Game Thread (7/24/2022): Rockies (Kuhl) at Brewers (Lauer) - 1:10 PM CDT

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, BruisedCrew said:

Not all of those were that weak, and the Brewers have gotten more than their share of breaks in this game: the line drive DP, Wong’s strikeout, Urias’ ground ball double, and the 400 foot fly out to end the top of the second. 
 

The real problem is that Lauer isn’t locating his pitches well. 

The line drive double play wasn't all that lucky. Only 76.6 MPH off the bat. Just bad base-running by the Rockies and the Brewers took advantage. 

[Brewcrew82]

Rockies are pesky. 

[CdrbrgMark]

Over an hour to get through 2 innings. This is WAY beyond rediculous!!

[BruisedCrew]

18 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

The line drive double play wasn't all that lucky. Only 76.6 MPH off the bat. Just bad base-running by the Rockies and the Brewers took advantage. 

The reliance on exit velocities to identify weak hits really puzzles me.

I see sharp ground balls in the hole or up the middle and they are clean base hits in my book. I don’t know (or really care) what the expected BA was on those three hits compared to the balls hit by Blackmon and Urias, but grumbling so much about balls that aren’t hit 100 MPH to me detracts from the game. 

[Brewcrew82]

4 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

The reliance on exit velocities to identify weak hits really puzzles me.

I see sharp ground balls in the hole or up the middle and they are clean base hits in my book. I don’t know (or really care) what the expected BA was on those three hits compared to the balls hit by Blackmon and Urias, but grumbling so much about balls that aren’t hit 100 MPH to me detracts from the game. 

The ball was hit right at Adames, anyways. So, I don't get the grumbling about that play. Regardless, our eyes/brain are imperfect whereas the numbers spit out the facts. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

This game is moving soooo slowlyyyyyyyyy

[Brewcrew82]

Renfroe hot streaks are fun. 

[BruisedCrew]

Renfroe almost one handed that one. 

[sveumrules]

Renfroe was at 122 OPS+ and 2.0 WAR entering the game.

Nick Castellanos is at 85 OPS+ and -1.2 WAR with 4/80 left on his deal.

[willie key]

He’s better than jbj

[edfunderburk]

Binelas has good power & will one day play for Boston in the bigs …

That said - I like the JBJ for Renfroe trade the night before the strike began

When he’s hot - he’s fun to watch 

[stoutdude04]

34 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

Not all of those were that weak, and the Brewers have gotten more than their share of breaks in this game: the line drive DP, Wong’s strikeout, Urias’ ground ball double, and the 400 foot fly out to end the top of the second. 
 

The real problem is that Lauer isn’t locating his pitches well. 

I agree he isnt locating well, but all 3 of those singles were weak. 

Also, I wasnt referencing anything about the Brewers hitters. Simply pointing out 3 weak hit balls found holes. Also, the 'linedrive' was weak too. Not going to complain about Bryant not knowing how to run the bases.

 

[Brewcrew82]

Turang with three walks and a hit today in addition to his home run last night. I'd be all for a call-up for him with Peterson on the IL and Wong looking gimpy. 

Also, Hiura is tearing up AAA as per usual....I'm thinking we'll see him soon, as well. 

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, sveumrules said:

Renfroe was at 122 OPS+ and 2.0 WAR entering the game.

Nick Castellanos is at 85 OPS+ and -1.2 WAR with 4/80 left on his deal.

Someone needs to own that....lol. Especially with the way they went on and on about it over the course of several months. 

[willie key]

Plus im assuming that if you get castellanos you don’t get rid of jbj.    I don’t know how anyone can complain about that

[BruisedCrew]

4 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

The ball was hit right at Adames, anyways. So, I don't get the grumbling about that play. Regardless, our eyes/brain are imperfect whereas the numbers spit out the facts. 

The fact that the ball was hit right at Adames is the point. Baseball by its nature is often decided by hitting ‘em where they ain’t instead of hitting ‘em hard, Balls hit like Blackmon hit that one, even if it was a relatively soft line drive, are often hits.

To me the fact of whether or not a ball is a hit is more important than the fact of how hard it was hit or what it’s launch angle was. 

[edfunderburk]

2 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Turang with three walks and a hit today in addition to his home run last night. I'd be all for a call-up for him with Peterson on the IL and Wong looking gimpy. 

Very little written about Peterson’s injury

His loss is huge - such an integral part of our success this season

I hope his IL stay isn’t long-term but I fear it may be

[stoutdude04]

2 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

The fact that the ball was hit right at Adames is the point. Baseball by its nature is often decided by hitting ‘em where they ain’t instead of hitting ‘em hard, Balls hit like Blackmon hit that one, even if it was a relatively soft line drive, are often hits.

To me the fact of whether or not a ball is a hit is more important than the fact of how hard it was hit or what it’s launch angle was. 

No one is denying a hit is better than a hard hit out or at what angle. People are simply pointing out that a softer hit ball is more often an out. 

[BruisedCrew]

5 minutes ago, stoutdude04 said:

I agree he isnt locating well, but all 3 of those singles were weak. 

Also, I wasnt referencing anything about the Brewers hitters. Simply pointing out 3 weak hit balls found holes. Also, the 'linedrive' was weak too. Not going to complain about Bryant not knowing how to run the bases.

 

Since you have exit velocities handy, do you have the expected BA on those hits? It seems to me that a pretty high percentage of hits aren’t hit any harder than those. 
 

Maybe obsession with exit velocities is why so few balls are put in play these days. Just getting the bat on the ball still has value. 

[Brewcrew82]

6 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

The fact that the ball was hit right at Adames is the point. Baseball by its nature is often decided by hitting ‘em where they ain’t instead of hitting ‘em hard, Balls hit like Blackmon hit that one, even if it was a relatively soft line drive, are often hits.

To me the fact of whether or not a ball is a hit is more important than the fact of how hard it was hit or what it’s launch angle was. 

True, but it is literally impossible for hitters nowadays to control where they place the ball, given the insane velocity and spin of modern-day pitchers. All they're thinking is apply the barrel to the ball and hit it as hard as they can. Also, over the course of a season, hard hit balls will result in more hits and runs than softer hit balls...Pretty important when the name of the game is to score more runs than the opposition. 

[brewers888]

6 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Someone needs to own that....lol. Especially with the way they went on and on about it over the course of several months. 

Happy to be wrong about Renfroe.

[willie key]

2 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

The fact that the ball was hit right at Adames is the point. Baseball by its nature is often decided by hitting ‘em where they ain’t instead of hitting ‘em hard, Balls hit like Blackmon hit that one, even if it was a relatively soft line drive, are often hits.

To me the fact of whether or not a ball is a hit is more important than the fact of how hard it was hit or what it’s launch angle was. 

To me the key in this day and age is hitting the ball.    Making contact.     A soft hit single is better than hard swinging strikeout.     
 

in 2022 I’ve told myself to not complain about infield hits etc because hitting the ball is infinitely better than not hitting ball.   
 

there are just too many swings and misses today plus fundamentals that encourage swings and misses from youth ball up until the major leagues.    I’m at the point when I see a nubber drop in I just say good for him and not curse luck anymore

[brewers888]

7 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

Very little written about Peterson’s injury

His loss is huge - such an integral part of our success this season

I hope his IL stay isn’t long-term but I fear it may be

He's out till at least late August and it could be much longer. 

[willie key]

1 minute ago, brewers888 said:

He's out till at least late August and it could be much longer. 

How crazy is that in which this really hurts the team

[brewers888]

The exit velocity arguments completely lose me when we hear how hard a ground ball was hit. I get the bad luck involved on line drives to the outfield but a ground ball will be an out most of the time regardless of the exit velocity.