Could there be a strong market for Lohse?

[brewmann04]

I think maybe Loshe and Gonzo to Atl? Then AX Moved to one of the teams looking at him.

[Matt Breen]

Rosenthal is reporting that Lohse and Gallardo will likely stay put, even in the wake of Hudson's injury:

 

Two previously available starting pitchers — Milwaukee Brewers righties Yovani Gallardo and Kyle Lohse — now figure to stay put. Both could have greater trade value in the offseason, when different dynamics will be in play.

 

At that point, Gallardo will have two years and $24.25 million left on his contract, Lohse two years and $22 million. Both of their average salaries will be lower than the amount of the qualifying offer, which is likely to be more than $14 million. And both will be more affordable than free agents like Santana, who likely will seek three-year deals at bigger numbers.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/tim-hudson-broken-ankle-surgery-atlanta-braves-must-scramble-for-starter-ervin-santana-jake-peavy-bud-norris-072413

[TigerUppercut]

That is really frustrating. This is exactly like Ramirez last year, when they should have traded him when they had the chance. Lohse may not be movable again for the duration of his contract.

 

Who's to say he's "movable" this year. None of us are sitting in DM's chair. It's all about negotiating and driving up the price rather than looking desperate. It really depends on the return. I don't get the mentality some here seem to have of settling for less just to move somebody.

[TooLiveBrew]

In his latest comments on both guys, Doug Melvin sounded that way too, simply saying, "Not motivated", when asked if he was looking to trade either guy.

 

I think the team simply isn't getting offers they like for Gallardo, and for whatever reason, they just don't seem like they want to move Lohse right now, barring a huge offer to get him.

 

I think if this was about moving Lohse for a solid return, they could do it in ten minutes.

"Not motivated" is clearly Doug Melvin's public version of, "I'm listening, other GMs." I don't think we can read anything one way or the other into comments like that.

 

The only thing "not motivated" right now means is that he hasn't yet gotten an offer he likes. I'd expect interest in the Brewers' pitchers to really ramp up this week & up into the deadline. 5 or 6 days is practically an eternity when it comes to the trade deadline.

[brewmann04]

Totally agree !

[torts]

In his latest comments on both guys, Doug Melvin sounded that way too, simply saying, "Not motivated", when asked if he was looking to trade either guy.

 

I think the team simply isn't getting offers they like for Gallardo, and for whatever reason, they just don't seem like they want to move Lohse right now, barring a huge offer to get him.

 

I think if this was about moving Lohse for a solid return, they could do it in ten minutes.

"Not motivated" is clearly Doug Melvin's public version of, "I'm listening, other GMs." I don't think we can read anything one way or the other into comments like that.

 

The only thing "not motivated" right now means is that he hasn't yet gotten an offer he likes. I'd expect interest in the Brewers' pitchers to really ramp up this week & up into the deadline. 5 or 6 days is practically an eternity when it comes to the trade deadline.

 

Loshe will get another start before the deadline, too, against the Cubbies

[splitterpfj]

This, from Ken Rosenthal...

 

Two previously available starting pitchers — Milwaukee Brewers righties Yovani Gallardo and Kyle Lohse — now figure to stay put. Both could have greater trade value in the offseason, when different dynamics will be in play.

 

At that point, Gallardo will have two years and $24.25 million left on his contract, Lohse two years and $22 million. Both of their average salaries will be lower than the amount of the qualifying offer, which is likely to be more than $14 million. And both will be more affordable than free agents like Santana, who likely will seek three-year deals at bigger numbers.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/tim-hudson-broken-ankle-surgery-atlanta-braves-must-scramble-for-starter-ervin-santana-jake-peavy-bud-norris-072413

[TooLiveBrew]

This, from Ken Rosenthal...

 

Two previously available starting pitchers — Milwaukee Brewers righties Yovani Gallardo and Kyle Lohse — now figure to stay put. Both could have greater trade value in the offseason, when different dynamics will be in play.

 

At that point, Gallardo will have two years and $24.25 million left on his contract, Lohse two years and $22 million. Both of their average salaries will be lower than the amount of the qualifying offer, which is likely to be more than $14 million. And both will be more affordable than free agents like Santana, who likely will seek three-year deals at bigger numbers.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/tim-hudson-broken-ankle-surgery-atlanta-braves-must-scramble-for-starter-ervin-santana-jake-peavy-bud-norris-072413

reillymcshane posted this in post #127

[trwi7]

I guess I can understand keeping Gallardo and hoping he can rebound but I see no reason to keep Lohse. Even if he continues pitching like this through the rest of his contract what are the chances they're going to be meaningful in terms of team record?

[LouisEly]

In his latest comments on both guys, Doug Melvin sounded that way too, simply saying, "Not motivated", when asked if he was looking to trade either guy.

Remember, DM also said he was "not motivated" to trade Lyle Overbay.

 

All that means is that he hasn't gotten a good enough offer yet.

[brewmann04]

I sure more offers for Loshe will be coming soon.

[paul253]

This is kind of what I figured would happen. Despite the fact that the Brewers are a terrible team and we've been constantly burned by overpriced veterans, Doug Melvin is not going to make any significant trades and the 2014 Brewers will look a lot like the 2013 Brewers.

 

Outside of maybe his latest trade of KRod, has Melvin ever traded a guy whose value was at its peak?

[markedman5]

Maybe we should trade Segura now since his value is probably at its peak?

[Oxy]

This is kind of what I figured would happen. Despite the fact that the Brewers are a terrible team and we've been constantly burned by overpriced veterans, Doug Melvin is not going to make any significant trades and the 2014 Brewers will look a lot like the 2013 Brewers.

 

Outside of maybe his latest trade of KRod, has Melvin ever traded a guy whose value was at its peak?

 

LaPorta

Lawrie

Jeffress

Will Inman

 

Jury is out on: Odorizzi, Cain, Brantley, Escobar. The latter 3 are fine players, but I don't think they've really added to their own trade value since they were traded, therefore they were traded at their peak.

 

The point is that "peak" value often occurs when a player hits AAA.

[logan82]

Doug Melvin is not going to make any significant trades and the 2014 Brewers will look a lot like the 2013 Brewers.

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/205/c/5/Sarcastic_Thumbs_Up_by_Firestormthepoet.jpg

 

 

Outside of maybe his latest trade of KRod, has Melvin ever traded a guy whose value was at its peak?

Richie Sexson

[SRB]

This is kind of what I figured would happen. Despite the fact that the Brewers are a terrible team and we've been constantly burned by overpriced veterans, Doug Melvin is not going to make any significant trades and the 2014 Brewers will look a lot like the 2013 Brewers.

 

Outside of maybe his latest trade of KRod, has Melvin ever traded a guy whose value was at its peak?

 

LaPorta

Lawrie

Jeffress

Will Inman

 

Jury is out on: Odorizzi, Cain, Brantley, Escobar. The latter 3 are fine players, but I don't think they've really added to their own trade value since they were traded, therefore they were traded at their peak.

 

The point is that "peak" value often occurs when a player hits AAA.

 

Lawrie was definitely not traded at his peak value (nor Brantley, but he's wasn't the centerpiece). But I agree, Melvin has a fairly good track record w/ trades it seems.

 

Lohse needs to go. He is pitching like an ace at a time when the pitching market hugely favors sellers. If nobody wanted to sign Lohse last offseason, why would they give up a big package to get him next offseason? Melvin needs to tap into somebody's pennant desperation.

[TooLiveBrew]

Maybe we should trade Segura now since his value is probably at its peak?

Imo trading Lohse/Gallardo right now (for a good enough offer) isn't comparable to trading Segura right now.

[brewmann04]

July 31 will be intresting as in regards to Loshe.

[PrinceEatMeat]

The Braves are now interested in Norris, so have to think they'd have interest in Lohse also. It's been surprising that things have been quiet on the Lohse front. Lots of teams obviously need a starter. Gotta think some team may make a serious offer for him after Peavy and Norris are off the market. There are more teams that need a pitcher out there than there are pitchers available.

[Outlander]

Lawrie was definitely not traded at his peak value (nor Brantley, but he's wasn't the centerpiece). But I agree, Melvin has a fairly good track record w/ trades it seems.

Why do you say that regarding Lawire, he certainly hasn't increased his value since going to the Jays? You could argue Melvin maybe could have gotten more if he made it more known that Lawrie was available but I think that may end up being Lawrie's peak value.

[markedman5]

I agree….but hindsight is always 20-20…did anybody see Gallardo falling off a cliff like he has this year?

 

As I recall Melvin tried to trade Prince once it became clear we couldn't sign him and was so under whelmed with the offers that he decided to keep him and we ended up winning 96 games.

 

I just think its difficult to criticize Melvin without knowing what trades he turned down.

 

I think the much bigger problem has been the lack of impact players(especially pitching) that have been drafted/developed in recent years.

Maybe we should trade Segura now since his value is probably at its peak?

Imo trading Lohse/Gallardo right now (for a good enough offer) isn't comparable to trading Segura right now.

[PrinceEatMeat]

Just got this from Heyman in his chat.

 

Is there any interest in Kyle Lohse? He'd be a great pickup for teams in need of a good starting pitcher. He's controlled for 2 more years too. Why has there not been any reported interest in him?

12:27

I think the price is too high. He makes a lot of money and the Brewers supposedly want something back on par with the first round pick they gave up to get him. If the price drops, teams will be interested. Right now? Meh.

[splitterpfj]

PEM, that's exactly the way its been going. If I were the Brewers, I'd keep the price right where it is, and offer to pay some of the remaining contract. The point is to get the most talent back as possible, so don't drop that side, make his contract easier for the other team.

 

The Brewers have been acting like they're willing to wait until winter on this, which is fine, but it would be more fun for all of us if they didn't.

[PrinceEatMeat]

PEM, that's exactly the way its been going. If I were the Brewers, I'd keep the price right where it is, and offer to pay some of the remaining contract. The point is to get the most talent back as possible, so don't drop that side, make his contract easier for the other team.

 

The Brewers have been acting like they're willing to wait until winter on this, which is fine, but it would be more fun for all of us if they didn't.

 

Exactly. I definitely agree with this. Melvin should, and will, hold firm on his asking price. If he doesn't get it from a desperate team before the deadline, there's a better chance of him getting it in the offseason.

[splitterpfj]

Lohse's free agency was hurt by the draft pick thing, but in the end, there were other teams who were ready to sign him - for 2 years. I really think it's that third year on the deal that's stopping teams, so I wish the Brewers would just pay that year in a trade, and get the prospects they should get for Lohse.

 

It seems as though I like Lohse more than most Brewer fans, but even I would be more excited about watching the next core of the team develop next year than I would be to watch Lohse pitch here.

 

If you want to "give back", give new excitement...give us as close as you can give us to '05-'07, when good young talent was coming.