Diamondbacks (Gallen) vs Brewers (Teheran): 6/22/23, 1:10pm

[markedman5]

Amazing they only have 2 runs with all the walks and a hit batter.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

Just now, rickh150 said:

Not a solution. Pace would be awful. When robots come, we’ll ask why we didn’t use this earlier…. Just like pitch clock.

I don't know. The pace isn't bad in tennis. I just think there are going to be some very "ugly" strikes with a fully automated system. There are also going to be a lot of unhittable strikes. Every change creates unintended consequences, but the hybrid, challenge approach seems to make the most sense to me.

[BruisedCrew]

6 minutes ago, owbc said:

Everything I'm hearing from the tests is that they are going to approve the challenge system instead of full automation. It's already been proven to work and is widely liked, I think we'll see it in 2025 most likely. 

A challenge system on balls and strikes? How would that work?

With the number of pitches that people complain about on this site, if all of those were challenged the games would take four hours.

[RobertCrawley]

1 minute ago, rickh150 said:

Not a solution. Pace would be awful. When robots come, we’ll ask why we didn’t use this earlier…. Just like pitch clock.

Yet. Absolutely nothing will change to the viewer except that the umps won't need to crouch and the calls will be accurate.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Ump Scorecards only has this umpire calling pitches in two games though in those two games, his accuracy is 2nd percentile.

That tracks.

[RobertCrawley]

Let's hit into an easy double play.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

Just now, BruisedCrew said:

A challenge system on balls and strikes? How would that work?

With the number of pitches that people complain about on this site, if all of those were challenged the games would take four hours.

It's like tennis. You get a limited number of challenges per game and need to be judicious about how you use them. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

1 minute ago, BruisedCrew said:

A challenge system on balls and strikes? How would that work?

With the number of pitches that people complain about on this site, if all of those were challenged the games would take four hours.

Each team is allowed three (I think?) challenges that can be used by the batter, pitcher, or catcher. If you win the challenge, you maintain your current number of challenges.

I think it sounds like a pretty solid system, though I haven't seen it live yet.

[BruisedCrew]

1 minute ago, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

It's like tennis. You get a limited number of challenges per game and need to be judicious about how you use them. 

It sounds like that probably isn’t going to resolve many of the problems that people see. 

[owbc]

1 minute ago, BruisedCrew said:

It sounds like that probably isn’t going to resolve many of the problems that people see. 

The other important finding from the minors is that it makes the human umpires better because they get instant feedback on their calls. 

[RobertCrawley]

Nice straight fastball down the center to a professional hitter.

[Brock Beauchamp]

Well, this game is going right to hell.

[BruisedCrew]

Oh well. One run on three hits is much much more of an issue than an umpire’s call on a borderline pitch.

[BruisedCrew]

3 minutes ago, owbc said:

The other important finding from the minors is that it makes the human umpires better because they get instant feedback on their calls. 

I have a hard time understanding   , if the feedback is so accurate, why not just use that as the call in the first place?

[rickh150]

Contreras is at 17% for throwing out runners… not that it is his fault all the time.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

Just now, BruisedCrew said:

It sounds like that probably isn’t going to resolve many of the problems that people see. 

I just don't think you want to turn over the entirety of the strike zone to a machine. Check out "Subject to Review" on ESPN+. It's a fantastic deep-dive into Hawkeye in tennis, and it does a great job of covering some of the drawbacks of a camera-based system. Mainly, those drawbacks involve the cameras having their own margin of error and promoting the illusion of certainty. For me, the debate isn't between "wrong" umpires and "correct" technology. It's between authentically subjective umpires and falsely objective technology.

The automated strike zone would have a bias. It would not be neutral. I'd prefer we correct the most impactful missed calls rather than adopt a once-and-for-all, binding machine-centered viewpoint. If that makes me a Luddite, I accept it.

[RobertCrawley]

The bullpen let us down today.

[BruisedCrew]

2 minutes ago, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

I just don't think you want to turn over the entirety of the strike zone to a machine. Check out "Subject to Review" on ESPN+. It's a fantastic deep-dive into Hawkeye in tennis, and it does a great job of covering some of the drawbacks of a camera-based system. Mainly, those drawbacks involve the cameras having their own margin of error and promoting the illusion of certainty. For me, the debate isn't between "wrong" umpires and "correct" technology. It's between authentically subjective umpires and falsely objective technology.

The automated strike zone would have a bias. It would not be neutral. I'd prefer we correct the most impactful missed calls rather than adopt a once-and-for-all, binding machine-centered viewpoint. If that makes me a Luddite, I accept it.

Maybe people should just accept that there are going to be borderline and missed calls..

Just like with replay on other things all it does much of the time is push a controversy to another level.

[brewcrewdue80]

1 hour ago, markedman5 said:

Brutal

 

 0-11 1bb 2ks today. Bb immediately revolted by Miller gidp. 😂

[BruisedCrew]

3 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

The bullpen let us down today.

As compared to the offense?

[Pugger]

51 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

To be serious contenders, we really need Burnes to find his game.

To be a serious contender we need more consistent hitting.  IMO pitching isn't what is holding this team back.

[rickh150]

10 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

Contreras is at 17% for throwing out runners… not that it is his fault all 

[RobertCrawley]

2 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

As compared to the offense?

The offense is terrible, but the bullpen gave up 4 runs and the score is 4-1.

[RobertCrawley]

2 minutes ago, Pugger said:

To be a serious contender we need more consistent hitting.  IMO pitching isn't what is holding this team back.

That's what I'm saying. With our hitting, we need great pitching. It's possible to be in it with great pitching. 

[BruisedCrew]

2 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

The offense is terrible, but the bullpen gave up 4 runs and the score is 4-1.

Expecting to win a game 1-0 against a powerful hitting team is pretty unrealistic.

The Diamondbacks had base runners left and right, and they were going to score some eventually.