Spring training updates

[wiguy94]

Something to keep an eye on. Looks like Bryan Hudson threw a changeup today. That rogue cutter is a changeup. I went back and looked at the video and it definitely looked like a changeup and changeup grip.

[Jake McKibbin]

This is probably what will happen with Misiorowski in the majors. He doesn't even need command so much as just finding the strike zone, making hitters swing.

Lots of swing and miss, lots of poor contact, just has to force them to get the bat off their shoulders (as you can see by the chase rates)

I would expect the IVB to tick up somewhat as well based on last years numbers.

One outing, especially one inning at the start of pre-season, doesn't say much but as he warms up there's obviously an expectation/hope he'll demonstrate more control

[Brian]

15 hours ago, Underachiever said:

Here is something I never understand. Pratt leads off the inning with a double. Then Chourio grounds one to short, Pratt takes off, is out by a mile at third. Announcers say, "That's what Spring Training is about. Knowing when to run..." Except that has been the same since Pratt was in Little League. Don't run on a ball to your right or make the first out at third base. They do the same thing when a centerfielder and left fielder miscommunicate on a ball. "They will have to work that out." Except it has been the center fielder's ball since forever. Always puzzles me.

Your right, that stuff should be learned below the age of ten, unless if it was a hit and run.  I did not get to watch the game yesterday. 

[Brian]

14 hours ago, jesusoftheapes said:

Cooper Pratt should be the 2025 starting Shortstop for the Brewers .   I get making them work through the minors but that guy is better than minor leagues and belongs in the brightest lights of the game.   

 

Man he looks full grown .  The baserunning mistake he made today is rookie stuff that will not be issues with more playing time.   He looks like a guy who belongs and we need a new Short.  he happens to play + defense at Short .    the Brewers can debate Ortiz or Turang but the truth is neither of them are going to keep Shortstop because of Cooper Pratt.   Pratt is coming.   Even if they do not make him play bigs ball in 2025 he is the future of this franchise at SS.       So moving Turang or Ortiz temporarily to Short only to have to move them out of Milwaukee or to another spot on the infield in 2026 to accommodate Pratts call up seems defeatist.  

 

That guy is the most special player on the Brewers prospects list and I see that now.    There is no better player for the Shortstop job in MLB ball.    That guy is going to be a SUPERSTAR! 

He started last year with the Timber Rattlers 

[Playing Catch]

14 hours ago, jesusoftheapes said:

That is not what I saw.    He did just fine for his first work of the season.   Jacob's command has never been "bad" it just has moments where it gets shaky but it is never bad for long periods of time.      

He walked a few and racked a few and hit good Velocity.   For his first start i say it looked about like you would expect.   

I am not willing to say he has bad anything .  Jacob is our best chance to have a Skenes and I am more than happy to wait on him until he can start here.    The call to push him into the bullpen must end.   He is much to valuable as a starter.    

Craig yoho can be the pitcher who tears up the pen.   Mis can play AAA until they get him ready for starting work.      

The thing with both Misiorowski and Yoho is that their stuff is so nasty, they have to throw strikes, because big leaguers spit on anything that is borderline, because they know they can't hit it anyway, may as well hope for a ball.

Misiorowski's command has been bad before. It was bad yesterday. That's okay, as you mention, it was his first Spring Training game. But it was bad. He doesn't need to live on the edges of the zone. He should be throwing everything dead center.

[bigred]

Am I the only one who's getting tired of reading articles that claim that just because Miz was the 1st pitcher yesterday, it means that he's being groomed as a starter? During the preseason, it's not uncommon for relief pitchers to pitch the first inning. 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

35 minutes ago, bigred said:

Am I the only one who's getting tired of reading articles that claim that just because Miz was the 1st pitcher yesterday, it means that he's being groomed as a starter? During the preseason, it's not uncommon for relief pitchers to pitch the first inning. 

There are articles claiming that?

I don't think his role has been determined yet. I imagine they will exhaust every avenue to make him a starter before moving forward with him as a reliever. Value-wise that makes the most sense.

[bigred]

13 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

There are articles claiming that?

I don't think his role has been determined yet. I imagine they will exhaust every avenue to make him a starter before moving forward with him as a reliever. Value-wise that makes the most sense.

Yes. I've read a couple since yesterday's game. I agree, that his role hasn't really been determined yet. Although, with his control issues, I think it's likely that he'll end up a reliever. And if that's the case, I'd be inclined to look at the possibility of trading him to a team that may like him as a starter. Just my opinion. Just goes to show how the "media" now, is nothing but biased drivel and pure sensationalism BS. 

[bigred]

9 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

There are articles claiming that?

I don't think his role has been determined yet. I imagine they will exhaust every avenue to make him a starter before moving forward with him as a reliever. Value-wise that makes the most sense.

Here's just one of them. 

https://www.mlb.com/news/jacob-misiorowski-aiming-to-be-a-starter-in-2025

[tmwiese55]

6 minutes ago, bigred said:

Yes. I've read a couple since yesterday's game. I agree, that his role hasn't really been determined yet. Although, with his control issues, I think it's likely that he'll end up a reliever. And if that's the case, I'd be inclined to look at the possibility of trading him to a team that may like him as a starter. Just my opinion. 

We're one of if not the best team at developing pitchers.  We're probably his best chance to make it as a starter. 

[bigred]

2 minutes ago, tmwiese55 said:

We're one of if not the best team at developing pitchers.  We're probably his best chance to make it as a starter. 

Possibly. They better try something to get his control issues taken care of, though, before his trade value starts to plummet. It probably has already, somewhat. 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

2 minutes ago, bigred said:

Possibly. They better try something to get his control issues taken care of, though, before his trade value starts to plummet. It probably has already, somewhat. 

Um, no. He's 22.

[wiguy94]

56 minutes ago, bigred said:

Am I the only one who's getting tired of reading articles that claim that just because Miz was the 1st pitcher yesterday, it means that he's being groomed as a starter? During the preseason, it's not uncommon for relief pitchers to pitch the first inning. 

The Brewers are absolutely going to have him starting games in AAA to open the season. That doesn’t mean his eventual MLB role will be a SP but it’s been heavily reported that the org still views him as a potential SP longterm.

[Jake McKibbin]

10 minutes ago, bigred said:

Here's just one of them. 

https://www.mlb.com/news/jacob-misiorowski-aiming-to-be-a-starter-in-2025

To be fair, this is him saying he wants to start games but is happy to help the big league club however he can. Obviously every pitching prospect would think that way so its hardly newsworthy, but they've used it for a clicky title

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

11 minutes ago, bigred said:

Here's just one of them. 

https://www.mlb.com/news/jacob-misiorowski-aiming-to-be-a-starter-in-2025

That article interviews him saying that HE wants to start. He's a high pick that is only 22 years old and is on the cusp of the majors. The Brewers have absolutely no reason not to see what he can do as a starter.

[bigred]

2 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Um, no. He's 22.

Not saying trade him immediately. If he doesn't get his control in check, and soon, it will become obvious to the Brewers, and the rest of the league, that he'll have to be a reliever. And if that happens, his trade value will drop, big-time. 

[bigred]

3 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

That article interviews him saying that HE wants to start. He's a high pick that is only 22 years old and is on the cusp of the majors. The Brewers have absolutely no reason not to see what he can do as a starter.

Of course he's going to say that. I was referring to the articles automatically claiming that just because he started the game, that it means he's being groomed as a starter. During spring training, it's very common for teams to have a reliever start the game, and pitch one inning. That doesn't always mean they're being made into a starter all of a sudden. 

[wiguy94]

Just now, bigred said:

Not saying trade him immediately. If he doesn't get his control in check, and soon, it will become obvious to the Brewers, and the rest of the league, that he'll have to be a reliever. And if that happens, his trade value will drop, big-time. 

That’s like saying the Brewers should have traded Hader because he lost trade value going from SP prospect to RP in the majors. 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

4 minutes ago, bigred said:

Not saying trade him immediately. If he doesn't get his control in check, and soon, it will become obvious to the Brewers, and the rest of the league, that he'll have to be a reliever. And if that happens, his trade value will drop, big-time. 

He throws triple digits, is 22 years old, and has been dominant as a minor leaguer. He has years (yes, YEARS) before that happens. 

He's also a top 100 prospect. Every single team in the majors would absolutely love to have an arm like his in their system. I imagine he's one of the first names that comes up in any high-end trade talks involving the Brewers.

[wiguy94]

Just now, bigred said:

Of course he's going to say that. I was referring to the articles automatically claiming that just because he started the game, that it means he's being groomed as a starter. During spring training, it's very common for teams to have a reliever start the game, and pitch one inning. 

Because he is a SP prospect. The biggest reason he even went into the bullpen towards the end of last season was because he was coming up on his season innings limit and needed to reduce his workload in a bullpen role. 
 

Just because he’s a SP prospect doesn’t mean that will ultimately be his MLB role but yes he’s a SP for now.

[bigred]

8 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

The Brewers are absolutely going to have him starting games in AAA to open the season. That doesn’t mean his eventual MLB role will be a SP but it’s been heavily reported that the org still views him as a potential SP longterm.

I agree. Again, I'm just tired of the "media" automatically assuming that it means he's being groomed as a starter. Don't make my initial comment into something more than it actually is. 

[bigred]

8 minutes ago, Jake McKibbin said:

To be fair, this is him saying he wants to start games but is happy to help the big league club however he can. Obviously every pitching prospect would think that way so its hardly newsworthy, but they've used it for a clicky title

Then the media needs to learn how to word their titles better. They won't though, because it's ALL about stirring up drama. 

[wiguy94]

Just now, bigred said:

I agree. Again, I'm just tired of the "media" automatically assuming that it means he's being groomed as a starter. Don't make my initial comment into something more than it actually is. 

So you’re tired of him being talked about as a SP while you readily admit he will be a SP in the minors? That doesn’t make much sense.

[bigred]

6 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

He throws triple digits, is 22 years old, and has been dominant as a minor leaguer. He has years (yes, YEARS) before that happens. 

He's also a top 100 prospect. Every single team in the majors would absolutely love to have an arm like his in their system. I imagine he's one of the first names that comes up in any high-end trade talks involving the Brewers.

Sigh! Again, I said NOTHING about trading him immediately. SMDH. My God, people, stop trying to make my comment out to be more than it was actually meant to be. A frigging OPINION!! This site is getting to be way beyond ridiculous with how easily people get "offended". The blunt truth, though, is if he doesn't get his control issues in check soon, that means he'll almost certainly end up being a reliever, which WILL drop his future trade value. 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

1 minute ago, bigred said:

Sigh! Again, I said NOTHING about trading him now. SMDH. My God, people, stop trying to make my comment out to be more than it was actually meant to be. A frigging OPINION!! This site is getting to be way beyond ridiculous with how easily people get "offended". 

LOL who is offended here? You stated an opinion, and I (among others) countered it.