Tigers (Lorenzen) vs Brewers (Peralta): 4/26/23, 12:40pm

[Brock Beauchamp]

WIN A GAME ALREADY

[Jake McKibbin]

To be fair to Detroit, some of their hitters numbers have been far lower than their expected stats. That being said, last night's loss, and in particular Lauer's pitching performance, hurt. He looked sharp in first two innings, but we're not quite getting those key hits we did earlier in the season, or getting men on base at the same clip.

 

Couple of good news stats

 

Owen Miller has a ridiculously low whiff rate of 12.7%

Lorenzen has been barreled up to the tune o f 15.4% of his BBE's. 

[treego14]

Will we start Luke Voit?

Will we ever beat Detroit?

Let's get ready!

It's time for Freddy!

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Freddy is in dire need of a "get right" start today. With Woody down and Burnes scuffling, he needs to step up as the stopper.

[wiguy94]

Need to get off to a good start in this one. 3 game losing streak and we have been down early in all 3. 
 

Down 4-0 in the 2nd yesterday. 
Down 3-1 heading into bottom of 3rd Monday. 
Down 3-0 in the 2nd on Sunday. 
 

Absolutely need Freddy to bounce back today. 

[treego14]

[Brewcrew82]

Again with the “Narvaez treatment” by CC for Contreras…You can’t just take one of your best hitters out of the lineup completely every few days

[wibadgers23]

8 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Again with the “Narvaez treatment” by CC for Contreras…You can’t just take one of your best hitters out of the lineup completely every few days

Agreed completely.  I understand your catcher needs a day off here and there but not every few days.  Heck, put him at DH when he needs a day off.  He needs to be in the damn lineup.  

[Oxy]

9 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Again with the “Narvaez treatment” by CC for Contreras…You can’t just take one of your best hitters out of the lineup completely every few days

Day game after a night game vs a righty=Caratini 100% of the time.  If Winker is hurt or completely tanks then maybe Contreras gets some DH time in day games like this.  Otherwise, when ARE you going to sit him?  Catchers simply cannot play more than 80% of the time, max.  Plus, Caratini isn't bad.

[Brewcrew82]

5 minutes ago, Oxy said:

Day game after a night game vs a righty=Caratini 100% of the time.  If Winker is hurt or completely tanks then maybe Contreras gets some DH time in day games like this.  Otherwise, when ARE you going to sit him?  Catchers simply cannot play more than 80% of the time, max.  Plus, Caratini isn't bad.

Contreras is one of our best hitters (if not our best) vs. LHP and RHP. He needs to be in the lineup almost everyday. Not taken out of there completely every few days.

Yes he needs rest from catching, but the DH spot is available and CC for whatever reason refuses to use it for Contreras, when that was only his primary spot last season for Atlanta and he started there in the All Star game. Winker needs his fair share off days himself due to his injury history and isn’t exactly lighting things up right now. I would have started Contreras over him today. 

[Oxy]

You'd probably wait for a lefty to play Contreras at DH and then put Voit at 1st for Tellez.

[nate82]

If on the day Contreras is not catching and is playing DH and Caratini suffers an injury that means the Brewers lose the DH for that game and the pitcher will now be batting.  Better to just let Contreras sit for a day.  I don't see it hurting him or the team at all. 

[wiguy94]

54 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Again with the “Narvaez treatment” by CC for Contreras…You can’t just take one of your best hitters out of the lineup completely every few days

Catchers basically never catch day games after night games. You're making this way more difficult than it has to be.

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, wiguy94 said:

Catchers basically never catch day games after night games. You're making this way more difficult than it has to be.

No I’m not. I’m fully aware of that fact, and I’ve reiterated that. But Contreras isn’t just an ordinary light-hitting catcher like Narvaez. He’s one of our best bats and needs to be in the lineup almost every day, not taken out of it completely at least once a series. The DH is there. Use it, particularly with Winker’s injury history and slow start. We need the firepower.

Right now, CC is treating Contreras no differently than he did Narvaez. That’s a problem, when Contreras’ bat is superior and more like Grandal who played more than 150 games for us in 2019. Not saying Contreras should play quite that many, but the DH is there for a reason. 

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, Brewcrew82 said:

No I’m not. I’m fully aware of that fact, and I’ve reiterated that. But Contreras isn’t just an ordinary light-hitting catcher like Narvaez. He’s one of our best bats and needs to be in the lineup almost every day, not taken out of it completely at least once a series. The DH is there. Use it, particularly with Winker’s injury history and slow start. We need the firepower.

Right now, CC is treating Contreras no differently than he did Narvaez. That’s a problem, when Contreras’ bat is superior and more like Grandal who played more than 150 games for us in 2019. Not saying Contreras should play quite that many, but the DH is there for a reason. 

So you just want to give up on Winker 24 games into a season! Fantastic idea!

I've also explained ad nauseum why Contreras is not remotely comparable to Grandal. Stop comparing the two situations.

[Brewcrew82]

19 minutes ago, nate82 said:

If on the day Contreras is not catching and is playing DH and Caratini suffers an injury that means the Brewers lose the DH for that game and the pitcher will now be batting.  Better to just let Contreras sit for a day.  I don't see it hurting him or the team at all. 

Braves didn’t seem to have a problem with that when Contreras was their DH for a significant amount of time last year with D’Arnaud catching. 

It most definitely hurts the team when one of your best bats is regularly taken out of the lineup. We have a hard enough time scoring runs as it is. 
 

[Brewcrew82]

15 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

So you just want to give up on Winker 24 games into a season! Fantastic idea!

I've also explained ad nauseum why Contreras is not remotely comparable to Grandal. Stop comparing the two situations.

Pray tell, where did I say I wanted to give up on Winker? I’m pretty sure I didn’t…Merely that he has an injury history himself which requires his fair share of days off. 

You can use hyperbole all you want, but the fact of the matter is that Contreras’ bat is a lot more comparable to Grandal’s than Narvaez’s. Yet, CC has only opted to DH Contreras once thus far, when the Braves took the opposite course last season. 135-140 total games with 30-35 or so at DH is eminently reasonable. Give Contreras days off from catching against LHP when you can plug him at DH with Winker out of the lineup…

[wiguy94]

2 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Pray tell, where did I say I wanted to give up on Winker? I’m pretty sure I didn’t…Merely that he has an injury history himself which requires his fair share of days off. 

You can use hyperbole all you want, but the fact of the matter is that Contreras’ bat is a lot more comparable to Grandal’s than Narvaez’s. Yet, CC has only opted to DH Contreras once thus far, when the Braves took the opposite course last season. 135-140 total games with 30-35 or so at DH is eminently reasonable. Give Contreras days off from catching against LHP…

Contreras played 97 games in the MLB last season and 13 in AAA. He's on pace to play 15 more games this season than he did in the 110 games combined last year.

Winker had a day off 2 days ago and was pinch hit for yesterday. He's also being exclusively used as a DH so he doesn't need "rest days" when he isn't playing in the field.

[Outlander]

In general the Brewers should play Contreras more at DH, I don't exactly consider that a hot take and not sure why so many would disagree. However, do like Winker in this game. Next series against the Angels where they will likely face more lefties I think the Brewers start Contreras at DH. It is still early, Contreras will get his fair share there.

[wiguy94]

Would be nice to have a single game thread this season where people aren't complaining about Counsell's lineups.

[Brewcrew82]

7 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Contreras played 97 games in the MLB last season and 13 in AAA. He's on pace to play 15 more games this season than he did in the 110 games combined last year.

Winker had a day off 2 days ago and was pinch hit for yesterday. He's also being exclusively used as a DH so he doesn't need "rest days" when he isn't playing in the field.

And yet, you could play him in even more games if he DH'd more frequently. More games for one of our best hitters, whether at C or DH=a good thing...

Again, the problem could easily be solved if CC simply installed Contreras at DH against LHP, when Winker isn't in the lineup. 

[Brewcrew82]

5 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Would be nice to have a single game thread this season where people aren't complaining about Counsell's lineups.

It's okay for people to have viewpoints that you disagree with. 

[wiguy94]

5 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

And yet, you could play him in even more games if he DH'd more frequently. More games for one of our best hitters, whether at C or DH=a good thing...

Again, the problem could easily be solved if CC simply installed Contreras at DH against LHP, when Winker isn't in the lineup. 

Which again comes back to you wanting to give up on Winker 25 games into the season. We got Winker to be our every day DH against RHP.

[Patrick425]

Rock, that pitch to Winker did not fool the umpire. It was a ball.  So infuriating that Rock chooses to completely ignore the strike zone box. We should be praising the ump for being able to realize that pitch was low and out of the zone.

[Outlander]

Lots of patience by the Brewers, fouling off pitches. Lorenzen putting in a lot of work, could be gone early.