I find the notion that the Pirates don't have a plan foolish at best. Every business has a plan, sometimes they just don't work out. You really think the people running the franchise are trying to lose, ensuring they'll be out of a job? I strongly doubt that anyone is claiming their trying to lose. But I do think its fair to say that some teams/GM's don't actually have a laid-out plan. The Devil Rays don't seem to have a clue what they want to do, and the Steve Phillips-led Mets were another great example. Dean Taylor's Brewers were a pretty good example of doing one thing to fit a plan on one day, then doing something totally different the next. There are people up here in GB that complain about the funding for the stadium every time the Packers lose. As if somehow because they voted no and have to pay the tax anyway it entitles them to be garunteed of a winning team. The Packers are a completely different monster in such an argument, because the fan involvement probably goes passed just being fans, considering that a chunk of them actually own the franchise. They have taken the exact same approach as the Brewers they just haven't been fortunate to get the same results, and for a long time the selling thing wasn't working for the Brewers either. No, they really haven't had the same approach. The Pirates have had high draft picks, but they never seemed to actually commit the resources to scout and develop those guys. Melvin was shrewd in picking up guys off the waiver wire/scrap heap like Pods, Davis, Kolb, etc and giving them a chance to shine, the Pirates signed washed up guys like Derek Bell, Matt Lawton, Benito Santiago, and Jose Mesa to multi-year contracts. The Brewers locked up their good young-ish players like Sheets/Jenkins to nice long-term deals, the Pirates locked up Jack Wilson. The Brewers made shrewd trades when they traded away their big time players like Sexson, Overbay, Pods, Lee, etc in getting unproven yet major-league ready players, or players that no longer fit into their roles with their current team. The Pirates got a horrible Arthur Rhodes and incredibly mediocre Mark Redman for Jason Kendall, ie, established Major Leaguers that were never that great to begin with. The Giles trade was of a completely different approach, thus again leading people to wonder what their plan actually is/was. So I'm really not seeing how the Pirates' approach was anything like the Brewers at all.