Legislation being introduced for future funding of American Family Field: UPDATE New lease through 2050

[Brewcrew82]

11 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

I tried to copy the tweet, but that wasn't working. Dan O'Donnell reporting that the brewers not getting a stadium deal and leaving is a larger possibility than most fans think. 

I'm sure that will continue to be the case until a deal is approved through the respective government channels. MLB applying maximum pressure against lawmakers and has the Oakland-LV saga to back up its threats. 

[patrickgpe]

Just now, Brewcrew82 said:

I'm sure that will continue to be the case until a deal is approved through the respective government channels. MLB using all of its leverage to pressure lawmakers. 

Yes, I get the game. Brewers are playing good cop. MLB playing bad cop. Its convenient that it came out just after the city said they want to pay 0 dollars for the renovations. 

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, patrickgpe said:

Yes, I get the game. Brewers are playing good cop. MLB playing bad cop. Its convenient that it came out just after the city said they want to pay 0 dollars for the renovations. 

City and county are going to be left with no choice considering the leverage the state holds after it just saved them from financial collapse. State can always just divert some of the funding it gives the city/county to stadium renovations. 

[patrickgpe]

6 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

City and county are going to be left with no choice considering the leverage the state holds after it just saved them from financial collapse. State can always just divert some of the funding it gives the city/county to stadium renovations. 

I get the city is broke. They are the largest financial benefactors of the brewers (besides the brewers ownership of course). Their take that the brewers / state should pay for the stadium renovations and we will just sit back and collect our income / sales tax money is kind of skill.  

[patrickgpe]

Here is a summary: 

https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2023-09-26-exclusive-not-an-accident-brewers-owner-leading-as-relocation-committee/?fbclid=IwAR1d4eAnoOTiXbaqLtRTaL-tsP6gw9o9IWLjNyTuX5styV1i2Qs9_7M6XTk

 

it does state that the sources think the chances are still remote. 

[Brewcrew82]

1 hour ago, patrickgpe said:

I get the city is broke. They are the largest financial benefactors of the brewers (besides the brewers ownership of course). Their take that the brewers / state should pay for the stadium renovations and we will just sit back and collect our income / sales tax money is kind of skill.  

They want to freeride. This is a collective action problem that needs to be resolved collectively. At least the state has leverage if the city and county continue to demur. 

[homer]

3 hours ago, patrickgpe said:

I get the city is broke. They are the largest financial benefactors of the brewers (besides the brewers ownership of course). Their take that the brewers / state should pay for the stadium renovations and we will just sit back and collect our income / sales tax money is kind of skill.  

the city doesn't collect income tax. The state does The city also doesn't collect property taxes because the stadium district is exempt from them. The city gets branding, sales taxes from bars and hotels, and sales taxes from food, beverage, merch sold at the stadium. 

[patrickgpe]

43 minutes ago, homer said:

the city doesn't collect income tax. The state does The city also doesn't collect property taxes because the stadium district is exempt from them. The city gets branding, sales taxes from bars and hotels, and sales taxes from food, beverage, merch sold at the stadium. 

i get that but there is a shared revenue formula from the state. the more money the state gets in income tax = the more money the city gets. 

[homer]

3 hours ago, patrickgpe said:

i get that but there is a shared revenue formula from the state. the more money the state gets in income tax = the more money the city gets. 

The shared revenue comes from the state sales tax (typo below ..should be 5 percent sales tax):

The roughly $1 billion in aid to local governments — known as shared revenue — would be paid for by tapping 20% of the state’s 5-cent sales tax. Aid would then grow along with sales tax revenue. The measure increases current aid by about $250 million statewide.

 

https://pbswisconsin.org/news-item/evers-signs-bipartisan-shared-revenue-bill-designed-to-prevent-milwaukee-bankruptcy/#:~:text=The roughly %241 billion in,by about %24250 million statewide.

[owbc]

https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/featured/common-sense-central/content/2023-09-26-exclusive-not-an-accident-brewers-owner-leading-as-relocation-committee/

I'm pretty sure Manfred would move the Yankees if he thought there was a better revenue opportunity elsewhere. 

[MrTPlush]

Does the city or county not have a tax on ticket sales? No entertainment tax? Nothing?

Even if they don’t have that, Milwaukee county get .5% of all ticket sales from county residents, every penny of sales inside the stadium, all of the money generated in the county by visitors, and the city gets motel tax.

That has got to be a bonkers amount of money a year.

[homer]

27 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

Does the city or county not have a tax on ticket sales? No entertainment tax? Nothing?

Even if they don’t have that, Milwaukee county get .5% of all ticket sales from county residents, every penny of sales inside the stadium, all of the money generated in the county by visitors, and the city gets motel tax.

That has got to be a bonkers amount of money a year.

This is everything - state and local. The state is 5% and the county is/was .05%.

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The Brewers generate nearly $20 million in state and local sales taxes per year 

https://madison.com/news/state-regional/government-politics/brewers-stadium-state-funding-milwaukee/article_d1cf1912-5bb0-11ee-9d2b-8bd883ecb017.html

[MrTPlush]

 

11 hours ago, homer said:

This is everything - state and local. The state is 5% and the county is/was .05%.

https://madison.com/news/state-regional/government-politics/brewers-stadium-state-funding-milwaukee/article_d1cf1912-5bb0-11ee-9d2b-8bd883ecb017.html

Plus, about $10mil in income tax generated. That is $30mil per year total in just straight up cold hard cash getting collected. $600mil over 20 years without having to jump through complicated mental gymnastics to then value economic impact etc. etc...which do add value for the city/county.

It doesn't seem like a bad deal at all. The deal will get done after the county/city bicker about it for awhile. 

[homer]

21 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

 

Plus, about $10mil in income tax generated. That is $30mil per year total in just straight up cold hard cash getting collected. $600mil over 20 years without having to jump through complicated mental gymnastics to then value economic impact etc. etc...which do add value for the city/county.

It doesn't seem like a bad deal at all. The deal will get done after the county/city bicker about it for awhile. 

Again, income tax goes to the state not the city/county and the bulk of that sales tax goes to the state as well. The city does have a hotel tax but I think the last I saw something like 14% of all people attending games are from out of state and most of those are probably Cubs fans driving up for a game. So it's probably closer to 5 - 7% needing a hotel. I don't have an issue with the state kicking in as they get the 5% sales tax and the income tax. The state comes out ahead even contributing $20 million a year. I take issue with 265 acres property tax free and then being asked to contribute $100 - 200 million on top of that unless someone can show me actual numbers that prove the city/county at least break even.

[MrTPlush]

1 hour ago, homer said:

Again, income tax goes to the state not the city/county and the bulk of that sales tax goes to the state as well. The city does have a hotel tax but I think the last I saw something like 14% of all people attending games are from out of state and most of those are probably Cubs fans driving up for a game. So it's probably closer to 5 - 7% needing a hotel. I don't have an issue with the state kicking in as they get the 5% sales tax and the income tax. The state comes out ahead even contributing $20 million a year. I take issue with 265 acres property tax free and then being asked to contribute $100 - 200 million on top of that unless someone can show me actual numbers that prove the city/county at least break even.

Didn’t Milwaukee just pass some 2% tax that will take effect next year or so?

[patrickgpe]

3 hours ago, MrTPlush said:

Didn’t Milwaukee just pass some 2% tax that will take effect next year or so?

Yes but that was to pay current obligations.

 

What may make sense if that if it can be figured out what Milwaukee gets in revenue for the Brewers being here and a large portion of that goes to the upkeep. The rest can ticket charge for fans using the stadium. The state, county and Brewers have seemed to be more open to paying for this. IDK its for smarter people than me to figure out. 

[Jimbo]

On Monday evening, State Senator Chris Larson held a town hall meeting on the subject which I attended.  Included a 22-slide presentation.  Very informative.

 

This is a non-political website, so that is all I will say.

 

[nate82]

What I find weird is that the Brewers paid for the majority or all of their spring training facilities improvements.  This would be a lot more than what they paid for those improvements but still the team should be paying for the majority but they won’t.

[MrTPlush]

8 minutes ago, nate82 said:

What I find weird is that the Brewers paid for the majority or all of their spring training facilities improvements.  This would be a lot more than what they paid for those improvements but still the team should be paying for the majority but they won’t.

Because half the MLB is in a one hour radius circle of Phoenix. Most cities have a team already and the players aren't getting paid. The stadiums are also mostly seasonal. A month of games and then a ghost town. I realize there are minor league games and such...but that is a blip on the radar. There isn't the immense value the MLB franchise brings and there is very little relocation threat. 

There is value, but it isn't like you get to reap the benefits of the $150mil+ MLB payrolls for income tax or sales tax for 81 games of 30k people. 

[jerichoholicninja]

39 minutes ago, nate82 said:

What I find weird is that the Brewers paid for the majority or all of their spring training facilities improvements.  This would be a lot more than what they paid for those improvements but still the team should be paying for the majority but they won’t.

They tried to get funding to build a new complex but when they didn't get it they just decided to pay on their own for upgrades.

[homer]

 

 

[MrTPlush]

10 hours ago, homer said:

 

 

Below is what it would look like to plop Titletown next to AmFam. Orange is where it would logically go, but the Red would be the alternative. Even if you shrank it down you would still be using, at minimum, the east preferred parking or at least 25% of the main preferred parking area. 

Which is a problem...this wouldn't use the back of Uecker/Yount lots, it would go in the prime parking areas they currently have. Over the course of a year, that is a massive loss in parking revenue. 

One can hail Selig for keeping baseball in Milwaukee, but the downfall was the fact he demanded the ballpark right where it already was instead of the downtown location the city preferred. 

[owbc]

12 hours ago, homer said:

 

 

Back in the day these lots would normally be full for a crowd of 40,000, but I noticed when I was in Milwaukee earlier this summer that the lots don't fill up as much as they did 10 or 15 years ago. 

I'm guessing Uber/Lyft is what changed???

[homer]

22 minutes ago, owbc said:

Back in the day these lots would normally be full for a crowd of 40,000, but I noticed when I was in Milwaukee earlier this summer that the lots don't fill up as much as they did 10 or 15 years ago. 

I'm guessing Uber/Lyft is what changed???

That's my guess. I also found out there is no bus that goes directly to the park anymore (pretty sure they used to exist). Minimum 1/2 mile walk from National Ave or Wisconsin Ave

[stalton]

Not to mention the cost of parking has gone up dramatically. I go to a handful of games every year and it's alot easier to head to a bar and take the shuttle.  2 beers at the bar is a heck of a lot cheaper than tailgaiting