Brewers Still In the Market For Rotation Depth?

[BrewerFan]

On 3/6/2024 at 6:49 PM, brewcrewrule28 said:

I love how so many people act like Trevor Bauer is satan but there hasn't been one comment about Clevinger's off the field issues. 

Bauers was far more...public. 

I'm amazed that the texts from his accuser where she explicitly lays out HOW she targeted him, how she was going to do it, asked by her sponsor in advance if she ever feels guilty...that this didn't produce a bigger response is sad.

On 3/7/2024 at 10:36 AM, EddieTheCousin said:

Bauer is a pile of human garbage. The issue is he likes to choke women and punch them in the head after they pass out. For those that haven't read the details on things, he admits to doing these things and his entire defense is consent.

Ok...so what is she? And that's NOT his "entire defense."

"Net worth, 51M."
"How are you gonna secure that bag"
"Get Daddy to choke me out."

Now, I don't know about the other accusations or if they have merit, but in THIS case, she was not a victim...she was a grifter who should have been prosecuted.

 

[BrewerFan]

On 3/7/2024 at 9:46 AM, NOMAAM said:

You have to look at it from PR perspective.  What are the odds he’ll get arrested again with a similar situation.  Also there is a high probability there are more women out there who haven’t come forward.  If he gets himself back on the field and on sports center and in the papers everyday.  Good chance some other women will no longer stay silent.  Heck there maybe some NDAs out as well.  See Vince McMahon.

Bauer was never arrested. He was the victim of a con artist.

As for other Women... feels like you could say that about any player. 

On 3/7/2024 at 8:41 AM, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

On paper, yes. But if you ready between the lines, there's something more here. He's said he's willing to play for the minimum. Yet nary a snippet of interest. Talented players who can help teams are rarely if ever given the industry cold shoulder to this degree. There's something more to this that hasn't come out. Just has to be.

There are two issues.

1-Bauer was always...kinda obnoxious and disliked by teammates. 

2-The initial accusation is still much more well-known than the "exoneration," or whatever you'd like to call it. 

I also don't think Bauer will ever be on his best behavior. My opinion on clubhouse...chemistry in Baseball has changed a lot in the past decade. I remember Bonds and Kent winning despite openly hating each other. It's an individual sport really. And yet, the team seems to play MUCH better when they have a Willy Adames or Aguilar-type personality in the clubhouse as opposed to a Bauer-type.

 

 

[TURBO]

[wiguy94]

30 minutes ago, TURBO said:

How many times are you going to post this on different forums? We get it you love Trevor Bauer. 

[Guest]

13 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Bauers was far more...public. 

I'm amazed that the texts from his accuser where she explicitly lays out HOW she targeted him, how she was going to do it, asked by her sponsor in advance if she ever feels guilty...that this didn't produce a bigger response is sad.

Ok...so what is she? And that's NOT his "entire defense."

"Net worth, 51M."
"How are you gonna secure that bag"
"Get Daddy to choke me out."

Now, I don't know about the other accusations or if they have merit, but in THIS case, she was not a victim...she was a grifter who should have been prosecuted.

 

 

Trevor Bauer investigates Trevor Bauer and clears Trevor Bauer of all wrong doing. Got it.

He fully acknowledges he did these things with her. His defense is she consented. That IS his defense in all of this. He openly has a discussion with her about choking her out and punching her and doing more things that I am not even comfortable typing on a brewers message board.

The reality is she never filed suit until he sued her.... but she was just out for cash?

Clearly she is a troubled young woman - Bauer finding woman who like rough sex and then pushing the limits of what is consensual during rough sex is the issue. Genuine question, have you read the details of what the SART nurse said? What the judge said? Cause it ain't pretty....

The Bauer fan boys really need to take some time and read the details of the case.

Oh.... and he still has 3 cases open. So there's that too.

[Guest]

Also, let's not forget that as soon as the there was a suggestion the other women MLB had found would be brought to court, Bauer decided he and the San Diego woman needed to settle. She got a pile of money in the process.

[Guest]

59 minutes ago, TURBO said:

Bob strikes again.... That's one way to get people to forget about the Omar Vizquel puff piece....

[NOMAAM]

15 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

[BrewerFan]

3 hours ago, EddieTheCousin said:

Also, let's not forget that as soon as the there was a suggestion the other women MLB had found would be brought to court, Bauer decided he and the San Diego woman needed to settle. She got a pile of money in the process.

LOL...no, not true. 

He did not settle a thing. He actually countersued.

Once her records became available, then SHE settled.

3 hours ago, EddieTheCousin said:

Trevor Bauer investigates Trevor Bauer and clears Trevor Bauer of all wrong doing. Got it.

Wrong. The Pasadena Police investigated Trevor Bauer and clear Trevor Bauer of all wrong doing. 

Pretty important distinction.

3 hours ago, EddieTheCousin said:

He fully acknowledges he did these things with her. His defense is she consented. That IS his defense in all of this. He openly has a discussion with her about choking her out and punching her and doing more things that I am not even comfortable typing on a brewers message board.

Yeah...it's pretty disgusting. She also VERY clearly asks him to do so. They both seem a little off, but I'm not judging rough sex.

The issue HERE is more than she explicitly targeted him and stated HOW she was going to get his money. 

 

I get you probably saw this when it came out and then assumed Bauer was guilty...that's fine. I made the same assumption. The problem is the preponderance of available evidence now and you're STILL doubling down on this being a sexual assault. 

3 hours ago, EddieTheCousin said:

The reality is she never filed suit until he sued her.... but she was just out for cash?

Yes. Very clearly. You can read HER words. 

"Next victim, start pitcher of the LA Dodgers. Net worth 51M." 

"How you gonna secure that bag?"

"By having Daddy choke me out."

So if you're so disgusted that he's into rough sex...seems odd you wouldn't find this...a little distasteful. A tad bit hypocritical, no?

 

3 hours ago, EddieTheCousin said:

The Bauer fan boys really need to take some time and read the details of the case.

This is truly ironic;

You claimed she got paid from Bauer. Objectively false. You claim BAUER was the one who exonerated himself. Not true. That was the legal system. 

Not a Bauer fan boy as I'm not even in favor of signing the guy...more a fan of just admitting when I'm wrong...and I was wrong in this case. And based on how much you got wrong here, you CLEARLY have not read the actual details of this case.

[BrewerFan]

3 hours ago, EddieTheCousin said:

Also, let's not forget that as soon as the there was a suggestion the other women MLB had found would be brought to court, Bauer decided he and the San Diego woman needed to settle. She got a pile of money in the process.

To be clear, you're NOT talking about this particular case, right? The Lindsey Hill case?

You'd again just be wrong. Her side wanted to settle once they had to turn over the metadata from the phone and there was a lengthy record of her literally planning this out(and it went nearly according to plan).

She came to HIM to settle, he didn't pay her a dime(you've gotten this one wrong a couple times).

 

And she was investigated by the Police for filing false charges...charges they ultimately didn't pursue. But man, please tell me how I need to read the details of "the case" more. 

 

[BrewerFan]

11 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

To be clear, you're NOT talking about this particular case, right? The Lindsey Hill case?

You'd again just be wrong. Her side wanted to settle once they had to turn over the metadata from the phone and there was a lengthy record of her literally planning this out(and it went nearly according to plan).

She came to HIM to settle, he didn't pay her a dime(you've gotten this one wrong a couple times).

 

And she was investigated by the Police for filing false charges...charges they ultimately didn't pursue. But man, please tell me how I need to read the details of "the case" more. 

 

@wiguy94You care to share what FACTS you disagree with?

 

Are you saying Bauer DID pay her? He did settle? That he ran to pay her? Or is this more a "Bauer=bad don't like," and kinda ignoring the facts?

After the discovery process of the civil case(ie, when her text messages and the video of her giggling while laying next to him after the event) were shared, HER team approached Bauer's about a settlement wherein no money changed hands(contrary to the previous posts)? Any of this factually incorrect? 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, BrewerFan said:

LOL...no, not true. 

He did not settle a thing. He actually countersued.

Once her records became available, then SHE settled.

You are wrong on pretty much everything...

He did not countersue.

He filed the initial lawsuit. She then countersued.

I said she got a bag of money. She did. From an insurance policy to drop this case. $300k. Her statement after they both dropped their cases specifically stated this factored into her decision.

Honestly.... this isn't worth my time. Have fun defending dudes who choke women out, anally rape them and then say it's ok because they wanted rough sex.

[TURBO]

5 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

How many times are you going to post this on different forums? We get it you love Trevor Bauer. 

2 times, on separate forums. 

That is how many times I will post it. 

How many times are you going to post your thumbs down on every Bauer post?  We get it, you hate Trevor Bauer.

[BrewerFan]

7 minutes ago, EddieTheCousin said:

You are wrong on pretty much everything...

He did not countersue.

He filed the initial lawsuit. She then countersued.

I said she got a bag of money. She did. From an insurance policy to drop this case. $300k. Her statement after they both dropped their cases specifically stated this factored into her decision.

Honestly.... this isn't worth my time. Have fun defending dudes who choke women out, anally rape them and then say it's ok because they wanted rough sex.

LOL...sure. You just totally undermine sexual assault by dismissing the Police investigation, the DA's decision to not pursue it. the, her own overt plan to extort him going into it(and then doing EXACTLY what she said), and then digging in and refusing to change your opinions irrespective of the facts. That you are so convinced I'm a Bauer "fanboi," is telling. The FACTS all came out. All you're doing is undermining actual rape victims by refusing to look at new information and change your opinions. Her little giggling video the morning after the encounter? 

"Next victim, star pitcher LA Dodgers."

How you gonna secure that bag?

Well...she got the 300K for it. Not the bag she wanted...but more than she deserved. Imagine talking with numerous people about how you were going to "steal" someone's money, doing that very thing...and you apparently don't care? Just wanna pretend that part didn't happen? Stay blissfully ignorant because Bauer's not a likable person? 

 

I can't IMAGINE what you'd say about Brian Banks, Cephus for the Central Park 5(are they still guilty to you as well..).

[BrewerFan]

11 minutes ago, TURBO said:

2 times, on separate forums. 

That is how many times I will post it. 

How many times are you going to post your thumbs down on every Bauer post?  We get it, you hate Trevor Bauer.

To be honest, I don't really like Bauer myself. 

I hate groupthink and false accusations...even against people I dislike much more though. And righteous indignation that goes with it.  

[Brewcrew82]

I’m sorry, I thought this was the “Brewers Still in Market for Rotation Depth” thread. Not the “Trevor Bauer Criminal/PR Case”thread.

Seems pretty clear at this point that Bauer is not going to get signed. And at absolute minimum he’s not without blame for that.

I’d still be up for Clevinger, Montgomery, or Snell on short-term deals.

[BrewerFan]

33 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I’m sorry, I thought this was the “Brewers Still in Market for Rotation Depth” thread. Not the “Trevor Bauer Criminal/PR Case”thread.

Seems pretty clear at this point that Bauer is not going to get signed. And at absolute minimum he’s not without blame for that.

I’d still be up for Clevinger, Montgomery, or Snell on short-term deals.

Fine...then let's just stop bringing up the one case and we can move on.

And I agree...Bauer's not without blame.

[NOMAAM]

Free Agent SP rumors.

Snell wants at least 2 yrs 60 million guaranteed.  Assume opt out

Monty still holding for long term deal

Lorenzen wants 2 yrs

Clevinger will take one year deal.

[MrTPlush]

On 3/4/2024 at 4:15 PM, Brewcrew82 said:

Clevinger's xFIP from last year is a little scary. That said, he's a guy who's pretty much always solidly outperformed his peripherals. Doesn't K as many guys as he used to, but velo is still there and control is solid. I'd take him on a 1 year deal or something. 

 

I would sure rather have a guy who always outperforms his advanced stats versus the guy who always underperforms them. I remember when Chris Archer was the prize on the trade market  despite his 4+ ERA for multiple years in a row. Thankfully the Pirates were the ones wasting capital on a bum.

I wouldn't mind Clevinger....but at the same time, if we were veteran chasing I would want someone reliable for our very unreliable/unexperienced rotation. He really isn't that.

[BrewerFan]

7 hours ago, NOMAAM said:

Free Agent SP rumors.

Snell wants at least 2 yrs 60 million guaranteed.  Assume opt out

Monty still holding for long term deal

Lorenzen wants 2 yrs

Clevinger will take one year deal.

Wow...if that's true, he and Boras have REALLY overplayed their hand. I like Snell, I think that'd be worth it. I don't love the opt out and I'd still guess Seattle would be the destination.

Clevinger seems like the best fit. 

[NOMAAM]

3 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Wow...if that's true, he and Boras have REALLY overplayed their hand. I like Snell, I think that'd be worth it. I don't love the opt out and I'd still guess Seattle would be the destination.

Clevinger seems like the best fit. 

Well if you’re going over the tax threshold for him isn’t it closer to 40 million per year.  That reduces the number of teams that can bid for him even more.  If correct of course.

 

 

 

 

 

[brewmann04]

i still wish they find money to add a FA starter

[MNBrew]

13 hours ago, NOMAAM said:

Free Agent SP rumors.

Snell wants at least 2 yrs 60 million guaranteed.  Assume opt out

Monty still holding for long term deal

Lorenzen wants 2 yrs

Clevinger will take one year deal.

If the price were remotely reasonable -- or even just not an utterly ridiculous stretch -- I'd take any of those guys given how thin the Brewers' rotation depth is.

Aren't we getting into the Matt Garza signing timeframe?  You'd think eventually some paycheck is better than none.  They (or Boras) can scream collusion or whatever all they want, but I'm glad to see ownership exercising some common sense and not paying through the nose "just because" (that is, "just because greedy Scott Boras overshot & consequently messed up the entire market for some of these players").

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, NOMAAM said:

Well if you’re going over the tax threshold for him isn’t it closer to 40 million per year.  That reduces the number of teams that can bid for him even more.  If correct of course.

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, I guess for a few teams, but the Dodgers just gave you the cheat code. Spent 700M on one player, 325 on another...and they're well under the luxury tax.

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/

Seattle though, the team that has been aggressive and where Snell wants to pitch(at least according to sources last week)...they have ~100M in room and a good team. The Yankees are up against the Cohen tax, but still in need of another TOR arm(they haven't been talking to Snell again recently).

I believe if Arnold thought Snell could replicate last season or even close, Attanasio would sign off on it. It feels to me as though the Brewers FO operates with room to make moves should they arrive and Attanasio, if he's to be believed(and I find no reason not to)...he'd stretch the payroll to add a 2X CY pitcher who could have our rotation right back where it was last year(better if you believe Ashby, Ross, Gasser, Rodriguez contribute this year).  And then a BP that is very deep with power arms even without Williams for a couple of months. 

That's not even accounting for DL Hall. The one guy I hope we don't see...at least until Sept, is Mis. He's so electric, he needs to build up that arm strength and be ready to step in next June every 5th day. But, if he dominates AA...who knows. 

[Lloyd330]

Clev

 

Miley

 

If we could get Clev for a Miley type deal, i'd do it