Brewers (Burnes) vs Diamondbacks (Kelly): 4/11/23, 8:40pm

[Brock Beauchamp]

Hey look, an even later game!

Burnes is back on the bump and hopefully gets himself back on track, as the Brewers have lost (gasp!) two out of three!

[brewmann04]

Go to need the CY Version of Burnes tonight

[MrTPlush]

So, I have come to a pretty in-depth conclusion after researching all of our losses this season:

You do indeed need more than 0 runs to win a game.

[YelichPosse]

39 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

So, I have come to a pretty in-depth conclusion after researching all of our losses this season:

You do indeed need more than 0 runs to win a game.

Gotta score to win. If ya don't score, ya won't win. Sounds like a Yogi-ism. But its plain truth haha.

[treego14]

DBacks will be Burned tonight!  We're coming to fight!

Brew Crew and Yeli will overwhelm Kelly!

Brewers Nation is at rest; we know we are the best!

Rookie or Vet, the Brewers are your best bet!

[dlk9s]

Well, the good news is that we know if we score, we definitely win.

[Jake McKibbin]

If Corbin can dial in the cutter down and in to right handers, we should see the dominant version. He is an abnormally large swing rate on that pitch out of the zone, and a high whiff % too (beginning to think a deep dive is in order). If he can set that up and execute, the D'backs are gonna be in trouble

[folly412]

Maybe Burnes can get the Gallen zone from last night...

 

[SeaBass]

53 minutes ago, treego14 said:

DBacks will be Burned tonight!  We're coming to fight!

Brew Crew and Yeli will overwhelm Kelly!

Brewers Nation is at rest; we know we are the best!

Rookie or Vet, the Brewers are your best bet!

Got Burnes on the hill

Score some runs and we will win

Crew triumph tonight

[KeithStone53151]

49 minutes ago, folly412 said:

Maybe Burnes can get the Gallen zone from last night...

 

I was going to post this just now as well. What a yikes that these calls so often went against the Brewers. The ones against BA were quite significant, 2 on with 0 outs is so much different than 1 on 1 out. It's that many more pitches Gallen would have to throw early, and odds of getting at least 1 run with 2 on 0 out is more likely than unlikely at that point. I'm ready for robots...

[brewcrewdue80]

15 minutes ago, KeithStone53151 said:

I was going to post this just now as well. What a yikes that these calls so often went against the Brewers. The ones against BA were quite significant, 2 on with 0 outs is so much different than 1 on 1 out. It's that many more pitches Gallen would have to throw early, and odds of getting at least 1 run with 2 on 0 out is more likely than unlikely at that point. I'm ready for robots...

Right it's almost 2 runs scored it shows due to strike zone.  Helped that pitch count to go easy 7innings. Maybe Brewers get hits off a different RP for 1 inning.  Or with 2 on early 2nd inning, he throws less knuckle curves since he's struggling locating it for strikes.  4-0 and 3-0 losses to bad umps this season. Still competitive game results.

[KeithStone53151]

5 minutes ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Right it's almost 2 runs scored it shows due to strike zone.  Helped that pitch count to go easy 7innings. Maybe Brewers get hits off a different RP for 1 inning.  Or with 2 on early 2nd inning, he throws less knuckle curves since he's struggling locating it for strikes.  4-0 and 3-0 losses to bad umps this season. Still competitive game results.

It's gotta be frustrating for a player to adjust your mindset to swing at a pitch you know is a ball because the ump is calling a bad zone. The 3-1 and 3-2 pitch were the same, the old school stay off my lawn types will say "as long as it's consistent"...but that's just nonsense. Consistently wrong is still wrong and it shouldn't be on the players to figure that out in game. You can't exactly be too hard on the umps, they certainly call the the pitches lightyears better than any of us ever could. I'm just ready for the technology that will get the calls correct and consistent.

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, KeithStone53151 said:

It's gotta be frustrating for a player to adjust your mindset to swing at a pitch you know is a ball because the ump is calling a bad zone. The 3-1 and 3-2 pitch were the same, the old school stay off my lawn types will say "as long as it's consistent"...but that's just nonsense. Consistently wrong is still wrong and it shouldn't be on the players to figure that out in game. You can't exactly be too hard on the umps, they certainly call the the pitches lightyears better than any of us ever could. I'm just ready for the technology that will get the calls correct and consistent.

What’s worse is it wasn’t consistent. Miley put two cutters just off the inside corner against Marte where Gallen was getting strikes all game and the ump didn’t call either of them strikes. Christian Walker hit a 2-out, 2-run HR later that inning. That HR doesn’t happen if Miley got the same extra 2-3 inches off the inside edge against RHH that Gallen got. 

[Brewcrew82]

29 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

What’s worse is it wasn’t consistent. Miley put two cutters just off the inside corner against Marte where Gallen was getting strikes all game and the ump didn’t call either of them strikes. Christian Walker hit a 2-out, 2-run HR later that inning. That HR doesn’t happen if Miley got the same extra 2-3 inches off the inside edge against RHH that Gallen got. 

Yeah. I'm comfortable saying more than any game I've seen that we lost that game in large part due to umpiring. 

[MrTPlush]

1 hour ago, wiguy94 said:

What’s worse is it wasn’t consistent. Miley put two cutters just off the inside corner against Marte where Gallen was getting strikes all game and the ump didn’t call either of them strikes. Christian Walker hit a 2-out, 2-run HR later that inning. That HR doesn’t happen if Miley got the same extra 2-3 inches off the inside edge against RHH that Gallen got. 

Pitch #4 was called pretty frequently all game…pitch #3 was outside of even his massive strike zone though. 
 

Some of the calls were incredibly untimely for us (overall call favor was AZ 10-9), the Brian Anderson K in the 2nd easily being the worst,  but the D Backs managed to make a clutch hit to make it into something. Still gotta do something to get Marte from first to home, they hit a homer. Even if you assumed Brian Anderson was given the walk and Mitchell then still walked to load the bases…both Voit and Turang both made zero contact in the ABs to strikeout that inning. The hypothetical third guy to be up after loading the bases was Weimer…who also swung a wet noodle making zero contact in his first AB.

Mitchell was absolutely gifted a walk to lead off the inning in the 5th. Instead of taking advantage, Voit decided to bail out the ump grounding into a double play.

If we are going to depend on good umpiring to win games and not strike out 15 times…this team is in serious trouble.

[wiguy94]

3 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

Pitch #4 was called pretty frequently all game…pitch #3 was outside of even his massive strike zone though. 
 

Some of the calls were incredibly untimely for us (overall call favor was AZ 10-9), the Brian Anderson K in the 2nd easily being the worst,  but the D Backs managed to make a clutch hit to make it into something. Still gotta do something to get Marte from first to home, they hit a homer. Even if you assumed Brian Anderson was given the walk and Mitchell then still walked to load the bases…both Voit and Turang both made zero contact in the ABs to strikeout that inning. The hypothetical third guy to be up after loading the bases was Weimer…who also swung a wet noodle making zero contact in his first AB.

Mitchell was absolutely gifted a walk to lead off the inning in the 5th. Instead of taking advantage, Voit decided to bail out the ump grounding into a double play.

If we are going to depend on good umpiring to win games and not strike out 15 times…this team is in serious trouble.

There was a wild pitch in the Voit AB. That's a run right there. Also you're in here once again defending the ump when his calls gifted the Diamondbacks a 1.5 expected run advantage against lmao. 

[MrTPlush]

4 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

There was a wild pitch in the Voit AB. That's a run right there. Also you're in here once again defending the ump when his calls gifted the Diamondbacks a 1.5 expected run advantage against lmao. 

So we still would have lost? So the real issue we should be concerned about is in fact not the umpiring?

I keep trying to find where I am defending the ump...but I will keep looking for you.

[wiguy94]

3 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

So we still would have lost? So the real issue we should be concerned about is in fact not the umpiring?

I keep trying to find where I am defending the ump...but I will keep looking for you.

If you can't see that you've been backing up the ump since the game thread last night then I don't know how to help you buddy.

Every single comment you've been trying to diminish the ump's impact on the game when his impact was staggering even just based on an umpire scorecard before factoring in any additional context.

[MrTPlush]

2 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

If you can't see that you've been backing up the ump since the game thread last night then I don't know how to help you buddy.

There is really no need to be condescending man. I like to think you are better than that. 

[wiguy94]

Just now, MrTPlush said:

There is really no need to be condescending man. I like to think you are better than that. 

You started the condescension with this comment.

"I keep trying to find where I am defending the ump...but I will keep looking for you."

If you don't want me to be condescending towards you then all you have to do is not initiate the condescension.

[MrTPlush]

My point is not to diminish the umpires impact on the game. It was easily one of the worst and most annoying games to watch in the regard...in a long time. The point is we lost either way. People are acting like we were swinging at pitches in the dirt because the zone was 2.5 inches wider. No amount of umpiring correctly would have saved our hitters from attempting to golf Gallen's curves off the bounce. The umpires clown performance was one game...I am more concerned about the blind flailing at pitches, especially by the rookies. No doubt teams are going to see on film our rookies were 5 feet from hitting those curves. 

[Jake McKibbin]

1 hour ago, MrTPlush said:

Pitch #4 was called pretty frequently all game…pitch #3 was outside of even his massive strike zone though. 
 

Some of the calls were incredibly untimely for us (overall call favor was AZ 10-9), the Brian Anderson K in the 2nd easily being the worst,  but the D Backs managed to make a clutch hit to make it into something. Still gotta do something to get Marte from first to home, they hit a homer. Even if you assumed Brian Anderson was given the walk and Mitchell then still walked to load the bases…both Voit and Turang both made zero contact in the ABs to strikeout that inning. The hypothetical third guy to be up after loading the bases was Weimer…who also swung a wet noodle making zero contact in his first AB.

Mitchell was absolutely gifted a walk to lead off the inning in the 5th. Instead of taking advantage, Voit decided to bail out the ump grounding into a double play.

If we are going to depend on good umpiring to win games and not strike out 15 times…this team is in serious trouble.

Also think the Voit ab is interesting. If wiener turang or Mitchell are on 1st I think the AB's should really be taken deep by the next hitter. Those boys can steal at high rates, but second pitch swing just killed him. 

[Team Canada]

2 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

You started the condescension with this comment.

"I keep trying to find where I am defending the ump...but I will keep looking for you."

If you don't want me to be condescending towards you then all you have to do is not initiate the condescension.

"But you started it" is a weak argument that a kid uses. You can still respond diplomatically while still conveying your point. There's no tit for tat requirement.

[wiguy94]

16 minutes ago, Team Canada said:

"But you started it" is a weak argument that a kid uses. You can still respond diplomatically while still conveying your point. There's no tit for tat requirement.

Is calling a poster childish something a moderator should do? Your message would have been the exact same if you cut out the first sentence, but you as a "moderator" felt the need to call someone a child?

I think you could read your own message back "You can still respond diplomatically while still conveying your point." and respond more diplomatically while still conveying your point next time.

[KeithStone53151]

I'd like to see Voit get a start over Tellez today. Tellez is 0 for 9 against Kelly career, Voit is 2 for 7 with 2 dingers. Also Tellez isn't exactly lighting the world on fire right now. Yelich, Adames, Winker, Contreras, Anderson, Mitchell, Voit, Turang, Wiemer. Could swap Voit and Anderson for same effect.