Brewers (Rea) vs Mets (Verlander): 6/26/23, 6:10pm

[Jopal78]

1 minute ago, mtsportsfan said:

These guys talking how good Verlander  looked ! BS ! Anybody other than the brewers  would have shelled him tonight ! 

Right on, sure didn’t look like a guy who won the Cy Young. Looked like a washed old timer trying to hang on. 

[markedman5]

9 minutes ago, Oxy said:

For all of those lamenting how poor the Brewers offense is,...I remember the mantra of "pitching wins in the playoffs" for like 25 years... and it's probably more like a 45 yr old mantra, but I'm only 41 years old...

No matter how good your pitching is……you aren’t going far with an offense that is at the bottom of the league. 
 

 

[BruisedCrew]

20 minutes ago, Oxy said:

For all of those lamenting how poor the Brewers offense is,...I remember the mantra of "pitching wins in the playoffs" for like 25 years... and it's probably more like a 45 yr old mantra, but I'm only 41 years old...

That mantra has been around for longer than 45 years, but once Bill James and the sabermateicians came along it has been debunked. But that doesn’t stop some from saying it. 
 

The high level refutation is that the playoffs usually feature better pitchers on a regular basis than during the regular season, so scoring is lower. But having better hitting gives teams a better chance to put up a few runs against that superior pitching. 
 

When anyone has tried to establish whether pitching or hitting wins championships, they usually conclude that it’s inconclusive either way.
 

If this Brewers team as currently constructed were to make the playoffs, the most likely result would be something similar to 2020 and 2021.

[edfunderburk]

4 minutes ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

0-8 0 runs obviously. 

1-10 1 run scored.

Now 2-8 with 2 runs scored.

3-26.

You are incredible

That was FAST 

🙌 💪 ⚾️

 

[BruisedCrew]

2 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

You are incredible

That was FAST 

🙌 💪 ⚾️

 

These things are very easy to find on the Baseball Reference site as long as you know where to look. 
 

They have tables showing how many times a team has scored or allowed a certain number of runs, and what their record is in those games. 

[wiguy94]

19 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

One thing you have to say for Adames……his defense has been stellar all season.

 

Great win!

Other than when he's being asked to keep the catcher's thrown down to 2B on steals in the infield.

[Jopal78]

We’re closing in on July and Winker has 4! XBH on the season,  can we please just DFA this clown already.

[brewcrewdue80]

4 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

You are incredible

That was FAST 

🙌 💪 ⚾️

 

Yep like bruisedcrew said. It's findable on BRef. They are incredible by tracking such stuff.

2-5 with 3R scored.

6-2 with 4R

9-2 with 5R.

5-2 6R. 8-0 with 7.

Have not finished a game yet at 8 runs.

[yourout]

11 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

These things are very easy to find on the Baseball Reference site as long as you know where to look. 
 

They have tables showing how many times a team has scored or allowed a certain number of runs, and what their record is in those games. 

I would love to see a chart with teams percentage of run scoring innings.

Have to be near the bottom.

[BruisedCrew]

1 hour ago, yourout said:

I would love to see a chart with teams percentage of run scoring innings.

Have to be near the bottom.

I’m not aware of a chart that presents this for all teams in one chart. But they do have a chart for each team individually that shows how many times they have scored anything in each inning and then how many times they have scored a certain number of runs. 
 

For the Brewers, they have scored something in 167 of 682 innings or 24.4%. For comparison, the Reds have scored in 222 of 694 innings, or 32%. 
 

If you had the patience you could do this for each team.
 

All of the teams in MLB combined have scored in 5803 of 20,761 innings or 28%. 

[yourout]

10 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

I’m not aware of a chart that presents this for all teams in one chart. But they do have a chart for each team individually that shows how many times they have scored anything in each inning and then how many times they have scored a certain number of runs. 
 

For the Brewers, they have scored something in 167 of 682 innings or 24.4%. For comparison, the Reds have scored in 222 of 694 innings, or 32%. 
 

If you had the patience you could do this for each team.
 

All of the teams in MLB combined have scored in 5803 of 20,761 innings or 28%. 

I'm actually surprised that percentage is that high.

[Jim French Stepstool]

5 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Superb Wiemer!  What's he gotta do to bat in top 5? Nearing team lead for HRs with quite less PAs seeing as 9th in batting order.

After a recent hot streak he hit in something like 4 different spots in as many games (was vehemently against it at the time) & went ice cold. 

Let the man be.

[BrewerFan]

2 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

After a recent hot streak he hit in something like 4 different spots in as many games (was vehemently against it at the time) & went ice cold. 

Let the man be.

You think there's a strong correlation between Wiemer hitting 9th an 6th? He's a streaky hitter. I don't think it's much more than that.

He's hit 8th or 9th the vast majority of the time with 1 start hitting 2nd, 1 hitting 5th, 4 hitting 7th and then...8th or 9th.

 

I think hitting him 5th or 6th vs lefties and then dropping him back down vs righties would be fine. The bigger issue is he's still just developing. I think one of the best things for his personnel development is given everyday in CF. Knowing he's going to start if he has an 0-4. That's more important than where he is in the lineup. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

Just now, BrewerFan said:

You think there's a strong correlation between Wiemer hitting 9th an 6th? He's a streaky hitter. I don't think it's much more than that.

He's hit 8th or 9th the vast majority of the time with 1 start hitting 2nd, 1 hitting 5th, 4 hitting 7th and then...8th or 9th.

 

I think hitting him 5th or 6th vs lefties and then dropping him back down vs righties would be fine. The bigger issue is he's still just developing. I think one of the best things for his personnel development is given everyday in CF. Knowing he's going to start if he has an 0-4. That's more important than where he is in the lineup. 

I agree he's going to be streaky at this point in his career regardless of where he hits. I think moving him around in the order would only make it worse. Maybe it shouldn't, I'll give you that.

Whatever CC can do to give him a chance at a comfort level, no matter how seemingly insignificant, I think should be done. 

And as long as Yelich stays hot, hitting in front of him isn't the worst thing in the world.

[BrewerFan]

17 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

I agree he's going to be streaky at this point in his career regardless of where he hits. I think moving him around in the order would only make it worse. Maybe it shouldn't, I'll give you that.

Whatever CC can do to give him a chance at a comfort level, no matter how seemingly insignificant, I think should be done. 

And as long as Yelich stays hot, hitting in front of him isn't the worst thing in the world.

I see that, he just doesn't strike me as the type who's going to change his approach. He plays with a reckless abandon that's great to see, but he's also improved on how selective he is(still not quite at that magic 10% BB rate).

Maybe there's less pressure.

I'm shocked Yelich is hitting as well as he is and this team is still struggling. 

 

Still have some level of faith Winker, Adames, Tellez and then hopefully Frelick, Hiura can help this team. Maybe even black if he gets bumped to AAA and he produces as I think he's capable of. 

Throw in a Grichuck, Turang down the stretch with the glove and on the base paths...I see a pathway for this team to get hot at the right time yet....albeit a very narrow one, one that includes Burnes throwing like a Cy Young winner again, Woody coming back and solidifying that BP. 

But that's a whole lot of wishing. Yelich is 3rd in Exit Velo this past month, Wiemer 7th and the later has a .260 BABIP. Call me an eternal optimist...

 

Or maybe the Baltimore Orioles get an ace and we get a 6'5 3B prospect. We'll see.

[brewcrewdue80]

5 hours ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

I agree he's going to be streaky at this point in his career regardless of where he hits. I think moving him around in the order would only make it worse. Maybe it shouldn't, I'll give you that.

Whatever CC can do to give him a chance at a comfort level, no matter how seemingly insignificant, I think should be done. 

And as long as Yelich stays hot, hitting in front of him isn't the worst thing in the world.

I get the moving him around in different spots daily argument. I'm not advocating that. I'm serious about just put him at a spot in the top 5. 2nd after Yelich. Keep him there.

3rd replacing Adames. Just keep him there.

4th instead of Tellez just keep him there.

5th instead of the dozen who've started there. Keep him there.

All instead of 9th.