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Has a Urias as the centerpiece trade been suggested?

And Aubrey was a 28-year-old "rookie," who was a failed Soccer player who was working as a computer Engineer. I don't know that they should have stuck with Carlson. I thought they should have and then the last kick...well, that's on him, but I think you could make a strong argument. Keep in mind he's kicking in Denver and he was ~55% from his career from 50+. Denver certainly helps add a couple yards to your FG%. Mason Crosby was juust slightly better(and then he gets bonus points for the additional 55 and then 2 53 yard FGs in the final 2 minutes vs Dallas, one of which was negated by a late TO, but still pure). I think of Crosby as good, reliable, good bad-weather kicker...not necessarily a great long-distance kicker. But, he has been good from 40-49. Still...really wish we could have seen Carlson with a better holder for a year, but oh well...

Downstairs in the old Gym that was narrow and about 90 degrees? I spent a lot of time down there in the Summers and Winter Break with Schmitz, Matt Abad, and I forget the other guy(short stocky guy from Baraboo). I wonder what he was doing down there...Billy Kumphrey maybe? Was this the early 90s? Anyway, Lee Kemp is a great man, and one of the best athletes that nobody really knows outside of Wisconsin and even in Wisconsin, he's not well known. The first 4X NC should have been Lee Kemp in the late 70s(instead it was Pat Smith who IIRC did it in the late 80s/early 90s). But Lee Kemp, who only started Wrestling because he didn't make his Basketball team and was 11-8 as a Soph in HS, won 2 State Titles, then went into the Badgers, Wrestled as a True Freshmen and was a "Referee's decision" vs Iowa's Chuck Yagla in the NCAA Finals from winning a Title as a Freshmen. A Referee's decision was the lamest possible way to decide a match. It was just...the 3 refs voting on who should win. 2-1 Yagla despite Kemp having taken all the shots and attacking more(which was mostly the criteria, but in reality, it was based on seniority...Kemp was younger and that's it). He would go on and be 1140-0-1 or something the following 3 years. Had he redshirted(as would have been expected)...again, probably the first 4X undefeated National Champ, not Cael Sanderson. But, that same 18-year-old Lee Kemp that lost as a Freshmen to an Iowa Wrestler ended Dan Gable's career at the Northern Open. Gable, 25, Wrestled in the '72 Olympics and was dominant. He didn't give up a point in the Olympics and won matches like 18-0, 26-0. This was when a Takedown was worth 1 point and you didn't have tech falls. The only Wrestler who was unscored upon in the Olympics at that time. Now you have tech falls, so 10 point lead and it's over. Gable won his World Title, his Olympic and then, stopped. Went into coaching, but he was still the best in the world. You didn't make money Wrestling back then...and while you don't make a ton now, a guy like Jordan Burroughs, he's made millions(like...a good Kicker millions, not a good QB, this is why guys go into the UFC like Bo Nickal). Kemp would win the World Championships in '78, '79 and '81. Something missing in there. The Olympic Title. The US famously boycotted in '80 when he was the overwhelming favorite. Then in '84, the Soviets, the dominant Wrestling powerhouse boycotted and you had like 6 Gold Medalists, a couple silver. It was really watered down. Like MLB if you took all the Latin American's out of the sport. But Kemp was a GREAT dude. I got to know him up at the University of Madison as a young kid. First in different National Tournaments when he'd help "coach" the Wisconsin team and then up at Madison getting ready for Junior Nations, saw him a bit in College. Also would see him later as he was coaching his kid Adam. Saw him a couple years ago at the NCAA Wrestling Championships. I said, "you look like you could still get out there," he looked at me with a smirk and said, "Oh yeah, feel like it," then said, "you don't." LOL... I'm not sure he knows my name without being reminded, he's the type of guy who helps everyone but...he is an incredible man and a personal hero of mind. He really SHOULD have been the first 4X NCAA Champ and if they would have redshirted him, he'd have been the first 4X undefeated NCAA Champ, not Cael Sanderson. Incidentally, there was a kid from Arrowhead last year who lost in the finals, Mitchell Mesenbrink. He was undefeated wrestling in weight with TWO Two-Time Champs(one was another Hartland Arrowhead kid Keegan O'Toole). He lost a 9-8 match that was 8-8 but the other kid had riding time and he didn't realize it. Not a given he'll win 3 titles, but damn near a lock. He was just dominant last year as a Freshmen. Of course, the biggest threat is on his own team. Anyway, I should say SOMETHING about Wisconsin Football in here. On the UW Football Team is Dillan Johnson, an absolute TANK of a human being. Wisconsin Prep Wrestling has arguably been the best in the Country for the past 3-5 years and they've had several kids win U-17, U-20, or U-23 World Titles.

I'm not sure they'll have a roster spot left once they bring his Kentucky Derby buddy out of retirement! Randall, suit up, Rodgers is re-booting the New York Packers! It's funny to me that there are so many people who DON'T think Rodgers is the one who's pulling the strings. If Brett Goode ends up in NY as their Long Snapper...just fire Joe Douglas!

Ok, after the incredibly long posts that basically just say...Packers would be really good if they traded a lot for Maxx Crosby or Myles Garrett, a more realistic trade if the Packers feel like Quay and Cooper are better as a Sam and a Will, Devin Lloyd makes sense. Jax has young LBers who may be as good as Lloyd(if nothing else, they're younger and the 1-5 Jaguars get more draft picks; Cooper looks like a star just playing free and attacking. A lot has been asked of Quay but they can go play more aggressive and free and Lloyd can take on the blocks and play in the middle. Maybe we find that Quay or Cooper can become edge rushers on 3rd down? https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/devin-lloyd/58238?season=2023 https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/5-jaguars-who-could-land-on-the-trade-block-01ja47x7hk77

They're rare and...I'll just preface this by saying that I think Dexter Lawrence is off the table. The Giants are really building something special with their defensive front and it's all built off him...but I never really thought he was going to be traded, that was more a hypothetical. The other two teams are 1-5 though...so there's a chance they could be traded. Maxx Crosby and Myles Garrett are a little more likely to be traded. The Raiders are waiving the white flag and the Browns are in one of the worst positions I've ever seen a franchise in. What they need to do is strip that roster for parts...and they could stack up 4-5 1st/2nd rd picks for guys like Garrett, Ward, Newsome, Wills, Teller. They're 1-5 and they're stuck with Watson, a terrible signing/trade for multiple reasons, right now just on the Football side, they were competitive with Baker and they threw that away for a dirt bag. Garrett is 29 years old, they have ~45M in cap space, they could clear his salary, do the same with Ward a couple others, sit one more year with Watson on the bench and then eat that massive cap hit after next year and try and start over with a younger core. Crosby is in a similar situation. He's expressed a desire to play for the Lions and...that really makes all the sense in the world right now. They have a lot of cap space, they replace Hutchinson this year and then when Hutch is back next year, they have one of the best edge rushing combos in NFL history. This trades happen...on occasion. Jalen Ramsey, Bradley Chubb, not quite as good. Brian Burns, the Panthers turned down two 1sts for him and then ended up getting less a year later. But I think there's about a 40% chance Crosby is traded, 20% chance Garrett is traded. I'm asking if you think the Packers should make a move for a player of THAT caliber. They could reunite with former Packer Za'Darius Smith. That'd be a temporary fix and doesn't really move the needle much. He's also not as good vs the run as either Crosby or Garrett(certainly not on the level of Lawrence). The prospect of getting a guy back who's better than Gary has ever been...and there are very few DL, interior or edge rushers who can say that and throwing them into this DL, I think that could change the face of this franchise. I think the offense is just going to keep getting better. Get Love in a grove(which he's been in). The OL is getting better and with Morgan, they'll continue to do so. Jacobs and Wilson have been great for those body shots. And we've still not come CLOSE to playing a clean game. Wicks drops, Musgrave has been banged up(and I still fully believe he will team with Kraft to be a great 1-2 punch at TE). The defense has played pretty well. The secondary has been outstanding. Getting Jaire and Valentine regularly is huge. The LBer play has been up and down, but you see what Cooper could do. But adding a DL like this is ALMOST like adding a Reggie type player. They are game wreckers and they're not that expensive cap wise. I see this team as a Super Bowl team and while those trades are rare, they happen. I think this team is really just a really good defensive front from being a SB contender and you'd get these guys for 3 years of their prime. That's worth the risk. Yeah, a little bit, but the need and draft spots haven't really lined up all that often. Chenal has been a guy I've been banging the drum for since he was at UW. He'd did have the best run stuff grade by PFF of any LB they'd EVER scouted behind only...Micah Parsons. He was a freak athlete. I think he'd be perfect at MLB for us with Quay and Cooper flanking him, but what would we have to give up? A guy like Doubs and a late rd pick? I think the Wisconsin thing is a little played up. I can't really think of too many guys who were on the board when we were picking I was banging the drum for. I was excited at the prospect of TJ Watt, but I did a poll on here the day after, did the Packers make the right move taking Kevin King(I think people forget what he looked like as a prospect. 6'2 and had insane testing and was physical at Washington) and getting the extra 4th to move back a few spots and still get the CB they NEEDED after lining Gunter up against Julio in the playoffs. I can't think of other guys who were there who were good fits. Taylor, great back, but we would have had to use a Rd 1 on him. Frederick, shocked me, but I don't think he'd have been a good Zone Blocking Center(perhaps a great Guard). Benton in the 3rd is a nice player, but a little early. It just hasn't lined up well on most cases(I'm very likely missing some good examples, but I feel like this is overblown, but I'm open to changing my mind there). Even Chenal, I was hoping we'd take him with a 2nd, but then you traded both for Watson and you took Quay and Wyatt. The one time you really passed on him was to take Rhyan, but you were in a 3-4 and had Quay and Campbell coming off an AP year. Then took Doubs, Tom. In hindsight, Chenal would have been ideal. Very possible if we don't take Quay early, we pick up Chenal...the only caveat being Leo isn't great in coverage. He could be a great fit right now on this Packers team. He can rush on 3rd down, he's got sideline to sideline speed and can block and shed really well(reminds me of Clay as a MLB but an even better LB, but very instinctive). I think is you really upgrade the DL with one of the players mentioned(Crosby or Garrett), you take a HUGE step in solving the LB issue, but, what the hell, we're so close IMO, we ruin the draft for Packers fans, trade 2 1sts for Maxx Crosby(and break Lions fans hearts and keep Hutch and Crosby from teaming up) and then we offer Doubs and a 5th Chenal and we're good. New starting Defense Maxx/Clark/Wyatt/Gary Quay Chenel Cooper . Jaire Bullard Stokes Xavier That's...a DOMINANT defense. Even if you don't get Chenal, you open up that DL, you give Gary one on one's. That SHOULD be the best DL in the NFL(though to be fair, it should be a top 5-8 DL). And you have LVN, Enagbare, Slaton, Brooks, Wooden, Smith rotating in. You have Valentine, Nixon, Ballentine, Evan Williams and all types of looks you can give. I think that trade or trades make the Packers the most talented/best team in the league. Crosby brings an attitude with him that players just feed off of and Garrett is so cheap cap wise and so dominant...again, probably won't happen, but we know how much emphasis Gute puts on Edge rushers, I have no doubt he'd be willing to trade two first to guarantee an All-Pro. Again, it's incredibly unlikely to happen(Chenal may be more unlikely than Crosby as he's a key piece of the KC defense is now...and they have some reason to believe they've got a shot at the SB this year😉) but if you really need a Mike Backer, Devin Lloyd from Jax could be another option. Another 1-5 team...that's a 3rd player who can drop in coverage and rush the passer. That could be an even better fit. I think Detroit is almost certainly going to offer more. They're as close as they've been and Crosby coming back to Michigan is too good of a story and a fit and I suspect Cleveland will hold on to Garrett in the belief that they can just tweak this roster and Watson will figure it out eventually and they also don't have much choice. They could trade Garrett, get under the cap and then eat the ~100M cap hit after 2025, but...that's punting on a couple of seasons. But it would make the most sense and they also deserve it. It's an aggressive idea and I think Gute will make a legitimate effort to make a move, especially if the DL continues to struggle...

I missed this one, but now that I was going to add the POSSIBILITY of Myles Garrett and Maxx Crosby being traded or talked about being traded, I've seen it. First, ANY time someone like Dexter Lawrence is available, I think you look at where your team is and consider it. He's the type of guy who's so dominant(maybe the most dominant interior defensive linemen in in the last 40 years outside of Aaron Donald vs the pass and he could be just as good when considering his all-around performance). If you get a guy who requires 2 men on every single pass play, now Clark, Gary, Wyatt, Smith, whoever else is out there is getting one on one's. The difference between adding the BEST MLB doesn't even come close to the impact of adding a guy like Dexter Lawrence. You can absolutely dominant the defensive line with a player THAT good. Onto Maxx Crosby or Myles Garrett...I think it's a tough call. I think it's still two 1sts. I don't think that's THAT big of a deal since Garrett would cost the Packers the minimum this year and the next two years after this one. So his cap hit would end up being under 5M total. That's the upside of trading for a player after a team has already signed him and handed out that big bonus and restructured. Maxx Crosby is more expensive. He's also 27 years old whereas Garrett is 29 and Haasan Reddick who has been rumored is 30 years old, but Crosby is due something like 22M, 24M, and 18M. These are guys who are playing a 4-3, they're both dominant vs the pass. Crosby plays nearly every snap(as does Garrett). They can kick inside and they're good vs the run. I think all three of these would be the biggest impact players since Reggie White.

True, but even the two guys we're talking about, I believe they've collectively hit 1 FG outside a dome and that was in GB. But, sure, they've been very good. Reichard(SP) the kicker from 'Bama set records at 'Bama, Bates has bounced around for a while and the Packers did try and sign him...he just chose Detroit...and Detroit was looking for another kicker as he struggled badly in training camp and the preseason. He likely doesn't make the team if they're like the Titans and have a veteran on the roster. The only point I'm making is there's a suggestion that it should be easy to find a kicker who makes 85%(which you're not making) or even that you can look at how they did in College and that translates...but it really doesn't. I still believe the best choice would have been to stick with Carlson, work with him and Wheelan on his holding and we'd have figured it out like Crosby did when he had that brutal year that started with the 3 late missed FGs vs the Bengals(whose kicker incidentally was Evan McPherson, a very good NFL kicker himself now). It's just so hit and miss. Sometimes your patience pays off as it did with Crosby, sometimes your impatience kills you as it did with Anders brother Daniel and the Vikings.

Hudson, Koenig, Hergert, Russell Smith, even Manfredi and then Hall/Ashby...there's just no reason to spend ~3M on a guy who may not be better than ANY of those pitches by the end of next year. And the RHH Relievers, again, I love Uribe and his competitiveness, he has to cool it a bit. Mears is filthy, he just has to trust his stuff(which he did in the Game3, as bad an idea as I thought him pitching was, I was wrong). Megill, Payamps and Peguero, that's more than enough right there without Henderson, Miz, Yoho or others being added, though, they obviously will as the season goes on. I keep bringing up Uribe as it feels like very few others do, but he just needs to reign it in just a bit and he could or should be a the fireman that Megill was late in the year or our closer.

No, those are the only 4 who don't have programs...which used to be part of the B1G Charter, they used to be able have to field a team as...Wrestling is pretty big in the B10. It is actually growing. You have Women's programs starting and a lot of States where the sport isn't very big, it's growing there as well, largely due to the influence of the UFC where...most of the best fighters come from a Wrestling Background...(not UFC background...as that makes no sense). There's been a lot of talk about UCLA and USC rebuilding their programs(and I know UCLA has benefactors who've offered to fund it...roughly 20M to get the facilities, coaches, RTC going). The State is also full of talent because...it's California. Just the numbers, but they're probably behind only Penn and Ohio in terms of prep talent yet they only have Cal Baptist, a school new to D1, Cal Bakersfield(where Stephen Neal from the Pats was a dominant Wrestler before trying FB again with a lot of success) and then Stanford. Cal Poly may have it as well, but the point is, the State's top schools do not, UCLA, USC and Berkley. Washington hasn't had a program in a long time(probably 1980s) and Oregon dropped the program due to Title9...supposedly. They also raised 20M but their AD said they could raise 75M and it wouldn't make a difference as it doesn't 'Fit their vision,' or something. I know the topic of those schools not having Wrestling came up and I know the rule about each school maintaining a Wrestling program was gone well before the new programs were added, but it was still adhered to...I just don't imagine it played much of a factor. I don't think they'll add the sport though. College athletics is becoming like HS athletes, more specialized. I think it's kinda silly as you have an Olympic sport growing in popularity and people willing to fund it and there's not the interest by the AD's to bother, mostly because you'd have to add Women's Wrestling to stay in Title 9 compliance. At least that's the excuse. Marquette was cut despite coming up with 10M. Wrestlers grow up hating Title 9 as it's been used to cut a lot of programs(either real or imagined). The truth is...the people who are fans are insane rabid fans and you can sell out the Kohl Center for 3 Days for the State Tournament or Madison Square Garden for the NCAAs, but it doesn't bring in a lot of outside fans(though if you start to watch it, you can really get into it).

The roster is ~25 on average I'd guess. Penn State rosters around 40. I don't know that anyone is going to be deeper than that. The 9.9 scholarships are split up among probably 20 Wrestlers when that was the only way to compensate the athletes. Again, just going with Penn State, they're spending about 5M on their Wrestling team with NIL money and paying them to train at the Nittany Lion Wrestling Club...but they're also just so much better than anyone else, they're bringing in more money. Iowa and Michigan are in the 3M a year range.

Yeah, not super excited about McManus, but, he's better than nervous Narveson. Both he and Carlson seem like they could be NFL kickers, but you have to take the job. Neither could. Dallas signed a 28-year-old former Soccer player who was a computer engineer and he's become the best kicker in the NFL. He took that title from either Justin Tucker, a guy who wasn't good enough to be the starting kicker(but was the starting punter) for Texas his first two years or Harrison Butker, a guy who hit ~65% of his FGs until his Sr year at Ga Tech. It's not quite as easy to find a kicker to hit 85%, especially in GB as we'd like it to be. Anyway, now that Kicker is addressed, they've gotta figure out why this front can't get a reliable pass rush out of anyone other than Karl Brooks at the moment.

Maxx Crosby? The guy has come out and said if he weren't on the Raiders, he'd want to be a Lion. The Lions have a ton of cap space...and then when you get Hutch back, you've got TWO absolute studs on the DL. Myles Garrett could potentially get traded. The Browns are an absolute mess. Both are going to require multiple 1sts, maybe more...and probably worth it both based on their contracts and ability. I really hope the Lions don't get either one, but it'd be hard to pick who I'd rather have. Garrett has a minimum base for the next two years after this, so that contract fits any team. Crosby's deal is pretty easy for just about any NFL team to figure out also.

I don't think his arm talent has fallen off at all, but dude does look like he aged like most President's. I saw him on McAfee today and it's kinda wild. He looks so much older than Brady or Brees when they retired. I think the Jets will go on a little run though. Adams is a big addition.

Yeah, Haase was a great signing...they very clearly prioritized keeping him on the roster to back up Contreras in '25. I'd actually anticipate the team starting Contreras less next year. He wore down. People keep saying the payroll will go down, maybe. I really have zero doubt that Attanasio would go higher if it meant adding a real difference-maker. It's the length that is usually the issue. And I agree, 3B is the only significant need(or 2B, I really don't think it matters a ton which IF gets moved to SS as they're both really good). Utility would also be nice, but even there I think we're good enough with what we've got. BP, Rotation, both look better to me moving forward.

I agree...but it is disappointing how he and Rock don't line up that much. I love when BA is giving Rock crap...like the mouthy little Brother. Hoping I get to like Dillard a bit more. (I meant Rottino).

I don't know if they have club teams, but I know UCLA, USC, Washington and Oregon don't have Wrestling programs. But I'm talking about the number of Football teams. The number of scholarships are almost irrelevant at this point. Even in a little niche sport, the schools that have Wrestling in the Big 10, they have out NIL money for the top recruits. Iowa, Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State, Minnesota, are spending a couple of million on NIL deals or they'll pay guys to train at their regional training center. So they don't get a scholarship, but they don't pay for school either. Wisconsin has actually had as much HS talent as any state in the Country the past few years, but for a couple reasons, NONE of them are going to Madison. It's no different than CBB, just on a smaller scale. You get a guy from Arkansas Little Rock who turns into a stud and the top programs will go after them. It's all pretty silly and I can't imagine giving a College a couple million for Wrestling, but perhaps if I had tens of millions, I'd feel differently. To your previous point though, yes, they have fewer scholarships than the number of participants needed. Wrestling has 9.9 available. They'd maybe give out a couple full scholarships to the absolute top recruits. If you have a program like Iowa or Minnesota, what they did back before paying a guy was legal, they would make so much money off the camps, they'd pay the Wrestlers who'd have success, they'd then lose their scholarship, pay for school themselves and still come out ahead. And it was legal. But just using the scholarships, very few people ever got a full, legit 100% scholarship.

Dude...some of these trades need to make sense for the other team. Why are the White Sox trading a draft pick for two players who will likely be DFA'ed by the Brewers and cost money? Do the Sox and their worst record in the modern era need a middle reliever and an expensive left-handed specialist who is coming off his worst season or do they need their picks(particularly since they're picking 10th at best? Peguero going to the 100-loss Marlins for a pick The Rockies a Comp pick and a rookie reliever for a 35-year-old depth guy making 5.5M KC gets Bauers when they have Pasquantino, a lefty who's younger and cheaper, a better 1B while having Perez who needs to DH. Not sure why they need a negative WAR replacement in Bauers. Civale does make sense as another arm for them, but...that's only if Wacha decides to leave. I like the Tigers trade...idea. Williams to Detroit, I think they will go for it. But I'd be looking for someone like Matt Vierling back. He can fill in at 3B. Devin Williams+Joel Payamps for Matt Vierling and Owen Hall. Something like that. Finally, we're doing a LOT of work to get rid of Black just to replace him with a bigger question mark and little versatility. Just keep him. If you can package players we don't want for a pick, cool, but again, just upgrading 3B and maybe adding a talented young arm who's a loong way away. But even that's a bit of a stretch. I would go after a guy like Buehler, but I wouldn't target a half-a-season starter, just a guy I think could bounce back. He was dominant and he should be healthy. Because of those reasons, If I had to, I'd guess he'd cost 1/16 given how good he's been, and he back with the Dodgers...but he's also been awful and you really need that guy like Civale and or Rea if you're going sign a pitcher like him, the high risk, high reward, while also moving Ashby to the rotation(which is still an experiment and his innings would likely be limited, as would Hall, Woodruff is a big question mark, Gasser could be back, but it won't be for many innings if at all. You're looking at MAYBE a short stint in Sept. I also like Moncada. I think he'll get ~10M a year, possibly with a 10M Mutual Option and a 2M buyout. He's a talented player and still young. Teams will roll the dice there. I just think you're reinventing the wheel. Patrick Corbin? Look at the MOUNTAIN of arms we've not only got, but we develop each year? Why are we making him a reliever with all the BP arms we've got? I'd rather give the ball to Manfredi late next year and let him figure it out. Perhaps IF the Brewers think he can become a Miley and resurrect his career as a STARTER, a non-GTD deal where he could earn 4-5M if he makes the team could make some sense, but that'd be if the team thought they could get 140 effective innings out of him because they figured something out or change his pitch mix, IDK, he's been pretty bad, but...maybe they think they can work with him. It's been known to happen. We really just need a 2B./3B. I'd LOVE to see the Brewers get a massive bonus pool of...35M, get 12 picks in the top 3 rounds, come out of the draft with 16 top 200 players, but...teams that are rebuilding don't want 30-year-old decent 7th inning relievers for 1st or 2nd rd CBA picks. We're also spending quite a bit more. If Moncada signs for 5 million, he'll have chosen us over the line of teams that'd gladly take him at that price. Again, we don't need a roster overhaul, just some fine-tuning, getting the RIGHT fit in at 3rd, maybe a reclamation project(Buehler is aiming really high and...actually the one arm worth the risk IMO). But hey, a lot of...interesting ideas.

Yes. Braun because of his PED thing, otherwise he looked poised to be a Molitor/Yount type Brewer. Yelich because...you can't say we shouldn't commit the money to Adames while advocating the Yelich extension. Yelich is 32, just had back surgery, and has 4 more years left, then they owe him...what, 2.7M for 12 years. I don't blame the franchise for either, I was in favor of both, but you don't make either deal with the benefit of hindsight. And I hope Yelich can come back and give us a good year next year, but nobody is pushing to give him 88M the next 4 years and then another 30M deferred. I agree, no, this is a terrible idea. I do think some small market teams can but they have to be selective. I think the Twins signed a good deal with Correa. So if you're going to do it, get the prime years....but that's REALLY rare for a small market team. I also don't think the payroll is necessarily going down(though...probably). This team is set up to be REALLY good next year. Even if Williams is dealt, I think the Pen will be better. The Staff should be better. If ever there was a time to spend on another bat, it'd be this year...but for a short-term bat. I'd bet Attanasio and this FO would pony up 4/200 for Soto(in some reality in which that was realistic).

Clancy...LOL...I thought we were past this bud! If you're going to come up with a silly deal, why not use Strausburg or Scherzer or any of the deferred money that the Player would agree to... taking that 60M that you'd be deferring it and if this was ACTUALLY like the Bonilla deal, you'd pay out 300M over 30 years. Willy would also be 35 at the end of the deal, the position we're MOST stacked at right now is SS. Turang, Ortiz, then you've got guys like Pratt, Made, Pena, Di Turi, Quintana, Areinamo, EBJ as well as...so many other young prospects like Baez plays the three IF spots...Adamczewski, Bitonti might be a SS yet if not for the half of a dozen talented young SS already playing there. Of course we've also got plenty of 3B as well and that may be where Adames is best suited to play...if he were to spend another 6 years with the Brewers. But mostly bud...the Bonilla deal working out for the Mets was based initially on a literal pyramid scheme and then it has been deemed successful because the Mets went to the World Series(with the player they got because they DIDN'T pay Bonilla that year) and because of the draft pick they got for him. Otherwise...it is generally mocked and Bonilla only took it because it paid him out 30M for the 5.9M. Finally, just because Spotrac projects 6/150 doesn't mean he's getting 6/150. If we offer 6/150, the Dodgers will probably go 7/180. If we foolishly want to pay until he's 37, they'll likely go a little higher. You think you have this silver bullet and it...just doesn't make sense. If Jackson Chourio is the player we THINK he is going to be and he's 27 years old with 3 years left on his deal, he's got 300 HRs and he's been healthy and you think you may get to see him hit 500, 600, get 3,000 hits and really want to extend him, lets MAYBE then, with 7 years from now address giving Chourio a massive extension where we'll pay for millions of dollars for a player that we know is going to see a sharp decline during that period, but at least we'll get the Tigers experience of watching a player from Venezuela hit HOF type landmarks...but until then, let's keep the 30-year Bobby Bonilla deferred money plan in the back pocket!

Actually, the Bonilla deal gets mocked for bad reasons. That transaction turned out well for the Mets. They saved the ~6M dollars, they went and got Mike Hampton, they made a WS, then the comp pick they got for losing Hampton turned into Wright... Now...this suggestion is...ridiculous, but that Bonilla thing worked out well for the Mets.

Lets air one out here to Watson. AZ using their TOs, they think it's still a game. Lets put a 5th TD on the board.

Yeah, some bizarre calls... Love the 7 men on the LOS there...speeds the QB up.

What in the hell was that? Van Ness gets pulled to the ground and HE gets called for a holding? That's the most ridiculous call I've seen in a while.

No, I definitely didn't either. Amazing how many people on Twitter(who I follow) talked about how much they loved Evan Williams before the draft!