2022-2023 NFL Playoffs discussion

[GAME05]

Yep, Lance starts and the first time he throws an interception their fans scream for Purdy.

[MrTPlush]

If Purdy leads the 49ers to the NFCCG and plays well to get there and plays well in that game (regardless of result)…he should be the starter.

They definitely shouldn’t trade either going into next year, period, regardless of who they let start the season.

[Fear The Chorizo]

49ers have limited draft picks in early rounds next season - although they continue receiving a ton of mid to late round compensatory picks due to some player trades and signing elsewhere, but even moreso with front office/coaches getting hired elsewhere.  They're not in salary cap hell but do need to find a way to get Nick Bosa extended to what will likely be a record setting contract for a defensive player.  They are going to need to stockpile draft picks in the coming years to maintain roster depth, or they'll be the Rams in a couple seasons at a point when they'll still need to pay one of their rookie contract QBs alot more $$.

Never say never when it comes to trading Purdy this offseason if a team offers a high enough draft pick.  Particularly if the 49ers continue thinking outside the box and get aggressive this offseason by bringing in a completely different veteran QB to push them over the top if they can make cap gymnastics work...maybe someone who grew up close to San Francisco??

[stoutdude04]

As a 49er fan I can say this is an interesting situation.  Purdy has obviously performed better than expected, but he definitely missed some throws and reads early in the game last week.  Even the throw to Jennings late in the game was not a great throw(should have thrown it more to the boundary).  When Jimmy G was starting there was talk that they were going to resign him on another 1 year deal and he had said that he would contemplate it.  I get the feeling he kind of likes being a backup, but I don't really know.  Anyway, I am also not sold on Lance, but I was never thrilled with the pick in the first place.  

My thought is they stick with Lance and Purdy moving forward, though, if someone is willing to offer a nice pick for Purdy and they are able to resign Jimmy then I would prefer that.

[CheezWizHed]

6 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Particularly if the 49ers continue thinking outside the box and get aggressive this offseason by bringing in a completely different veteran QB to push them over the top if they can make cap gymnastics work...maybe someone who grew up close to San Francisco??

No way Rodgers swallows his pride and removes the "draft-night-embarrassment chip" from his shoulder to play for the 49ers. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

17 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

No way Rodgers swallows his pride and removes the "draft-night-embarrassment chip" from his shoulder to play for the 49ers. 

eh, depends how he looks at it - they've owned him in the playoffs recently, and his ego could view it as a "you need me to win a Super Bowl" sort of thing...ride into San Fran and try to win a title on his way to retiring.  

Not that I expect it to happen - his contract would likely frighten the 49ers away before seriously kicking the tires on any sort of trade like that.

[HarryDoyle]

27 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

eh, depends how he looks at it - they've owned him in the playoffs recently, and his ego could view it as a "you need me to win a Super Bowl" sort of thing...ride into San Fran and try to win a title on his way to retiring.  

Not that I expect it to happen - his contract would likely frighten the 49ers away before seriously kicking the tires on any sort of trade like that.

What do you mean recently??? 

[CheezWizHed]

On 1/18/2023 at 2:12 PM, Fear The Chorizo said:

eh, depends how he looks at it - they've owned him in the playoffs recently, and his ego could view it as a "you need me to win a Super Bowl" sort of thing...ride into San Fran and try to win a title on his way to retiring.  

Not that I expect it to happen - his contract would likely frighten the 49ers away before seriously kicking the tires on any sort of trade like that.

This is the guy that disowned his family.... I don't see him giving up grudges too easily.

[HarryDoyle]

The only reason the fraudulent Giants were not eliminated last week is because the Vikings were even bigger frauds. They'll be knocked out in a couple hours.

[MrTPlush]

26 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

The only reason the fraudulent Giants were not eliminated last week is because the Vikings were even bigger frauds. They'll be knocked out in a couple hours.

I’m not sure they are frauds…they are what they are. A slightly above average team, just like their record.

[HarveysWBs]

I'm watching this Bills-Bengals game and I can't shake the feeling that it is a very familiar experience.  Phenomenal quarterback that everyone absolutely raves about, years of regular season success, positive press abounding, home playoff game outside in January, but for all these positives, the whole team comes up small--especially the quarterback.  They're losing big to a team that gets maybe half the attention, but seems to be better in these head-to-head matchups.  Leaves you with the impression that the home team here is just good-but-not-great.

I can't for the life of me figure out where I've seen this before, though...

[Fear The Chorizo]

Bills are not built for January football,  particularly on defense. Plus, they were a mash unit on that side of the ball.  Cincy dominated the trenches on a slick field, and now have a great shot in arrowhead with Mahomes on a bum ankle.

[homer]

clock management remains a mystery to 90% of nfl coaches 

[MrTPlush]

Brock Purdy is the 4th rookie to lead a team to the championship game.

Big Ben - #11 overall

Joe Flacco - #18 overall

Mark Sanchez - #5 overall 

Brock Purdy - #262 overall

None of them managed to make the Super Bowl, Purdy would be the first if he can do it.

[nate82]

I still believe Prescott is the most overrated QB in the NFL.  At best he is an average QB but gets hyped as a top QB.  The Cowboys were playing better without Prescott than with him.

Prescott was one of the main reasons why the Cowboys lost.

[Fear The Chorizo]

2 hours ago, MrTPlush said:

Brock Purdy is the 4th rookie to lead a team to the championship game.

Big Ben - #11 overall

Joe Flacco - #18 overall

Mark Sanchez - #5 overall 

Brock Purdy - #262 overall

None of them managed to make the Super Bowl, Purdy would be the first if he can do it.

all of them have 2 things in common - a great defense and ground game that led them to a championship game

I wouldn't be shocked if the 49ers can go to Philly and win next weekend because they have marquee talent all over the field and their defense should be able to limit what the Eagles can do offensively (and Hurts will be making just his 3rd playoff start as well).  What would shock me is if the 49ers win because Purdy aired it out against a really good pass defense on the road.  Dak played an awful game that allowed the 49ers to grind out a home win where they really didn't have to rely on Purdy making plays downfield - his biggest passing play was an unbelievable catch by Kittle that a better thrown ball could've wound up being a touchdown.    

The Eagles' defense has the horses in the secondary to match up man to man on the outside and play some coverage games against Kittle that are going to take away the simple short throws to guys breaking wide open into short and medium zones - 49ers are going to want to run early and often, and they're going to rely on their own defense keeping Philly from scoring too much to force things into a track meet.  

[MrTPlush]

8 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

all of them have 2 things in common - a great defense and ground game that led them to a championship game

I wouldn't be shocked if the 49ers can go to Philly and win next weekend because they have marquee talent all over the field and their defense should be able to limit what the Eagles can do offensively (and Hurts will be making just his 3rd playoff start as well).  What would shock me is if the 49ers win because Purdy aired it out against a really good pass defense on the road.  Dak played an awful game that allowed the 49ers to grind out a home win where they really didn't have to rely on Purdy making plays downfield - his biggest passing play was an unbelievable catch by Kittle that a better thrown ball could've wound up being a touchdown.    

The Eagles' defense has the horses in the secondary to match up man to man on the outside and play some coverage games against Kittle that are going to take away the simple short throws to guys breaking wide open into short and medium zones - 49ers are going to want to run early and often, and they're going to rely on their own defense keeping Philly from scoring too much to force things into a track meet.  

Sure, that’s pretty much the recipe for any Super Bowl winning team. It is why Rodgers never won a second Super Bowl. Despite all the draft resources used, they could not build a decent defense. Without a good defense, we couldn’t grind down teams with our run game because we were always in shootouts. The average points given up in playoff losses has to be close to be 35+ points. Heck, the two worst performances by Rodgers’ offense in the playoffs were arguably wins in the bay the special teams had miraculous choke jobs to blow the games (blocked punt for a TD in 2021 and the onside kick recovery against SEA).

There is a reason the 49ers have seen two Super Bowls since then with average QBs and have a chance to do it again with the last pick in the previous draft. Defense…defense defense defense. Rodgers had a Top 10 defense three times. Lost giving up 51 points, won a Super Bowl, and gave up 37 points to a team throwing the ball 8 times.

I feel like the 49ers luck is due to end. The 49ers defense is stellar, but Hurts is really good. I’m not very confident Purdy can game manage against a great defense enough to outscore Hurts’ offense. Purdy has done well limiting turnovers, but I he seems due for an INT or two…and their offense is likely to struggle as is. I think the Eagles are the worst team for the 49ers left. If they can pull it off, I like their chances in the Super Bowl, regardless of opponent.

[Fear The Chorizo]

The 49ers defense is stellar, but Hurts is really good. I’m not very confident Purdy can game manage against a great defense enough to outscore Hurts’ offense. 

This is exactly where I'm at - it's not that I think Purdy is garbage at the quarterback position...I just think he's been given too much of the credit by some for the team getting to the NFCCG and people wondering if he's the longterm starter for a team in the middle of their window to win a Super Bowl above a young quarterback drafted 2nd overall just two springs ago.  

[homer]

Dang, Cowboys throwing Dak into the woodchipper lol

 

[jerichoholicninja]

19 hours ago, HarveysWBs said:

I'm watching this Bills-Bengals game and I can't shake the feeling that it is a very familiar experience.  Phenomenal quarterback that everyone absolutely raves about, years of regular season success, positive press abounding, home playoff game outside in January, but for all these positives, the whole team comes up small--especially the quarterback.  They're losing big to a team that gets maybe half the attention, but seems to be better in these head-to-head matchups.  Leaves you with the impression that the home team here is just good-but-not-great.

I can't for the life of me figure out where I've seen this before, though...

 

The Patriots and Tom Brady have really skewed people's views of what's realistic in terms of winning championships. The Chiefs have won 7 straight division titles and been the #1 or #2 seed 6 of those times and have only won 1 super bowl.

[MrTPlush]

38 minutes ago, jerichoholicninja said:

 

The Patriots and Tom Brady have really skewed people's views of what's realistic in terms of winning championships. The Chiefs have won 7 straight division titles and been the #1 or #2 seed 6 of those times and have only won 1 super bowl.

Yah, if it was as easy Mahomes would have a few. Yet he has one win and an absolute buttkicking in another Super Bowl. 

Not everyone can play in a weak division and get carried by a defense year after year. Tom Brady led an offense to 20 points or less 15 times in the playoffs, about 33% of the time. On the flip side Rodgers has done it four times (three of which were 20 points), and Mahomes has only done it once. Going by points allowed, Tom Brady has only experienced a non Top-10 defense along side him three times.

[owbc]

15 hours ago, nate82 said:

I still believe Prescott is the most overrated QB in the NFL.  At best he is an average QB but gets hyped as a top QB.  The Cowboys were playing better without Prescott than with him.

Prescott was one of the main reasons why the Cowboys lost.

The Cowboys remind me of the pre-2016 Cubs or perhaps the Yankees over the past ~15 years. Or the Maple Leafs in hockey. The "championship or bust" mentality is a recipe for disaster in the playoffs. It wears on the players and the coaches. I know they are professionals but the competition is so close at the highest level and that added bit of pressure makes a difference. Or in the opposite case the Bengals have a chip on their shoulder this year. 

And then with the Cowboys you have the specific dynamic with Jerry Jones. So many different personnel have rotated through there and the result has been the same every time. It's not a coincidence. 

It can be overcome, but the barrier to doing so is higher and I don't think anyone has figured out a recipe other than "be so much better than the opposition that it doesn't matter" and even so the Cubs went to game 7 and had to get saved by that rain delay or we'd still be talking about their championship drought. 

[MrTPlush]

Dak is a good QB, but like 25 QBs in football, he isn't elite. I don't know that Dak, or pretty much any other non elite QB, can actually lead a team to a Super Bowl win. He wouldn't catch as much heat or attention if he didn't play for a team like the Cowboys. 

[HarveysWBs]

I for one am thrilled to see the 49ers crash out of the title game after blowing a bunch of draft capital on CMC, a talented but injury-prone running back (of all positions).  Let’s see how smart the Niners brass looks when they still haven’t figured out their QB position and they have to start paying their studs who are nearing the end of their rookie deals.

[wallus]

Hopefully the AFC Championship game is better than this game.