Hypothetically, who, if anyone, would you trade Chourio for?

[adambr2]

Title subject pretty much says it all. 

Chourio's star is no doubt shining bright. However, with that bright shiny star comes a great deal of value should we be buying at the deadline. At some point, if all or most of our OF prospects pan out, someone is going to be dealt.

So I ask, is there any deal you could see (realistically) being made where you would be ok with sending him? If there was an ace pitcher available at the deadline with a couple years of control? An elite pitching prospect? A couple of strong pieces to fill multiple weaknesses to make a run this year?

Or, is the risk of giving up the next Acuna simply too great to even consider this option? The Brewers are not an organization that can afford to give up a cost controlled player who ends up becoming one of the game's elite. Of course, as Keston Hiura will attest to, that ain't always how things work out. 

Always enjoy debating such hypotheticals. I for one hope Chourio is signed here for a 10-15 year deal and becomes one of the Brewer greats. 

[wallus]

I think it would take a can't miss stud 3rd baseman and a stud starting pitcher. Both of the players would have to have at least 4 years of control left as well.

[sveumrules]

Some candidates from a pure value standpoint would be someone like Alcantara, under control at 5/70 for ages 27-31 if the team option is exercised.

Manoah has been among the best pitchers in MLB since his call up with five years of control remaining.

Strider, Framber, McClanahan are other young ace calibre pitchers with lots of control remaining.

Adley would be tops on the position player side. Already up and performing at an elite level playing the most difficult position on the diamond with six years of team control remaining.

Guys like JRam, JRod, Acuna or Wander that have reasonable long term deals would fit the bill too.

Don’t really see any realistic scenario where Chourio is dealt, though, even if he struggles at AA this year.

It’s just exceedingly rare & takes the perfect combination of conditions (generational talent Soto stuck on going nowhere Nats) to see guys traded with that level of surplus value.

[wallus]

Something like Painter and Bohm from the Phillies fits the bill value wise (according the website) but I probably wouldn't do that. I would trade Burnes for Painter in the offseason however.

[Brewcrew82]

3 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Some candidates from a pure value standpoint would be someone like Alcantara, under control at 5/70 for ages 27-31 if the team option is exercised.

Manoah has been among the best pitchers in MLB since his call up with five years of control remaining.

Strider, Framber, McClanahan are other young ace calibre pitchers with lots of control remaining.

Adley would be tops on the position player side. Already up and performing at an elite level playing the most difficult position on the diamond with six years of team control remaining.

Guys like JRam, JRod, Acuna or Wander that have reasonable long term deals would fit the bill too.

Don’t really see any realistic scenario where Chourio is dealt, though, even if he struggles at AA this year.

It’s just exceedingly rare & takes the perfect combination of conditions (generational talent Soto stuck on going nowhere Nats) to see guys traded with that level of surplus value.

I would add Yordan Alvarez to your list, too. But, yeah, that's what I've got. 

[rickh150]

The top pitching prospect in baseball, whoever that may be….great young pitching has to be in our pipeline as a small market.

[sveumrules]

44 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I would add Yordan Alvarez to your list, too. But, yeah, that's what I've got. 

Yordan is a good call too. His 6/110 extension kicks in this year and covers his age 26-31 seasons.

Trout (176) and Judge (168) are the only two to have bettered Alvarez’s 164 wRC+ since he debuted in 2019. Even Soto is only at a 154 mark.

If we’re talking hypotheticals, let’s say Ohtani and Trout both have a healthy, productive 2023, but the Angels still flounder. Their bullpen literally just gave up a 3 run HR as I’m typing this.

Shohei walks in FA, Mike demands a trade, he would have 7/248 left on his deal covering ages 32-38.

On the flip let’s say Jackson splits the year between AA/AAA. He doesn’t quite match his 160 wRC+ from Carolina, but more than holds his own as a 19 year old in the 130-140 range.

Would you deal Chourio for Trout?

[brewcrewdue80]

Why do this? #1 prospect. Nobody. 

The question is who of Weimer, Mitchell, and Frelick are you trading.  That's going to happen to create a spot on roster for him in OF.  Every game that passes with Frelick in the minors, after this road trip, I assume it will be him. Chourio is like the Brewers franchise version to the Bucks with Giannis now in his 2nd season. Obscure. Hits the ground running. Accolade on talent.  

Why trade him for a star with a large contract? Like for a second I thought about Julio Rodriguez but basically that's just Chourio 2 seasons earlier. 

Ugh, now I suppose being in win now that is who I'd trade him for. I'd send Seattle anyone else they asked for with Yelich and make extending Woodruff or Burnes with the money opened up long term.

 

[wallus]

10 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Why do this?

It's the Trade Rumors and Proposals part of the forum?

[brewcrewdue80]

57 minutes ago, wallus said:

It's the Trade Rumors and Proposals part of the forum?

Wallus sure. But you're talking the 1st ever #1 Brewers prospect and ignore the probability the Front office would never trade such a player.  RHB to mix with all these LHBs.  A comp to players that are succeeding as generational talents. Rodriquez is the only player I can think of who is this comp that has team control and just happens to be 2years ahead of Chourio's timeline but a year older to start. He's at least signed to a deal beyond 6years team control. So it's not like losing the 6-7 seasons you would control Chourio.  But then again, Seattle scored just 8years of team control while paying  the man 120mil guaranteed. So more than one would think to extend a player 1 season beyond the 6.171 service time, and take on all the risk.

Our window is 2 years with the current pitching. Chourio appears to be 2 years too late for the team window. As the probability is high they will trade Woodruff or Burnes before playoffs next season.

 

[Playing Catch]

On 4/7/2023 at 6:39 PM, sveumrules said:

Some candidates from a pure value standpoint would be someone like Alcantara, under control at 5/70 for ages 27-31 if the team option is exercised.

Manoah has been among the best pitchers in MLB since his call up with five years of control remaining.

Strider, Framber, McClanahan are other young ace calibre pitchers with lots of control remaining.

Adley would be tops on the position player side. Already up and performing at an elite level playing the most difficult position on the diamond with six years of team control remaining.

Guys like JRam, JRod, Acuna or Wander that have reasonable long term deals would fit the bill too.

Don’t really see any realistic scenario where Chourio is dealt, though, even if he struggles at AA this year.

It’s just exceedingly rare & takes the perfect combination of conditions (generational talent Soto stuck on going nowhere Nats) to see guys traded with that level of surplus value.

Basically what Sveum said...

I think what would make sense was to find a confirmed good to very good big leaguer that only has 3-4 years of control remaining, so the Brewers would be exchanging the extra team control and development risk of Chourio for confirmed production for 3-4 years.

Austin Riley?

I think that there's a strong argument for trading players like Chourio, as so often happens, those players never quite live up to the sky-high expectations of being the top prospect. Although, in recent seasons, many of those players DO turn out to be great.

Since this is a hypothetical. Why not package Chourio with Yelich (and his waived no-trade clause), and use the savings to extend Woodruff?

[nate82]

1 hour ago, Playing Catch said:

Since this is a hypothetical. Why not package Chourio with Yelich (and his waived no-trade clause), and use the savings to extend Woodruff?

Because you would be receiving negative value even with extending Woodruff. 

[brewcrewdue80]

5 hours ago, nate82 said:

Because you would be receiving negative value even with extending Woodruff. 

Kinda depends who the other team traded to us which wasn't added the true target.

In a vacuum, the team has 3 stud starters right now. If trading Chourio that should be for someone batting that will be feared in the 2-4 lineup spot.  

But as I said earlier, why are we trading Chourio vs the other 3 OFs? He's a win now value for someone that has to be great right now. Perennial All Star. Who's not a hindrance to the payroll.

 

[jay87shot]

On 4/8/2023 at 12:10 AM, sveumrules said:

Would you deal Chourio for Trout?

No. But maybe Yeli and Chourio for Trout and a sweetner (still probably not).

The only deal I could see us giving up Chourio would be for a young near star (most stars the other team wouldn't do) and a few good prospects. Maybe if he has a decent but not amazing year and all 3 OF prospects are great in mlb play, I could see something next offseason.

[paul253]

I know prospect for prospect deals are rare but it always made sense to me to trade him for Elly De La Cruz. You want your young stud third basemen there he is.