Daily bullpen unavailability

[NYChez]

It seems like a good day to bring this back: unavailable for 9/25 are Peralta, Hader, and potentially Burnes and Jeffress.

[Roderick]

It seems like a good day to bring this back: unavailable for 9/25 are Peralta, Hader, and potentially Burnes and Jeffress.

 

Burnes has pitched 3 days out of 4. And warmed up before the rain delay and still pitched last night, right?

 

Got to think he is definitely unavailable.

[NYChez]

Game 2, NLDS:

Definitely unavailable: Woodruff, Burnes

Limited to a few batters, at most: Knebel, Hader, Jeffress, Soria

Available: Guerra

Available, depending on who is starting game 3: Gio, Miley, Peralta

[bm1090]

Don't really agree. I think Burnes could go one. Hader threw 20 pitches. Soria had a 1-2-3 inning. Jeffress would be in there in a save situation tomorrow.

[adambr2]

Burnes is not definitely unavailable, he threw 26 pitches. Jeffress has thrown once in the last 5 days. He's definitely available for multiple batters or a long 4 out save tomorrow.

 

All these guys in the limited category are most likely just fine for tomorrow, each one had 2 days off coming into today and another one after the next game.

 

Obviously there are certain guys they would prefer to avoid if possible but they would not have started with a bullpen game and carried 11 pitchers for the NLDS roster if they planned on being this restrictive with them.

 

This is the playoffs, the rules are not the same. Obviously if a guy just can't go you have to deal with it, and that can happen, but for the most part these guys are not going to be unavailable, and the days off they get besides the team days off will come by happy circumstance, not by unavailability.

[liveforoctober]

This is the playoffs, the rules are not the same.

 

This. The reason there are rules in the regular season as to usage is 1) keep arms at peak performing levels and 2) keep everyone healthy so when the playoffs hit they can pitch as needed as often as that is.

 

They don't want to throw Hader every game they play... but if he needs to throw in 15 of 19 games in some capacity this post season to get it done... then he needs to throw in 15 games. Obviously they need to be smart about it... but I'd venture to say everyone other than Woodruff is a full go tonight.

[Oxy]

Game 2, NLDS:

Definitely unavailable: Woodruff, Burnes

Limited to a few batters, at most: Knebel, Hader, Jeffress, Soria

Available: Guerra

Available, depending on who is starting game 3: Gio, Miley, Peralta

 

For guys like Knebel, Jeffress, and Soria I'm not sure what the difference is between "Limited to a few batters, at most" and "Available". They should each be able to go up to 20+ pitches or so today, which could mean anywhere from 2-5 batters...which is what they normally would pitch to when they are fresh and rested.

[NYChez]

Ideally, Knebel, Hader, and Jeffress would have each thrown one clean inning. Instead, Knebel got 5 outs, Hader 4 outs, and obviously Jeffress’ inning was not clean. I’d expect this would slightly lessen their availability and/or effectiveness today from what it would be if they had clean, single innings.

[Oxy]

Hopefully we are up by 3+ runs after Chacin gets through the order a couple times and Guerra and Gio/Miley can finish it out with perhaps a batter or two for one or two of the big 4 in high leverage spots. If we are losing, we'll probably stick with Guerra and one of the lefties all the way through.

 

If it's tied or we are up by a couple, we might see everybody except for Peralta and one of the lefties.

[Patrick425]

So was at the game last night, and came on here this morning expecting to see some speculation about Jeffress. Maybe I missed it, but did not see anything. Also, could not find any post game comments from Counsell related to Jeffress.

 

I know that there was a thread locked down yesterday in regards to JJ, and I don't want to get into any unfounded speculative discussion. However, is anyone concerned that his velocity was down yesterday and he didn't seem to be fooling anyone? Perhaps it was just a bad day, but with the recent "unavailability" of JJ, it's a bit concerning to me.

[istanbultaye]

He still touched 97 a couple times at least from what I recall. He ended the inning pretty strong. I just feel like the first couple batters really ambushed him while he was trying to get ahead and it worked out for them.

[Patrick425]

He still touched 97 a couple times at least from what I recall. He ended the inning pretty strong. I just feel like the first couple batters really ambushed him while he was trying to get ahead and it worked out for them.

 

Ok. We may have just missed it, but could not recall a pitch above 94. That's what really concerned me.

[homer]

He still touched 97 a couple times at least from what I recall. He ended the inning pretty strong. I just feel like the first couple batters really ambushed him while he was trying to get ahead and it worked out for them.

 

Ok. We may have just missed it, but could not recall a pitch above 94. That's what really concerned me.

 

Per MLB.com he topped out at 95.3 MPH

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

He still touched 97 a couple times at least from what I recall. He ended the inning pretty strong. I just feel like the first couple batters really ambushed him while he was trying to get ahead and it worked out for them.

 

Ok. We may have just missed it, but could not recall a pitch above 94. That's what really concerned me.

 

Per MLB.com he topped out at 95.3 MPH

 

For a guy that sat at 96 typically, and touched 97 once in a while, that isn't concerning at all.

[And That]

It wasn't Jeffress' velocity, it was his command that was off last night. Was catching way too much of the plate, maybe most notably on the 0-2 pitch to Arrenado.

 

As for availability, didn't Counsell literally say they weren't going to operate the same way they did in the regular season? I would absolutely expect Hader and Burnes to be options today.

[homer]

For reference sake, Hader went back to back 5 times this year and Burnes did it 4 times.

[Patrick425]

For reference sake, Hader went back to back 5 times this year and Burnes did it 4 times.

 

Are you talking about back to back days or back to back games? May have missed one, but could only find 4 times that Hader pitched back to back days (4/21-/22, 6/26-6/27, 8/4-8/5, and 8/29-8/30). If my math is correct he threw a total of 5 innings in those 4 games (the 2nd game), gave up 1 ER, 3H, 2BB, and 8 K. Also in the preceding game he only threw a full inning once (on 4/21), the other 3 preceding games he threw 1/3 of an inning, 1/3 of an inning, and 2/3 of an inning.

 

Burnes 2nd day stats are 3 2/3 IP, 1 ER, 3 H, 0 BB, 2 K

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I dunno. I thought Jeffress looked fine last night. Most of the hits he gave up were dribblers that found the right gaps. He made some nice pitches to get out of that mess and keep it tied.

[homer]

For reference sake, Hader went back to back 5 times this year and Burnes did it 4 times.

 

Are you talking about back to back days or back to back games? May have missed one, but could only find 4 times that Hader pitched back to back days (4/21-/22, 6/26-6/27, 8/4-8/5, and 8/29-8/30). If my math is correct he threw a total of 5 innings in those 4 games (the 2nd game), gave up 1 ER, 3H, 2BB, and 8 K. Also in the preceding game he only threw a full inning once (on 4/21), the other 3 preceding games he threw 1/3 of an inning, 1/3 of an inning, and 2/3 of an inning.

 

Burnes 2nd day stats are 3 2/3 IP, 1 ER, 3 H, 0 BB, 2 K

 

I was going off the "days rest" table on Baseball Reference which I believe is calendar days. Looking at Hader's game log he pitched back to back days on:

 

April 21, 22

June 26, 27

Aug 4,5

Aug 19,20

Aug 29,30

 

I also only counted up four the first time I looked at it. Missed one of the August ones.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=haderjo01&t=p&year=2018

[Patrick425]

For reference sake, Hader went back to back 5 times this year and Burnes did it 4 times.

 

Are you talking about back to back days or back to back games? May have missed one, but could only find 4 times that Hader pitched back to back days (4/21-/22, 6/26-6/27, 8/4-8/5, and 8/29-8/30). If my math is correct he threw a total of 5 innings in those 4 games (the 2nd game), gave up 1 ER, 3H, 2BB, and 8 K. Also in the preceding game he only threw a full inning once (on 4/21), the other 3 preceding games he threw 1/3 of an inning, 1/3 of an inning, and 2/3 of an inning.

 

Burnes 2nd day stats are 3 2/3 IP, 1 ER, 3 H, 0 BB, 2 K

 

I was going off the "days rest" table on Baseball Reference which I believe is calendar days. Looking at Hader's game log he pitched back to back days on:

 

April 21, 22

June 26, 27

Aug 4,5

Aug 19,20

Aug 29,30

 

I also only counted up four the first time I looked at it. Missed one of the August ones.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=haderjo01&t=p&year=2018

 

Ah, yes, missed the August 19-20 days, and he pitched a full inning on Aug 19 and then came back with a 1-2-3 3K inning on the 20th.

[MrTPlush]

So Hader has never pitched back to back days while throwing an inning or more? Checked Corbin Burnes, all of his were an inning or less.

 

I don't see either of these trends changing today...definitely not with Burnes. Hard to think after two innings yesterday. If they are so scared of pitching Jeffress again I could see Hader again.

[Oxy]

I'd focus on the # of pitches rather than on the number of outs when determining how much stress is placed on the arm in back to back days.

[homer]

I think Knebel can definitely go an inning. He went back to back to back 1 inning stints recently on Sept 23, 24, 25 and he only threw 25 pitches yesterday despite going 1 and 2/3 innings.

[Patrick425]

So Hader has never pitched back to back days while throwing an inning or more?

 

Hader did back to back twice after pitching one inning (April 21-22 and August 19-20), but never after pitching more than inning.

[A Swing and A Drive]

A Couple of Points

 

1. There are multiple off days per series

2. No one is unavailable

3. This is the Playoffs!