Brewers Acquire Owen Miller From CLE; Feliciano DFA'd

[brewerfan82]

9 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Thing that hurts Brosseau is his subpar defense and inability to play SS, or even 2B. Plus, last season he didn't even hit LHP all that extraordinarily with a .764 OPS. Granted, it's better than what some of our hitters did, but for someone whose calling-card is hitting LHP it's not enough. 

I think you may have gotten your stats mixed up? Here's Brosseau's splits from last year:

[brewerfan82]

5 minutes ago, Redd Vencher said:

This move has no bearing on whether the Brewers sign a guy like Turner.

To piggyback on this, I'd say it's moves like this and the shrewd trades made up to this point in the offseason that keep the possibility of signing someone like Turner still in play.

[ougiqbxy]

24 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

Fun stuff, man. Rather than going out to get a real 2B/3B, we're throwing darts at the board (cheaply) hoping they stick. Good ole Mark!

 

These stats are wrong!   How soon we forget about Blake Perkins.

[beekay414]

11 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

You don’t need to spend money on FA to have a good offseason, and if you can address needs not giving out huge FA bucks, huge bonus. I think they have had a pretty decent first month of the offseason. 

No but you need to be able to subsidize where and when you can. The bullpen is a prime example. We chose to shed money there and go with the dart throw approach. It's Devin Williams and a mess of middle relievers (or worse) that we hope one or two will be able to pick up high leverage. 

Offseason is long and not over but, so far, nothing they've done indicates they plan on spending money to upgrade. 

[Brewcrew82]

Miller's career minor league slash line: .305/.368/.450. AAA slash line in 2021: .297/.374/.489. Nice.

Can see why the Brewers are intrigued considering his speed and defensive versatility.

Don't see why we need Jon Singleton on the roster at this point. Him or Trevor Kelley are the next to go imo. 

[beekay414]

9 minutes ago, Redd Vencher said:

This move has no bearing on whether the Brewers sign a guy like Turner.

Cute

[Brewcrew82]

4 minutes ago, brewerfan82 said:

I think you may have gotten your stats mixed up? Here's Brosseau's splits from last year:

I don't believe so....

[patrickgpe]

Just now, beekay414 said:

 

Offseason is long and not over but, so far, nothing they've done indicates they plan on spending money to upgrade. 

Exactly. I figure out long ago that you really can’t praise or criticize an offseason until March 1st. Sometimes unpopular moves set up moves that are widely praised and vice versa. Also MLB offseason, is the only one of the major 3 that top free agents do not scooped up immediately, and then the lesser FA’s sign after that. 

[edfunderburk]

Is it possible for the Brewers to pull Feliciano back & trade him if he’s claimed?

[beekay414]

Just now, patrickgpe said:

Exactly. I figure out long ago that you really can’t praise or criticize an offseason until March 1st. Sometimes unpopular moves set up moves that are widely praised and vice versa. Also MLB offseason, is the only one of the major 3 that top free agents do not scooped up immediately, and then the lesser FA’s sign after that. 

Part of the reasoning why I have my doubts is that this is a franchise that sold us JBJ and McCutchen as their prior offseason moves when they were going for a World Series. There's just no real reason to be confident that they'll actually pull a 2B/3B upgrade off the market. They don't have the track record to blindly believe they'll get it done. Until they actually do, my stance won't ever change. 

[Brewcrew82]

9 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

No but you need to be able to subsidize where and when you can. The bullpen is a prime example. We chose to shed money there and go with the dart throw approach. It's Devin Williams and a mess of middle relievers (or worse) that we hope one or two will be able to pick up high leverage. 

Offseason is long and not over but, so far, nothing they've done indicates they plan on spending money to upgrade. 

FWIW, our payroll is currently $20 million below what it was this season, and Mark Attanasio said in his season seat-holder Q+A that they are planning on spending around the same amount next year.

And then there's the recent rumors of them showing interest in Justin Turner...

To assume that we won't add anything in FA at this point isn't really based in reality. Still plenty of second-tier FA options available now that the first-tier options have pretty much all signed. And we were never going to be in on those first-tier options to begin with. 

[brewerfan82]

6 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I don't believe so....

My bad, looks like I was looking at his career splits! ?‍♂️

[Brewcrew82]

A little off-topic here. But with all of these WI natives (Jansen, Varsho, Lux, Miller, etc.) floating around in offseason discussions, it makes me so frustrated that my alma matter, the University of Wisconsin, continues to not field a baseball program. 

[beekay414]

2 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

FWIW, our payroll is currently $20 million below what it was this season, and Mark Attanasio said in his season seat-holder Q+A that they are planning on spending around the same amount next year.

And then there's the recent rumors of them showing interest in Justin Turner...

To assume that we won't add anything in FA at this point isn't really based in reality. Still plenty of second-tier FA options available now that the first-tier options have pretty much all signed. And we were never going to be in on those first-tier options to begin with. 

It's absolutely based in reality. Their track record literally proves it. Jackie Bradley Jr and Andrew McCutchen are what they sold us the last two seasons. But, sure, they'll spend for real this time because Mark said so.

[Brewcrew82]

11 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

It's absolutely based in reality. Their track record literally proves it. Jackie Bradley Jr and Andrew McCutchen are what they sold us the last two seasons. But, sure, they'll spend for real this time because Mark said so.

But those were still FA signings were they not? It seems to me you're telling us that they won't sign anyone. That's where I disagree. And they did sign Yasmani Grandal, Mike Moustakas, and Avi Garcia in the offseasons before that, too.

Talk to me when it's late February and all of the second-tier FA options are gone. Because we're never going to be involved in the 10 year megadeals that the big markets have been doling out like candy over the last couple weeks. 

Do you have particular reason to think they're going to spend more than $20 million less than they did last season, when they have repeatedly said they're going into this season to compete and return to the playoffs? 

[edfunderburk]

31 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Miller's career minor league slash line: .305/.368/.450. AAA slash line in 2021: .297/.374/.489. Nice.

Can see why the Brewers are intrigued considering his speed and defensive versatility.

Don't see why we need Jon Singleton on the roster at this point. Him or Trevor Kelley are the next to go imo. 

I agree - Was surprised to see us keep Singleton & Kelley over Feliciano

I’m also ready to see Hiura traded

[beekay414]

4 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

But those were still FA signings were they not? It seems to me you're telling us that they won't sign anyone. That's where I disagree. And they did sign Yasmani Grandal, Mike Moustakas, and Avi Garcia in the offseasons before that, too.

Talk to me when it's late February and all of the second-tier FA options are gone. Because we're never going to be involved in the 10 year megadeals that the big markets have been doling out over the last couple weeks. 

Do you have reason to think they're going to spend more than $20 million less than they did last season? 

I never said they won't sign anyone, I said they won't spend to upgrade. Grandal, Moose and Avi were when Burnes and Woody were cheaper and those were also pre-Covid seasons. The seasons post Covid have not inspired any confidence that we'll spend smart. 

No one expects them to sign 10 year megadeals so we can cut that out of the discussion. 

What 2nd tier FAs do you think we'll entertain? I want to see what your definition of "2nd tier" is.

[Redd Vencher]

20 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

It's absolutely based in reality. Their track record literally proves it. Jackie Bradley Jr and Andrew McCutchen are what they sold us the last two seasons. But, sure, they'll spend for real this time because Mark said so.

They signed Kolten Wong the same offseason they signed JBJ. Does that not count?

[BallFour]

19 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

But those were still FA signings were they not? It seems to me you're telling us that they won't sign anyone. That's where I disagree. And they did sign Yasmani Grandal, Mike Moustakas, and Avi Garcia in the offseasons before that, too.

Talk to me when it's late February and all of the second-tier FA options are gone. Because we're never going to be involved in the 10 year megadeals that the big markets have been doling out over the last couple weeks. 

Do you have reason to think they're going to spend more than $20 million less than they did last season? 

We are off topic but wanted to chime in

Add Kolten Wong to that list.

I could see them staying around where they are right now or a tad higher, not close to last years payroll. And none of the following are justified excuses just me speculating rightly or wrongfully.

A)Our owner invested in a soccer team in England

B)He is a hedge fund guy and the stock market is having a horrible year, doesn't mean his firm is having a bad year but it is possible.

C)Attendance wasn't great last year

 

[beekay414]

9 minutes ago, Redd Vencher said:

They signed Kolten Wong the same offseason they signed JBJ. Does that not count?

No, I simply forgot about him because he fell in line with the "smart spending" that I specifically mentioned in that same post, so I'll eat crow there. JBJ was the one they sold to us as the big signing and then Cutch came next. We were basically lighting money on fire with those 2 and it hindered any type of in-season movement we could've made (Mark can spare me on the "money wasn't an issue" trade deadline debacle and pinning that all on Stearns. It's not a coincidence that Stearns stepped away the next chance he got).

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, beekay414 said:

I never said they won't sign anyone, I said they won't spend to upgrade. Grandal, Moose and Avi were when Burnes and Woody were cheaper and those were also pre-Covid seasons. The seasons post Covid have not inspired any confidence that we'll spend smart. 

No one expects them to sign 10 year megadeals so we can cut that out of the discussion. 

What 2nd tier FAs do you think we'll entertain? I want to see what your definition of "2nd tier" is.

Justin Turner, Brandon Drury, Evan Longoria, Adam Duvall, Robbie Grossman, Wil Myers, Trey Mancini, Edwin Rios, Taylor Rogers, Andrew Chafin, Matt Moore, Cory Knebel, Michael Fulmer, Reyes Moronto, Chad Green, Trevor May, etc.

Any of those guys I could see the Brewers being interested in and are not out of their price range. "Second-tier" may be too loose of a term here as not all of these guys are that level, but they represent the next-best options now that the premier free agents have largely signed and would add something to the team for next season. 

[Brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

No, I simply forgot about him because he fell in line with the "smart spending" that I specifically mentioned in that same post, so I'll eat crow there. JBJ was the one they sold to us as the big signing and then Cutch came next. We were basically lighting money on fire with those 2 and it hindered any type of in-season movement we could've made (Mark can spare me on the "money wasn't an issue" trade deadline debacle and pinning that all on Stearns. It's not a coincidence that Stearns stepped away the next chance he got).

With JBJ, A LOT of people liked that signing at the time as insurance for the aging and oft-injured Lorenzo Cain. Nobody foresaw him suddenly ceasing to be a major league hitter at the age of 31. 

McCutchen, I'll give you. That signing never made sense from the start and became worse by how they decided to persistently hit him cleanup against RHP. 

[patrickgpe]

I don’t see much need for Singleton or Hiura after this offseason’s moves so far. 

[patrickgpe]

21 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

I agree - Was surprised to see us keep Singleton & Kelley over Feliciano

I’m also ready to see Hiura traded

We love sidewinders. 

[BallFour]

3 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

With JBJ, A LOT of people liked that signing at the time as insurance for the aging and oft-injured Lorenzo Cain. Nobody foresaw him suddenly ceasing to be a major league hitter at the age of 31. 

McCutchen, I'll give you. That signing never made sense from the start and became worse by how they decided to persistently hit him cleanup against RHP. 

I was really happy with the JBJ signing just for the simple fact Cain didn't play in 2020 along with Garcia being a groundball machine in 2020. It didn't work out but somehow we got out of it after 1 year. And there is nothing bad about a 1 year mistake if you get your everday RF for a guy who OPS+ was 35.