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Bakhtiari was as big of a loss as you could have had from that team OUTSIDE Rodgers. TB had that incredible pass rush. Jaire did what he could, but that sequence of plays at the end of the half just crushed us. There were two SB runs that were probably lost due to Bakh.

I don't think the trade request hurts him. I thought he should have come in and finished this game. If you could get a pick in the 60s, one of those comp picks, I'd be thrilled. I don't know the list of players who need to be added to the 40 or who are MiLB FAs, but maybe a package, try and get back a pick, that'd be a good idea. I don't see a position player that moves the needle, but if you could just reacquire a pick that you lost....or sure, I'd even take Yophery back. I was a big fan and he's struggling(not really a huge need, but you don't "need a need" when looking at a 19year old. Best case if he can go out there and go a few 3-4 inning outings, finish some games after a guy like Hall or whoever and maybe pitch well and move him in the next few weeks.

Little surprised how many are dismissing this out of hand due to small sample sizes of his BA. His salary, sure, but this is the same team that ate a big chunk if Arrenado's contract and don't exactly get maximum value in return. Have the Rockies eat 10M and maybe send them a guy like...IDK, Carlos Rodriguez? Hitting the ball harder, better launch angle, BABIP down ~50 points, very good defender at 3B and a 20 HR a year hitter. His struggling isn't a reason to not trade for him, it may be a reason to try and take advantage of his lower value and the poorly run Rockies. Carlos Rodiquez may actually require the Rox take back more. Maybe it's 14M. I don't know what the Rockies would do, but it's worth checking.

Pour 3 fingers, set the Glass down and take the bottle with me....and drink.

Damn it... watching the game with my Pops who's in town. I even called Bauers coming up and winning this with a 3R HR to start the inning...so I would have still been wrong, but...ya know, not as wrong. Alright, one game. Start another 8 game win Streak tomorrow.

Yeah, there's a strong argument for it. He may be the best pitcher in the game the next 4.5 years...which is how long you'd have him. People saying these packages would be overpaying, I gotta ask, in what context? For the Brewers or for the market? The trade I threw out there is a terrible move for the Brewers. It's insane. They've done all this to build what I think may be the best system in the game, but the question is what would his value be if you have to bid vs other teams. I think...I threw out a fair market value.

I think you could. I actually would rather go for say Pena and Letson over Misiorowski if I were the Pirates. I'd say a reasonable trade(given the market and precedent) would be; Jesus Made+Pratt+Edgar Quero+Wilken+Letson+Knoth...maybe Logan Henderson and add a Jose Anderson/Quintana type Brewers get Skenes+McCutchen I'm not sure that deal gets done and... for the record, McCutchen is just kinda a throw in and I don't know that he'd accept or if he has a NTC. I'm pretty sure he's dedicated to finishing his career with the Pirates, but you could definitely use him as a rental. We just got a real bad year from him. People who don't follow the Brewers real closely(which is most fans) would be thrilled with a move like this... but I think that would be insane. And that package may not even be enough. It IS possible you have to swap out one of the arms with Misiorowski. -We all know this is not going to happen, but Skenes is special. Just to pose a hypothetical, would ANYONE make this trade IF you could get Skenes to agree to a 10/180M deal with 2 options worth 35M a year? An extension worked out like you do in Football at times or even Baseball, I think it's happened. I don't see him signing an extension unless it's closer to fair market value. So 40M AAV for a decade+ but this is just a BS hypothetical.

Eovaldi was a FA. Peralta has over 1.5 years before he's a FA. That's the risk. He could end up in the same situation Burnes is in right now and...conceivably not earn any more money than what is already guaranteed in his contract. Going back to Baseball References similarities scores, the #1 match for Peralta at his age....Rich Harden. He was done. Again, I'm not advocating signing him or not, I was more making the point that this situation is as close to spending on a pitcher as we'll get. And I don't think we need to do it with Freddy, I think we are developing so many good arms that we're going to be fine(and we'll find a couple). But 5/125 feels closer to free market value than where we are right now.

I probably overshot it as I was trying to come up with a team friendly deal that...would also be acceptable to Peralta, not a fair market deal. So make it 4 and 60. If Flaherty is getting 17.5 as a FA, Peralta shouldn't be getting more with 1.5 years of team control. I don't like the Severino comp(I don't love either but I get they're just from BRef). The next deal I'd give a pitcher would be a guy like Gasser. Give him what Ashby got adjusted for inflation. Misiorowski, Henderson, I'd try extending most of them...and maybe we do. Signing them early is rare but can be a huge advantage for the team as we're currently seeing.

Perhaps if they were about 10 games better and a threat this year...it'd be a discussion. Burnes goes down... which hadn't happened when you posted this... and they want to make a run this year. Realistically, the Padres are the team that seems to just constantly trade away future studs to make a run at it. Imagine that team if they don't trade Soto or...I don't know, make most of the trades they made(and still spent the money they did). I'd love someone to make me an all Padres team. Speaking of which...there's another arm who'll be back. Probably not this year in a impactful way, possibly out of the pen, but he should be good to go for next year.

Sure... I would still keep doing it the way the Brewers have. Just hypothetically, if we'd signed Peralta to the same deal and he lost 12-14 months with TJ, it's still a good deal. Ashby...hasn't been a good deal, but there's still time for it to be and it's hardly crippling if it doesn't work out. The next level would be signing a guy like Peralta now or Burnes/Woodruff when they had 3 years to go. Buy out the first FA year and then you get a couple of Team Options. I think that's usually worth it IF the pitcher will agree, but that deal will cost a lot more. What would you give Peralta right now(I'm not advocating extending him, just hypothetically). A 4 year 80M dollar extension? 5 years 88M left? Probably favors the Brewers but...I'd pass I think. Free Agency? The Brewers aren't even in the discussion for a pitcher of that caliber, so it's kinda moot.

I like him...he's a good defender at 1B, he can play in the OF and it's always nice to have LHed bat off the bench. I'd have guessed a higher wRC+....maybe 110 but then he was pretty bad the early half of last year...I think.

Bauers

This isn't that big of a deal unless it comes with "forearm tightness," or something like that in the following days. He'd been dominating. He's taking the mound and pitching regularly. He's maintaining his velo late into games. I'm thrilled with how he's been throwing this year. Coming into this start, he was down to 3.3 BB per 9IP, he had a 7 start stretch in which he gave up just 2 single HRs. I was all on board with keeping him in AAA for the full year, but he was so dominant, I thought he may force his way into the rotation. But I think it's better if he spends the full year in AAA...or at least until Sept, if he's throwing well again, has his 120 innings in and we can use him in a multi inning role. Things could have gone a little better, but...it's been a REALLY good season thus far.

Really? You had "no idea" why I'd talked about Middleton and that statement sounded...."drunk?" And I was "going on" about Middleton's past injuries? This is it. The extent of what I said about his injuries. They were +16 with Giannis+Dame+Middleton+Lopez on the floor.

Oh, and I just found this amusing, but does anyone listen to "Steve the Homer True" anymore? He wants to trade Jackson Chourio because...he doesnt' walk enough and doesn't justify his salary as it could be better used on going out and adding a piece that can help right now. He even added...we'd have to kick in some salary(as if...quite literally EVERY team in MLB would not gladly take on that contract to take him). Now, the later part, fair critique...of a 21 year old budding super, he has not walked enough, he's chased a LOT. Pitchers have the book on him and it's up to him to adjust...as he did last year. Just an aside, off-topic but amusing. Also curious when he became a Milwaukee version of Skip Bayless, but, that's for another thread.

Yes, I agree. I think for the Brewers to get back into it, you'll need to lean on your pitching AND the 3 hitters who've been struggling getting hot and being ~900 OPS guys the rest of the way(Yelly, Chourio, Contreras). Maybe it's .865 or whatever, but the're all too good to struggle too much. Ortiz is as well. He's clearly better than the type of player he's been thus far. But you get Woody back, even throwing ~95(and I suspect he'll get back to 96-97 as the year goes on and it heats up, but he's a bulldog. Civale helps, Carlos Rodriguez, Henderson and then Misiorowski late in the year will help. But I don't want to trade Mears and I don't want to trade Megill. A good rotation and an overwhelming bullpen, defense and just enough offense... And if I'm wrong and those pieces aren't coming together by the ASB...well, then sure. We have Uribe, we have guys like Hardin, we have other pitchers who can step up and step in down the road for, but make them overpay for it if we reach that point. Just the idea of a healthy Hall coming in and taking over for Myers or Priester, whoever...if they're just not on, going 2-3 innings. You have Mears, Koenig, Uribe, Ashby to mix and match until Megill. That's the formula..and we're not on course right now, but I still like this team and I'd viewed this year as when our "window" with this next group kinda starts to open and I even think you could get contributions from guys like Tyler Black.

Seriously? This is now the argument? You were talking about how it made PRE-arbitration players more expensive. Now it's about how the best players in pre-arbitration will make more money when they get to arbitration(as if that...hasn't ALWAYS been the case). But no, that money does NOT impact their contracts or their arbitration timelines. It's just a bonus pool handed out to players who win awards or perform the best from that year. It doesn't change anything once you get to arbitration... If a player wins an MVP in the first three years, he's going to start arbitration higher. Now under the current system, he's going to get money from the bonus pool. That's not costing the Brewers more money than it would have otherwise(beyond the 1.67M they pay into the pool). Ok...so then it DOES have something to do with the inflation of the top players salaries? Odd that you argued that point initially, but...there we go. We agree now. Yup. I'm...apparently missing that because I'm not upset about the variety? That makes absolutely no sense, but sure. And if they DIDN'T offer that variety, you'd bemoan the lack of effort to generate revenue. I don't even know what point you're attempting to make here. People go to the games, they sell things every game. What's the problem? What on Earth are you ACTUALLY complaining about? Then prey-tell, why don't you share your revenue generating ideas? I can see why this would be upsetting to you😉 And by that do you mean NOT spend time making contradicting arguments while bemoaning the market size that will invariably limit the Brewers revenue compared to the top teams? Yeah...I....I guess I will keep doing that.

Lets stop even bringing up Ty Cobb's name when it come to racism in general. It seems like outside of a drunk writing a fictional book, his family and he were both...the antithesis of racists. He defended a young black mascot for the Tigers on the road, met with Jackie when he was allowed to play(he advocated for integration)...his family had a history of fighting for black men's rights. His Grandparents were abolitionists(though mine were...pretty racist, so that's not the most compelling I suppose). There's a lot of other anecdotal evidence that suggests Al Stump just made up most of the stories. The beating of a black bellhop. I also realize the point was simply made that during the ERA in which he(and Reggie) played there was a great deal of racism... which is clearly true, but it doesn't feel accidental that Ty Cobb is mistakenly used as the poster boy for it when you could more easily argue he was well ahead of his time.

He did a really bad job of throwing those games.

Oh...I'm sorry. See, now I thought there WAS room for an opinion in discussing a hypothetical. My mistake. Yeah, they were losing by 3 points in the 1st quarter and had the ball in the game he went down. Not exactly "Losing badly," they were down by 2 points with 2:30 to go in the first game of the series he played....not exactly "getting clobbered." But hey, if it's your OPINION that being Down by 2 with 2:30 in Game 2(the 1st game of the series Dame played) and down by 3 when Dame got hurt is "losing badly," who am I to deprive you of your opinions. He was injured to START the series, so I kinda thought the whole "if healthy" thing was...obviously based on opinions(which there are no room for here I guess)... They also lost another game with him when they were up 7 with ~40 seconds left. So if I'm counting right, that's 3 games that were close, two with a STILL injured but playing Dame. So that's 3 games. Yes, I'm aware. But I did. See... was my opinion....which I couched by also agreeing with you that when you build an older roster, that's an inherent risk. But being as Lillard didn't play the first game and they were decidedly NOT "getting clobbered" when he went down and then given what happened to the Celtics, it seems like a moot point, but...kinda my apologies on thinking there...was "room for opinion."

I'm not sure about that. If they'd have just kept Middleton and then stayed healthy, the way things have worked out, I think it's entirely possible they could have won the East. The Pacers are no juggernauts and the Knicks are good, but...again... But Middleton was consistently hurt and we weren't healthy(part of roster construction as you pointed out). Look at Boston though. They looked like they had a 3-4 year run on their hands and now they lose in 6 and next year is a lost year as well. They may win 50 games, but...Jrue is old, Horford older, Porzingas injury prone. White and Brown. Two good players and closing in on 500M in roster costs.

Likely? I don't think they're as good as Houston...despite their awful OL and the Colts are talented. I hated that trade for the Jags. If they win the division it's because it's just a weak division, but they're not a good team. Hunter is really good, but I don't like trading up unless you're close to being a contender or it's for a REALLY good QB. The Browns are probably as likely to be picking atop the draft next year, so...fine, DT, OL, +1st and they got other picks as well. The only WR I'd consider moving up for like that would be Smith from OSU and he's not coming out until '27. But with 2 1sts, they can keep adding picks for future years and assuming they're picking 1st next year....which I would not count out, they could have enough to actually make a move when Arch and Smith come out in '27(assuming Manning is A-Good enough and B-Actually stays at UT for 2 more years). It at least appears as though they have a plan to build something.

Oh my! WHAAAT! We're in a small market! No!!!!! Has this EVER been disputed on this board by anyone? Everyone on this board has already acknowledged this and was having a bit more of a nuanced discussion about the spending in Baseball and how it's grown from the Yount, Molitor days when you claimed the Brewers also couldn't spend on more than 1 or 2 players(but they could) and the inflation in salaries that you said...didn't exist. I'm not even sure what you're saying right now other than the sky appears to be blue. Of course it's a small market. Green Bay is also a small market. Right...or I fundamentally disagree with you. Yeah...no. Starting backwards, the 50M dollar pool that each team pays 1.67M dollars into is what you're claiming raises the "salaries" of young players and funnels talent from the have nots to the haves? THEY'RE GETTING PAID OUT OF THE POOl. It's not doing ANY of that. Expanded playoffs are BAD...because depth is more important and as such...teams with money benefit? You're clearly arriving at a conclusion and working backwards. Here is the FULL extent of the argument that can be made that the 2022 CBA "Hurt" small market teams(if you're paying attention). The large market teams who pay into revenue sharing... each team contributes 48% of its local revenues—such as income from regional television contracts, ticket sales, and local sponsorships and they pool that money and distribute it. Those teams were complaining that there were other teams who were not spending that money and the luxury tax jumped up from 210 to 230 and then small increments. 233, 236...etc... They ALSO added two more thresholds to penaltize the top spending teams including the "Cohen" Tax, but that's the full extent of it. Trying to add on "higher salaries for pre-arbitration players," is...either you don't know where the money was coming from or you were being intellectually dishonest. The MOST it can cost a team is...again, 1.67M and it's not "funneling" young talent from the "haves to the have nots." Softening rebuilds with a lottery has nothing to do with large or small markets. It's a draft lottery. It's trying to get rid of tanking. Yeah, I don't need to ask myself why the Brewers and literally every other team in pro sports are trying to generate revenue via jersey sales. It's self explanatory and in absolutely no way addresses how the Brewers are "horrible" at marketing and have no heritage. As I said, that's such a silly thing to zero in on that it's not even worth debating, but NOW you're asking me why the Brewers try and sell different Jersey's? So is that them being horrible at their job or not? So...I guess they shouldn't be trying to sell jersey's because... I don't know, I've lost your point in here. It's a bad thing to try and sell 12 different uniforms, something you apparently believe is unique to the Brewers but also, they've exhausted all avenues to make money(which would infer they're doing a good job, but again, I'm just trying to follow this argument here). I'm honestly not sure what point you're making at the end of this.

Yeah...I don't know about that. Maybe because he was SOO much tied to Milwaukee. But to go to the Cubs? The...Cubs? C'mon...really?