Hyeseong kim??????

[Klantz27]

I was just thinking trade hoskins for low level prospect then sign goldy 1 year 10 mil hyeseong kim 5 years 40 mil that would be a good lineup maybe trade frelick and would be nice to unload ashby together on a good arm keep yelich mitchell chourio perkins for outfield 

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[BrewerFan]

9 hours ago, Klantz27 said:

I was just thinking trade hoskins for low level prospect then sign goldy 1 year 10 mil hyeseong kim 5 years 40 mil that would be a good lineup maybe trade frelick and would be nice to unload ashby together on a good arm keep yelich mitchell chourio perkins for outfield 

I like Kim and Goldy.

I'm not as concerned with Hoskins as others are. I think he's more likely to rebound from a career-worst season...and I really don't want to move Ashby now that he's all the way back. 

I think he IS a really good arm. That upper-90s (mid-90s as a starter probably) sinker, the slider, curve and change. Plus 5 more years of team control...I think he's got as much upside as any pitcher in the organization. 

 

 

[Klantz27]

3 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

I like Kim and Goldy.

I'm not as concerned with Hoskins as others are. I think he's more likely to rebound from a career-worst season...and I really don't want to move Ashby now that he's all the way back. 

I think he IS a really good arm. That upper-90s (mid-90s as a starter probably) sinker, the slider, curve and change. Plus 5 more years of team control...I think he's got as much upside as any pitcher in the organization. 

 

 

I'm not worried about rhys either but i think I could do better with the 18 mil lol

Yea you're probably right on ashby. he's was kinda iffy for a while and his salary starts to pick up soon that's why I figured unload him but you are right he did have a good year may as well keep him

[Playing Catch]

If one was motivated by the points you mention, like Ashby's uncertain future performance but certain higher salary, and moving Frelick at perhaps, peak-value, than I see an Ashby+Frelick package as very desirable for a lot of teams, and that package would probably net a really strong return.

Not a bad consideration at all. It could even be a decent starting point for Crochet.

[BrewerFan]

7 hours ago, Playing Catch said:

If one was motivated by the points you mention, like Ashby's uncertain future performance but certain higher salary, and moving Frelick at perhaps, peak-value, than I see an Ashby+Frelick package as very desirable for a lot of teams, and that package would probably net a really strong return.

Not a bad consideration at all. It could even be a decent starting point for Crochet.

It's possible, but I don't really see the White Sox wanting Ashby/Frelick back. They're so bad and so far away from competing, I'd think they'd want the deal to start with Made/Pratt and then still add on Ashby/Frelick as guys they may later flip. 

I think each player has more value to the Brewers going forward than they currently have in trade value. If you're the CHW, Ashby was a guy who threw 30 good innings last year out of the pen and Frelick is a guy with a sub .700 OPS who's good in the OF but who we may not be good enough to play CF based on where we've played him. 

Ashby in particular I want to hold onto. I think I'd be fine letting another team take a chance on Crochet duplicating his '24 season. 

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I'm not worried about rhys either but i think I could do better with the 18 mil lol

Yea you're probably right on ashby. he's was kinda iffy for a while and his salary starts to pick up soon that's why I figured unload him but you are right he did have a good year may as well keep him

 

I get it...most people on here want Hoskins gone. I think I'm the outlier. And yes, we could use that 18M better...but that's kinda sunken expense. At this point...I think you have to pay at least half that to unload him and...again, I just think he's going to have a better year. 

With Ashby...it's really just how much confidence you have in him. Back in May, June...we couldn't give him away. I've always been high on Ashby, but I did start to lose a little confidence on him. 

 

[Playing Catch]

On 11/30/2024 at 4:17 PM, BrewerFan said:

It's possible, but I don't really see the White Sox wanting Ashby/Frelick back. They're so bad and so far away from competing, I'd think they'd want the deal to start with Made/Pratt and then still add on Ashby/Frelick as guys they may later flip. 

Yeah, it's hard to say what the White Sox will do. And I'm sure they want to maximize the return as best they can. The Nats-Padres Soto deal is probably the baseline. But they'll never get that kind of return for Crochet. Not even A.J. Preller is that aggressive.

If I were the Sox, I would be considering each trade offer on its own merits, and not necessarily chasing uber-prospects. It's impossible to compare to a thousand hypothetical trades, but if they received an offer that had Ashby and Frelick as a starting point, I think the value, for the Sox, is that firstly, they'd have two MLB players (they have to field a team). Secondly, those players would likely maintain trade value down the road a season or two. If the Brewers started with Ashby and Frelick, and added Luke Adams and one of the 20 year old pitchers, that would be enticing. The Sox don't ONLY need top prospects... they need prospect depth, too. As a franchise, they may be better off getting 4 regular big-league players than trying to find one MVP/Ace.

[Playing Catch]

On 11/29/2024 at 10:29 AM, Klantz27 said:

I was just thinking trade hoskins for low level prospect then sign goldy 1 year 10 mil hyeseong kim 5 years 40 mil that would be a good lineup maybe trade frelick and would be nice to unload ashby together on a good arm keep yelich mitchell chourio perkins for outfield 

Now that I understand which Kim the OP was referring to, I would be nervous about the Brewers outbidding for an unproven 26-year old middle infielder.

It's not fair to make comparisons with other KBO players coming stateside as there probably haven't been enough examples to garner any real relevance to projecting their future performance, but it seems likely that Kim would have a hard time matching his already modest power numbers, and that his on-base performance, too, would be diminished, at which point you have, at best, a luxury utiliity infielder. A guy with a good glove, decent speed, lefty-stick. Not a bad player, but not someone to dedicate $8M/season on, either.

[wntrtxn21]

14 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

Now that I understand which Kim the OP was referring to, I would be nervous about the Brewers outbidding for an unproven 26-year old middle infielder.

It's not fair to make comparisons with other KBO players coming stateside as there probably haven't been enough examples to garner any real relevance to projecting their future performance, but it seems likely that Kim would have a hard time matching his already modest power numbers, and that his on-base performance, too, would be diminished, at which point you have, at best, a luxury utiliity infielder. A guy with a good glove, decent speed, lefty-stick. Not a bad player, but not someone to dedicate $8M/season on, either.

I agree. The KBO is a step down from the Japanese league. It's considered to be somewhere between AA and not quite AAA type caliber.  In 7 years in the KBO Kim has averaged a meager 5.2 HRs and only 22 doubles per year.  I don't know if that's the kind of production the Brewers would want to invest $8M per year on.

[jay87shot]

I wouldnt mind the 25 year old Kim but I am not sure if he is the caliber player I would move Turang off of 2B for. I think there is some upside to him but at 5'10" I doubt the power gets much better and there will be adjustment concerns. The biggest worry is that it will probably take 5 years and that is a long time if he doesn't pan out.

[Brian]

On 11/30/2024 at 4:17 PM, BrewerFan said:

I get it...most people on here want Hoskins gone. I think I'm the outlier. And yes, we could use that 18M better...but that's kinda sunken expense. At this point...I think you have to pay at least half that to unload him and...again, I just think he's going to have a better year. 

With Ashby...it's really just how much confidence you have in him. Back in May, June...we couldn't give him away. I've always been high on Ashby, but I did start to lose a little confidence on him. 

 

I agree 100%,

Hoskins IMHO knee was not 100% yet last season and Ashby could be a top notch pitcher if his arm stays right.  But all the if's is not real substantial.  Don't forget Brandon Woodruff should hopefully be back also. 

[BrewerFan]

3 hours ago, Brian said:

I agree 100%,

Hoskins IMHO knee was not 100% yet last season and Ashby could be a top notch pitcher if his arm stays right.  But all the if's is not real substantial.  Don't forget Brandon Woodruff should hopefully be back also. 

I agree...and that's also why each players value isn't that high. If they moved any of them, I wouldn't be upset, but it's not a Jackie Bradley Jr type scenario where I think we'd be so lucky to get out of the deal(that was an amazing trade). 

If Hoskins was coming off a career average ~.830 OPS or so, he'd have some surplus value instead of negative. And I'm talking about among GMs, not using his WAR. He may "only" put up a 1.5 WAR this year as he'll DH and his defense is average at best, but I don't really care about the WAR in that case as much as the OPS and run production. 

[BrewerFan]

11 hours ago, Playing Catch said:

Now that I understand which Kim the OP was referring to, I would be nervous about the Brewers outbidding for an unproven 26-year old middle infielder.

It's not fair to make comparisons with other KBO players coming stateside as there probably haven't been enough examples to garner any real relevance to projecting their future performance, but it seems likely that Kim would have a hard time matching his already modest power numbers, and that his on-base performance, too, would be diminished, at which point you have, at best, a luxury utiliity infielder. A guy with a good glove, decent speed, lefty-stick. Not a bad player, but not someone to dedicate $8M/season on, either.

Oh...yeah, hard pass in that case. I thought you were being a smart ass and just assumed it was Kim from the Pads...which also made me think the contract was a bit light, but that's too big of a risk given our resources. 

Good chance he ends up as a utility IFer given his experience at SS and 2B, but we really can't afford to pay the posting fee(I'm not even entirely sure how that works anymore) and give him 40M over 5 years just based on his performance in the KBO. 

 

[Klantz27]

23 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Oh...yeah, hard pass in that case. I thought you were being a smart ass and just assumed it was Kim from the Pads...which also made me think the contract was a bit light, but that's too big of a risk given our resources. 

Good chance he ends up as a utility IFer given his experience at SS and 2B, but we really can't afford to pay the posting fee(I'm not even entirely sure how that works anymore) and give him 40M over 5 years just based on his performance in the KBO. 

 

Posting fee on 5 year 40 for kim would be in the 7 mil range