Baltimore Orioles Looking for a high end reliever and starting pitcher. Looks to me like they should begin the trade dance with Milwaukee

[Matt Breen]

6 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I honestly would prefer to deal Burnes for high-upside starting pitching. It’s the one thing we lack in our organization right now aside from Misiorowski and then Knoth further down.

Something like Burnes (and maybe Adames) for one of or multiple:

Sheehan, Pepiot, Frasso, AJSS, Waldrep, Abel, Hall, etc.

Totally get wanting pitching. Key is finding it.

I think it's easier to find a player blocked at a position - such as 3B (Coby Mayo for instance) than high end arms. It's not like you have one starter. If we can find the arms, great. Go for it. But teams really seem reluctant to trade high end young pitching - which I understand. It's hard to find.

[Brewcrew82]

7 minutes ago, reillymcshane said:

Totally get wanting pitching. Key is finding it.

I think it's easier to find a player blocked at a position - such as 3B (Coby Mayo for instance) than high end arms. It's not like you have one starter. If we can find the arms, great. Go for it. But teams really seem reluctant to trade high end young pitching - which I understand. It's hard to find.

Why you have to target teams with a lot of it and who are desperate to win a WS, like the Dodgers or the Braves.

[wibadgers23]

2 hours ago, reillymcshane said:

Two steps here.

Step 1: Burnes and Williams to Orioles.

SS Joey Ortiz and 3B Coby Mayo and a lottery ticket or two) to Brewers

Ortiz and Turang are our new SS/2B combo. Mayo goes to 3B. Reports are somewhat mixed on his ability at 3B. He's got a huge arm, and might best fit in the OF, but we don't need him there. If he can't handle 3B, he moves to 1B and/or DH. He's a big, power hitting right-hander that we could really use.

Step 2: Adames to someone else for a starting pitcher. 

This probably isn't as easy as I make it sound - but find someone to get a young starter who is ready - or nearly ready - for the majors. Example would be Ryan Pepiot of the Dodgers. The goal would be to have a young arm to replace Burnes. No, he won't replace Burnes' production, but at least be serviceable. 

In the end, you add six years of a couple of good looking position players - including a power bat in Mayo that the team lacks. 

I’d probably prefer Norby over Ortiz just because Norby is two years younger and appears to have a little more pop in his bat, but I would be perfectly happy with that sort of trade with Baltimore. Throw in a pitcher like McDermott or Povich or someone even lower down the pipeline and I’d be ecstatic.

[brewers888]

2 hours ago, reillymcshane said:

Two steps here.

Step 1: Burnes and Williams to Orioles.

SS Joey Ortiz and 3B Coby Mayo and a lottery ticket or two) to Brewers

Ortiz and Turang are our new SS/2B combo. Mayo goes to 3B. Reports are somewhat mixed on his ability at 3B. He's got a huge arm, and might best fit in the OF, but we don't need him there. If he can't handle 3B, he moves to 1B and/or DH. He's a big, power hitting right-hander that we could really use.

Step 2: Adames to someone else for a starting pitcher. 

This probably isn't as easy as I make it sound - but find someone to get a young starter who is ready - or nearly ready - for the majors. Example would be Ryan Pepiot of the Dodgers. The goal would be to have a young arm to replace Burnes. No, he won't replace Burnes' production, but at least be serviceable. 

In the end, you add six years of a couple of good looking position players - including a power bat in Mayo that the team lacks. 

Not nearly enough for Burnes and Williams and if this team traded both of them without getting pitching back it would be disastrous.

[wibadgers23]

1 minute ago, brewers888 said:

Not nearly enough for Burnes and Williams and if this team traded both of them without getting pitching back it would be disastrous.

I don’t know. I look at those Dodgers pitching prospects and I’m not completely enamored with them. So if a team like Baltimore offers some of their stud infield prospects, I’d probably be pretty okay with that.

[Brewcrew82]

42 minutes ago, wibadgers23 said:

I don’t know. I look at those Dodgers pitching prospects and I’m not completely enamored with them. So if a team like Baltimore offers some of their stud infield prospects, I’d probably be pretty okay with that.

Sheehan is just as much of a stud from a pitching perspective as Mayo or Ortiz. 

Holliday is a different story. But we're not getting him. 

[brewers888]

2 hours ago, wibadgers23 said:

I don’t know. I look at those Dodgers pitching prospects and I’m not completely enamored with them. So if a team like Baltimore offers some of their stud infield prospects, I’d probably be pretty okay with that.

To give up one of the best relievers in baseball with two years of control and a top of the rotation starter we must do better than that hypothetical Baltimore offer which isn't nearly enough.  

[brewmann04]

they better get a nice haul if they are trading Burnes and Williams. Wonder if it be better off trading them seperate

[wibadgers23]

3 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Sheehan is just as much of a stud from a pitching perspective as Mayo or Ortiz. 

Holliday is a different story. But we're not getting him. 

Sheehan must be a late bloomer because going back to when he was drafted in 2021, Sheehan never made the Dodgers top 30 list on MLB Pipeline, unless I’m missing something. He’s never been a highly regarded prospect, at least not in the minds of prospect rankings. Not arguing with you, just an observation.

[titletownking]

When you’re negotiating with a team that has a farm system like the Orioles, I’d feel comfortable sending Burnes and Williams there for the right return. Mayo is a must. 

[Brewcrew82]

36 minutes ago, wibadgers23 said:

Sheehan must be a late bloomer because going back to when he was drafted in 2021, Sheehan never made the Dodgers top 30 list on MLB Pipeline, unless I’m missing something. He’s never been a highly regarded prospect, at least not in the minds of prospect rankings. Not arguing with you, just an observation.

He’s been a late bloomer. Was the best pitcher in the Texas league this year and a top 50 prospect mid season before he graduated. Their second best young pitcher after Miller who’s out of our range by this point.

[wibadgers23]

4 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

He’s been a late bloomer. Was the best pitcher in the Texas league this year and a top 50 prospect mid season before he graduated. 

Thanks - didn’t realize he graduated. Makes more sense now.

[DR28]

Sounds like Burnes will be in Milwaukee come OD 2024.

[Jastro]

Odds are pretty slim Devin is dealt to the Orioles now.... even though Devin is still far and away the better pitcher 

 

[Lloyd330]

Why do i keep seeing that they Brewers "have" to get pitching back when it comes to a Burnes trade? That is completely wrong thinking for a team like the Brewers...You get the best Talent available Period. 

[Samurai Bucky]

Looks like Craig Kimbrel will be the high end reliever:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/orioles-sign-craig-kimbrel.html

[Rick Daltons Flamethrower]

I don't really consider Kimbrel a  high end reliever any more. Lot of money to pay for someone so inconsistent and unreliable. Going to be tough to trade Williams there now since they signed Kimbrel. Still Williams is so much better. And has 2 years of control. Would have been a less expensive route to get Williams

[brewcrewdue80]

On 12/5/2023 at 7:29 PM, wibadgers23 said:

Sheehan must be a late bloomer because going back to when he was drafted in 2021, Sheehan never made the Dodgers top 30 list on MLB Pipeline, unless I’m missing something. He’s never been a highly regarded prospect, at least not in the minds of prospect rankings. Not arguing with you, just an observation.

Yes. There was an article last season saying he became a high riser late 2022(Miserioski like) and 2023 possessed the best fastball right now in all the minors.  He graduated off the top 100 lists basically before getting a chance to be on them pre-2023 and mid-season 2023.  Scouting report is 6-4 I believe with great extension that tumbles his fastballs from 94-98MPH(likely pushing 97-99 with age progression) 

Has a slower 80s changeup that is working more plus pitch to combo with.

Check out the reds you see from savant. Ignore the ML blues as he'll be better with experience. Plus how his young minors stats will translate. 125+IP became his high at end of season so he was filling in rookie rushed stats pitching to ML hitters his final 60IP.  Something that would been akin to Brewers starting Miserioski in August.  All these Stone-Pepiot-Miller SPs Dodgers have been rushed to ML and I'm not sure 1 of them has pitched over 135IPs in a single season.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/emmet-sheehan-686218?stats=statcast-r-pitching-mlb

 

Miller fwiw has even a higher red rate, nearly entirety. Untouchable I imagine. Or you're adding to Burnes to take him.

 

Also adding-scrolled down Sheehans page seen the 2023 comp listing Woodruff and Scherzer (23)among a few others.  Yeah you can insert that kind pitcher in to our rotation for 1yr of Burnes while he might be available.

[Rick Daltons Flamethrower]

On 12/6/2023 at 11:32 AM, Samurai Bucky said:

Looks like Craig Kimbrel will be the high end reliever:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/12/orioles-sign-craig-kimbrel.html

not feeling this is high end. Middle ofthe road , over over priced, and no where near Williams pedigree.

[Rick Daltons Flamethrower]

On 12/5/2023 at 7:53 PM, titletownking said:

When you’re negotiating with a team that has a farm system like the Orioles, I’d feel comfortable sending Burnes and Williams there for the right return. Mayo is a must. 

I agree. Roast beef and cheese with Mayo. 

[Mr Southpaw]

Looking through the Oriole's prospects, they have a few young pitchers that might be interesting but nothing special.  If you throw enough mashed potatoes at the wall, something might stick.  Baumeister and De Leon have higher ceilings than the rest.

Brewers

NAME	POSITION	SURPLUS
Coby Mayo	1B	43.7
Cade Povich	SP	5.1
Seth Johnson	SP	2.7
Justin Armbruester	SP	2.1
Jackson Baumeister	SP	1.7
Luis De Leon	SP	1.7

Total Value:

57.00

Orioles

NAME	POSITION	SURPLUS
Corbin Burnes	SP	33.8
Devin Williams	RP	19.8

Total Value:

53.60

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