as well. Not as guy you put on the 40, but...just feel like he could be a better version of Jace Peterson potentially. Though Peterson was an outstanding defensive 3B and he's not playing 3B. I wonder if he gets the bump to AAA now? Let him see some more advanced pitching and get an idea if he can be part of this team in the future. We seem to have a wealth of good utility players, but the dude walks a ton without striking out much.

You're upset about the principle of things surrounding money? That's pretty much all of life. This is a strange comment to me. Now...with regard to the Brewers, I have absolutely no doubt the Brewers could and would have added salary. They tried trading for Eloy Jiminiez, but the White Sox, who wanted Jackson Holliday for Dylane Cease, were almost certainly asking for a massive haul in return. The ~140 in total payroll the Brewers are sitting at right now does not represent some cheap owner just pocketing the money like Robert Nutting. But there are also just realities about what the Brewers can spend. I wish to hell that MLB had more foresight or owners in the large markets willing to sacrifice some earnings for the good of the league as a whole. I suspect MLB would be doing much better if you had the fiscal parity you have in the NFL...but we are where we are and things aren't changing. So unless Menard buys the team and decides he doesn't care about money(which is generally NOT how you become worth ~20B dollars)...this isn't changing.

I don't think this was a salary dump at all. I think they were just looking forward, knew Urias would likely be non-tendered and tried to get something for him. You're saving 1.5M? That's nice, but I don't think that was really the impetus behind it.

I would be all for it...he's released, we don't have to pick up his salary. His Exit Velo, hard hit rate is pretty close to his career numbers. Hits LHPing well. Take a flier on him....if he chooses to come back and play for the Brewers. I get he's been terrible this year, but he was good last year and he provides versatility.

Ah...my bad. I was thinking of Willy. He's at ~8 WAR the past two years with the Brewers. I still think it's a bit odd they wanted MIF help but traded Urias away. I hope they at least thinking really highly of Blaylock rather than just moving off Urias.

I mean, we're past this now, but....you'd need a Dylan Cease like return(just using this deadline). I understand the forum is trying to create content, but it's just SUCH a terrible idea to trade away top young prospcts for a closer, much less probably the best catching prospect you've had since Surhoff(he was an elite prospect, but the rankings were so poor back then, I don't actually know how good he was)? For TWO months of Hader? Eric Brown Jr for Hader? Sure. Hader IS extremely valuable, but there is this myth that this Brewers team is in a situation like the Bucks. That we've got to go all in now and screw the future... That just doesn't make sense. It does for the Bucks to be clear, but the Brewers are building EXACTLY how you'd want them to! I've watched for years jealous of how the Dodgers, Rays, the Cards or whoever, they just KEPT churning out prospects and then, particularly in the case of the Cards, they took these marginal pitchers and they thrived for them. Corbin Burnes is outstanding...as is Woodruff. But Baseball is so much bigger than 2 players(even two catchers). Look at the Braves? THAT is how you build a winner. You bring up those elite young prospects and....when they're willing, you lock them up long term. You don't throw away nearly 14 years of team control for 2 months of it. And by the way, we really should start using 7 years of team control rather than 6. You're getting nearly 7 years. I don't care if David Green or JM Gold didn't hit, that's not a good reason to move your best young prospects(that's a carryover from another thread, not directed at the OP).

Yeah...I like Blalock a bit more, but they're just two fliers. I would have preferred to keep Urias as he's put up 8 WAR the last 2 years I believe, but for two guys in AAA who clearly didn't have futures with the Brewers, it's nice to add some depth. McKendry...there are certainly worse things than soft tossing pitchers with elite changeup's who don't have much upside, but can fill a role in your rotation. With Julio, Rea, Houser all in the rotation, that trade is a HR just because you didn't have to give up much for him. I like both. I'm not jumping for joy, but the way the Brewers churn out pitchers who were overlooked elsewhere...there's reason for optimism.

I'd send Turang down. Miller's a nice defender at 2nd, Turang's isn't hitting... The swing is nice, good bat skills, speed, defense, just seems to be pressing(like most of the team).

Yes, he's a very good player. He's not the type of player you trade Chourio, Quero, Misiorowski+ for. That player is...Soto from last year or...I don't even know who. We all know he's a very good player. It's an absurd trade though.

So exactly how do YOU come up with your valuations? LOL...in what world do you think the Brewers would trade Chourio ALONE for Kim...and that's before you double down on the absurd and throw in Quero or Misiorowski. There's a very good reason this is the deal that "Nobody is talking about." It's because...it is ridiculous. This very much feels like Clancy, but the exact opposite.

I'm still genuinely in awe the Brewers haven't given Hiura another shot. A new stance, new swing. Looks like he's on time. He has to be a little bored at AAA, but he's more than earned another shot given Winker has been our DH and when he's not, it's often been Cartini. It's really just inexcusable. Lets say he "only" puts up a 750 OPS and strikes out 40% of the time. THAT is a massive upgrade on Winker.

I don't think either is going to require top prospects. I'd think Oakland would be the type of team that'd have some interest in Zamora. A good defender who gets on base, has speed and can play SS, 2B and 3B. But again the problem I see is the Brewers are lacking the type of prospects teams are looking for that they'd be willing to part with. The top guys are off the table for a prospect like either of these guys. And then nobody wants to trade a guy like Baez or Yophery Rodriguez for a rental...just to watch them potentially climb through someone's system en route to to becoming a top 100 prospect. So it's Justin Jarvis, Freddy Zamora, maybe Carlos Rodriguez(CF), Ethan Small...who likely has little value.

Rooker is a 28 year old who's hitting for the first time though. That makes me a bit skeptical. Not that you're going to find a perfect player on the market.

I'm guessing the thinking would be a competitor like Woodruff wouldn't be able to help it and push it vs either team. More adrenaline, reaching back for a bit extra before he's all the way back, stressing the shoulder when he's NEARLY ready...seems like the risk outweighs the reward. Gasser on the other hand...I guess the thought has to be about the rule 5 and how much a start now is worth vs putting him on the 40 man? There's a lot more to balance than just calling up the best available. Maybe that's why Jarvis was pulled from his start. Incase they needed to over some innings.

I remember there were a lot of Brewers fans who liked Jackson...not that it ever came to fruition, but also that the D-backs paid a steep price. It wasn't just Scherzer, Schlereth looked like he was going to be a really nice BP arm as well. I'm starting to wonder if the Dodgers have dominated the NL West more because the teams around them seem to make so many stupid trades...the Padres in their desperation haved traded a full roster of young, controllable talent away for expensive talent, the Rockies...as one exec put it, "live in their own wolld," and the D-backs, probably the best run team, they've made their far share of head-scratching moves as well. The D-backs and Rox seem to aim their ire at the NL Central, but the Padres are equal opportunity idiots. The Giants seem run well enough. Even when Sabean was there and making what seemed like suspect deals, there at least seemed to be a method to their madness of acquiring aging veteran, but it worked.

I'm find with moving him to AAA, I just don't think THAT is necessary. Let him put up silly numbers, keep him in a place he's comfortable and...just unleash him on the Southern League. I'm not sure when the AA and AAA playoffs are, but if Nashville makes the post-season, move him up then, but I honestly don't think it matters. I think it's good for him to just...crush AA pitching for a while. Especially if we're all thinking sometime around next June(or earlier if they actually can pull off the big extension right away). I just don't think you're pushed more from AA to AAA. The big jumps are AA and AAA. I don't really have much conviction in that opinion however. I'll trust they do what's best for him...but again, if that means he's not up until 2026, then something has gone VERY wrong beyond just a higher that ideal chase rate.

Wow...that's wild. Maybe Giannis gets in on the professional Soccer craze and brings a team here! Mark A buys a team, Giannis loves the sport...hopefuly Jordan Love earns a payday where he can invest! I had no idea Milwaukee was such a Soccer city.

I'm just curious why you're stuck on him spending the whole season in AAA next year irrespective of what he actually does? How about this for a novel idea. We let him finish the year in AA, maybe promote him to AAA at the end of the year if they're in the playoffs or whatever. Start him in AAA next year and...see how he does. If he does as expected, and he's raking...and I think he will be, you promote him, try to extend him as you do with phenoms of his caliber. I don't understand why we'd structure this in such a contrived manner. If he's NOT hitting, then you DON'T promote him. It's pretty cut and dry. But this is just creating a problem where none exists. You just come out of it looking TERRIBLE if you're holding back the #1 or #2 prospect in all of baseball because...Jimmy Nelson? Prince, Weeks, Braun...so many players spend a year in AA, then ~2 months in AAA and get called up. How's that not the ideal outcome?