Chafin to Brewers

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Secret cubs fans 

[BrewerFan]

22 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

Yep. The question is whether it can be fixed.

Still in the low 90s in Nashville where he posted a 7+ ERA. 

Velocity usually "gets fixed," by getting healthy, maybe a different type of off-season workout. Generally not in-season. But with all the arms we have, this doesn't seem to be one to be wringing our hands over. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

I for one hope the clubhouse isn't too downtrodden by the Brewers opting to trade Strzelecki at this year's deadline, causing them to spiral and miss the playoffs yet again with all that bullpen meddling.

Sure looks like it could be history repeating itself

[markedman5]

So because they have made bad trades for bullpen guys in the past they shouldn’t bother ever trying to acquire one in the future?

With that logic we should never make another trade because God knows the Brewers (along with every other team) have made lots of bad trades at virtually every position in the past.

[LouisEly]

7 minutes ago, brooks_quichenick said:

Do you cry this much about everything else in your life or just the Brewers?

I have been questioning if there is anything else...

[JefferyLeonard]

1 minute ago, brooks_quichenick said:

Do you cry this much about everything else in your life or just the Brewers?

Brewers and Packers I do. There is one thing I absolutely loathe in sports and unfortunately it happens that it affects two of my teams, and that's Non aggressive GM's. I don't want excuses as to why you can't be/won't be. If you aspire to win championships(and I'd hope that's the goal of every sports team) sometimes you have to say F it and go for it. It may fail, but at least you didn't "half ass" it. When have the Packers ever been "aggressive" in Free agency? Not since Ron Wolf. They could have went for it several times and failed to do so with Arodg as QB. That's insulting to fans IMO. 

Sure maybe the Brewers would have to give up a few "prized" prospects, to truly "go for it", but so what? Who says those prospects will ever end up being anything other than average major leaguers? It's a gamble worth taking IMO. Even if it doesn't end up with a World series, at least you truly "went for it", and didn't "half ass" it like they typically have. I would applaud them every single time in that scenario, whether it works or not. 

 

[RobertCrawley]

1 minute ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Brewers and Packers I do. There is one thing I absolutely loathe in sports and unfortunately it happens that it affects two of my teams, and that's Non aggressive GM's. I don't want excuses as to why you can't be/won't be. If you aspire to win championships(and I'd hope that's the goal of every sports team) sometimes you have to say F it and go for it. It may fail, but at least you didn't "half ass" it. When have the Packers ever been "aggressive" in Free agency? Not since Ron Wolf. They could have went for it several times and failed to do so with Arodg as QB. That's insulting to fans IMO. 

Sure maybe the Brewers would have to give up a few "prized" prospects, to truly "go for it", but so what? Who says those prospects will ever end up being anything other than average major leaguers? It's a gamble worth taking IMO. Even if it doesn't end up with a World series, at least you truly "went for it", and didn't "half ass" it like they typically have. I would applaud them every single time in that scenario, whether it works or not. 

 

Yes, I hope there is more. This feels like a half-measure when everyone knows our major problem is hitting.

[markedman5]

 

[BrewerFan]

3 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Brewers and Packers I do. There is one thing I absolutely loathe in sports and unfortunately it happens that it affects two of my teams, and that's Non aggressive GM's. I don't want excuses as to why you can't be/won't be. If you aspire to win championships(and I'd hope that's the goal of every sports team) sometimes you have to say F it and go for it. It may fail, but at least you didn't "half ass" it. When have the Packers ever been "aggressive" in Free agency? Not since Ron Wolf. They could have went for it several times and failed to do so with Arodg as QB. That's insulting to fans IMO. 

Sure maybe the Brewers would have to give up a few "prized" prospects, to truly "go for it", but so what? Who says those prospects will ever end up being anything other than average major leaguers? It's a gamble worth taking IMO. Even if it doesn't end up with a World series, at least you truly "went for it", and didn't "half ass" it like they typically have. I would applaud them every single time in that scenario, whether it works or not. 

 

Yeah,...not to take this WAY off topic, but remember when they went out and signed Za'Darius Smith, Preston Smith, Adrian Amos and Billy Turner while just missing out on Allan Robinson the year before the salary cap went DOWN due to Covid?

That was as aggressive an off-season as Wolf ever had in Free Agency.

[markedman5]

1 minute ago, BrewerFan said:

Yeah,...not to take this WAY off topic, but remember when they went out and signed Za'Darius Smith, Preston Smith, Adrian Amos and Billy Turner while just missing out on Allan Robinson the year before the salary cap went DOWN due to Covid?

That was as aggressive an off-season as Wolf ever had in Free Agency.

I’m pretty sure that wasn’t Ron Wolf………

[JefferyLeonard]

1 minute ago, BrewerFan said:

Yeah,...not to take this WAY off topic, but remember when they went out and signed Za'Darius Smith, Preston Smith, Adrian Amos and Billy Turner while just missing out on Allan Robinson the year before the salary cap went DOWN due to Covid?

That was as aggressive an off-season as Wolf ever had in Free Agency.

Remember when they failed to trade for several players that would have made a difference? OBJ being one of them. They could have signed Deandre Hopkins or OBJ this year, and the list goes on and on. Ironically, all 4 of those players they signed that you listed, are no longer on the team. Since then, what big splashes have they made in FA? Zero, zilch, nada. You had a HOF QB and literally wasted his tenure there because you wouldn't sign FA's. Pathetic. 

[TheeAirbender]

1 minute ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Remember when they failed to trade for several players that would have made a difference? OBJ being one of them. They could have signed Deandre Hopkins or OBJ this year, and the list goes on and on. Ironically, all 4 of those players they signed that you listed, are no longer on the team. Since then, what big splashes have they made in FA? Zero, zilch, nada. You had a HOF QB and literally wasted his tenure there because you wouldn't sign FA's. Pathetic. 

'So you just like big names it would seem. Hopkins is beyond washed and there's a good chance OBJ coming off his 3rd knee surgery or whatever it is, is just as washed.

[Thurston Fluff]

17 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

I mean, sure it MIGHT work out okay, but how has their history been recently with bullpen arms at the deadline? Not great, not great at all. To me, they didn't necessarily need another BP arm, I wanted at least one more bat, if not two. 

If you're going to look at our history and ignore who's making the trades then lets talk about how great the Francisco Rodriguez and Jeremy Jeffress trades were. They have about as much to do with Arnold as Stearns trades do.

[BrewerFan]

2 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Remember when they failed to trade for several players that would have made a difference? OBJ being one of them. They could have signed Deandre Hopkins or OBJ this year, and the list goes on and on. Ironically, all 4 of those players they signed that you listed, are no longer on the team. Since then, what big splashes have they made in FA? Zero, zilch, nada. You had a HOF QB and literally wasted his tenure there because you wouldn't sign FA's. Pathetic. 

You say it's never happened and when I show you when it happened you just dismiss it and shift the argument. But fine.

How did they acquire All Pro's Cambell and Nixon?

Or Douglas?

You DO realize they were spending over 310 million on players salaries while the salary cap was 215, right?

And I genuinely don't understand what difference it makes if they're on the roster right now, nor do I care if they didn't go out and sign a couple of older WRers, one who hasn't played in well over a year. Why isn't Julio Jones on your list?

And "literally wasted?" No...they didn't "literally waste it." You're upset that after they spent roughly 200M in Free Agency to go with an expensive core(not the least of which because that HOF QB took every penny they left on the table) they didn't go on a big FA spree when they were 60M over the cap heading into the off-season?

 

Is there some type of ignore option available? Some of this is painfully ridiculous to read. 

[Oxy]

9 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Brewers and Packers I do. There is one thing I absolutely loathe in sports and unfortunately it happens that it affects two of my teams, and that's Non aggressive GM's. I don't want excuses as to why you can't be/won't be. If you aspire to win championships(and I'd hope that's the goal of every sports team) sometimes you have to say F it and go for it. It may fail, but at least you didn't "half ass" it. When have the Packers ever been "aggressive" in Free agency? Not since Ron Wolf. They could have went for it several times and failed to do so with Arodg as QB. That's insulting to fans IMO. 

Sure maybe the Brewers would have to give up a few "prized" prospects, to truly "go for it", but so what? Who says those prospects will ever end up being anything other than average major leaguers? It's a gamble worth taking IMO. Even if it doesn't end up with a World series, at least you truly "went for it", and didn't "half ass" it like they typically have. I would applaud them every single time in that scenario, whether it works or not. 

 

So you'd rather have wild swings between great teams with 2-3 year "championship window" and then extended down periods where your team is terrible for 8-10 years where they have no shot at even making the playoffs.

I'd be okay with this if there  was a guarantee that there would be a title during the window, but the odds are there won't be, and the odds are only marginally better during those years than the strategy of being conservatively good every year and making the playoffs almost every year.  I like being in the hunt every September even if I don't have the BEST odds to be the best.

Having sucky teams really sucks.

[BrewerFan]

Just now, Thurston Fluff said:

If you're going to look at our history and ignore who's making the trades then lets talk about how great the Francisco Rodriguez and Jeremy Jeffress trades were. They have about as much to do with Arnold as Stearns trades do.

Also Drew Pomeranz as has been mentioned.

How about Salamon Torres🤣

But of course none of these have ANYTHING to do with Chaffin and the Brewers didn't give up a prospect for him.

Chaffin BTW, 3.13 FIP this year.

[Oxy]

1 minute ago, BrewerFan said:

You say it's never happened and when I show you when it happened you just dismiss it and shift the argument. But fine.

How did they acquire All Pro's Cambell and Nixon?

Or Douglas?

You DO realize they were spending over 310 million on players salaries while the salary cap was 215, right?

And I genuinely don't understand what difference it makes if they're on the roster right now, nor do I care if they didn't go out and sign a couple of older WRers, one who hasn't played in well over a year. Why isn't Julio Jones on your list?

And "literally wasted?" No...they didn't "literally waste it." You're upset that after they spent roughly 200M in Free Agency to go with an expensive core(not the least of which because that HOF QB took every penny they left on the table) they didn't go on a big FA spree when they were 60M over the cap heading into the off-season?

 

Is there some type of ignore option available? Some of this is painfully ridiculous to read. 

Yes.  There is an ignore option.  I never used it my first 20 years on BF, but I've used it multiple times the last 3 years.

[BrewerFan]

11 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

I’m pretty sure that wasn’t Ron Wolf………

Yes...as am I. That was my entire point.

[BrewerFan]

Just now, Oxy said:

Yes.  There is an ignore option.  I never used it my first 20 years on BF, but I've used it multiple times the last 3 years.

I'll have to look for it. I'm confused why the hell we're Upset about trading a 28 year old rookie who apparently have a big fastball...at 92.5MPH while upset about trading for a veteran LHPer like Chaffin who has been a very good reliever...but is a soft tosser...at 92.1 MPH. 

Also...why we're talking about the Brewers. 

[StearnsFTW]

7 minutes ago, Oxy said:

Yes.  There is an ignore option.  I never used it my first 20 years on BF, but I've used it multiple times the last 3 years.

Same. I had never used it on any message board until last year here.  And I also have used it multiple times.

[JefferyLeonard]

1 minute ago, Oxy said:

So you'd rather have wild swings between great teams with 2-3 year "championship window" and then extended down periods where your team is terrible for 8-10 years where they have no shot at even making the playoffs.

I'd be okay with this if there  was a guarantee that there would be a title during the window, but the odds are there won't be, and the odds are only marginally better during those years than the strategy of being conservatively good every year and making the playoffs almost every year.  I like being in the hunt every September even if I don't have the BEST odds to be the best.

Having sucky teams really sucks.

Yes, I would take that in a heartbeat. I lived through all the Brewers crappiness, and the Packers crappiness too. It's no fun having crappy teams, I admit that, but if the payoff is a title or two, during that time, I will take it. Look at the Bucks, went all in, won a title, got bounced in the 1st round this year, doesn't phase me one bit(although admittedly, I am less of a Bucks fan then Brewers or Packers).

The thing is, there is likely never going to be a title if at some point you don't "go for it". Remember the 82 Brewers? Holy hell was that year fun, the trades Harry Dalton pulled off...I'd love a deadline like that again in Brewer history. They didn't win a WS obviously, but damn was that year fun, and the players they acquired will never be forgotten. Don Sutton, Rollie Fingers, Ted Simmons, Pete Vuckovich. Damn! I do remember people fretting some about trading the "hot" brewers prospect David Greene. How'd he turn out? 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

15 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Remember when they failed to trade for several players that would have made a difference? OBJ being one of them. They could have signed Deandre Hopkins or OBJ this year, and the list goes on and on. Ironically, all 4 of those players they signed that you listed, are no longer on the team. Since then, what big splashes have they made in FA? Zero, zilch, nada. You had a HOF QB and literally wasted his tenure there because you wouldn't sign FA's. Pathetic. 

free agent acquisitions = championship 

[Thurston Fluff]

4 minutes ago, Oxy said:

So you'd rather have wild swings between great teams with 2-3 year "championship window" and then extended down periods where your team is terrible for 8-10 years where they have no shot at even making the playoffs.

I'd be okay with this if there  was a guarantee that there would be a title during the window, but the odds are there won't be, and the odds are only marginally better during those years than the strategy of being conservatively good every year and making the playoffs almost every year.  I like being in the hunt every September even if I don't have the BEST odds to be the best.

Having sucky teams really sucks.

This times ten. Where is the evidence that going for it gets us any closer to winning it all than being consistently good? I'm trying to think when the last time a team went for it and won the trade deadline or off season and also won the World Series. Essentially it's trading years of good baseball for one year of hype and a 90% chance if disappointment in the end. Frankly, I think most of the people who like the go for it mentality like the hype at the time instead of at the end of the season.

[markedman5]

1 minute ago, Thurston Fluff said:

This times ten. Where is the evidence that going for it gets us any closer to winning it all than being consistently good? I'm trying to think when the last time a team went for it and won the trade deadline or off season and also won the World Series. Essentially it's trading years of good baseball for one year of hype and a 90% chance if disappointment in the end. Frankly, I think most of the people who like the go for it mentality like the hype at the time instead of at the end of the season.

You missed how well it worked out for the Mets this year………oh wait…,never mind…….😆

[Oxy]

5 minutes ago, StearnsFTW said:

Same. I had never used it on any message board until last year here.  And I also have used it multiple times.

Instructionally, hover over the posters name, and an option button to ignore will pop-up.