Attanasio the Next Commissioner?

[BrewerFan]

25 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Whatever Bud. Jesse Orosco took a pay cut after the ‘92 season as well, so I don’t get the relevance. It’s okay though, I realize you are approaching 91 years old and are concerned about legacy. Nonetheless I still think you were one of the crappiest owners the last 15 years of ownership. 
 

You don't get the relevance of paying a reliever who threw 39 innings 1M and offering Molitor 1.3M?

Ok...well, if you don't see it, you don't see it. 

[Jopal78]

5 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

You don't get the relevance of paying a reliever who threw 39 innings 1M and offering Molitor 1.3M?

Ok...well, if you don't see it, you don't see it. 

If Baseball Reference is accurate: Jesse Orosco made 1.3 million with Milwaukee in 1992. He took a pay cut to 1 million in 1993.

The Brewers cut payroll after ‘92 into ‘93

So, Orosco took the pay cut and was retained. Ultimately, Molitor refused their pay cut and signed elsewhere. 
 

So yes, Bud, I don’t understand the relevance and you still were a crappy owner. 
 

 

[BrewerFan]

32 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

If Baseball Reference is accurate: Jesse Orosco made 1.3 million with Milwaukee in 1992. He took a pay cut to 1 million in 1993.

The Brewers cut payroll after ‘92 into ‘93

So, Orosco took the pay cut and was retained. Ultimately, Molitor refused their pay cut and signed elsewhere. 
 

So yes, Bud, I don’t understand the relevance and you still were a crappy owner. 
 

 

Ok. You don't get it.

You think offering a franchise icon 1.3M and offering Orosco 1M makes...perfect sense. 

Gotcha. 

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, BrewerFan said:

Ok. You don't get it.

You think offering a franchise icon 1.3M and offering Orosco 1M makes...perfect sense. 

Gotcha. 

Selig’s team, Selig’s money. Selig was okay with Molitor playing somewhere else if he didn’t want to play for what Bud was willing to offer. End of story. 
 

Bando was merely one of the former players Bud liked  who Selig then put in the front office to carry his water as Bud cut the baseball operations’ budget to the bone while strong arming  the state into building him a stadium. 

[BrewerFan]

4 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Selig’s team, Selig’s money. Selig was okay with Molitor playing somewhere else if he didn’t want to play for what Bud was willing to offer. End of story. 
 

Bando was merely one of the former players Bud liked  who Selig then put in the front office to carry his water as Bud cut the baseball operations’ budget to the bone while strong arming  the state into building him a stadium. 

Yeah...if that's the end of the story and you want to ignore the part where Selig was the commissioner and he believed a deal would get done while Bando tanked it...and then he came back at the last minute to try and get him to agree to go to arbitration...sure, end of story.  

 

If you also want to ignore how the Brewers often had payrolls that were among the highest in the league in the 80s...ok. 

 

Bando was "merely" the...guy who made the decision to offer Molitor .3M more than Orasco. End of story. 

[Jopal78]

3 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Yeah...if that's the end of the story and you want to ignore the part where Selig was the commissioner and he believed a deal would get done while Bando tanked it...and then he came back at the last minute to try and get him to agree to go to arbitration...sure, end of story.  

 

If you also want to ignore how the Brewers often had payrolls that were among the highest in the league in the 80s...ok. 

 

Bando was "merely" the...guy who made the decision to offer Molitor .3M more than Orasco. End of story. 

I’ll Venmo you $50 if you can find an article where Selig is on record saying he thought a deal would get done BUT unbeknownst to him Bando tanked it 

Simply didn’t happen, you’ve proven it over and over by a light attachment to know facts. 

Nice straw man argument that the Brewers had some of the highest payrolls in the 80s by the way Who cares? Here’s some more solid facts for ya.  In 1992 their payroll was 13th in the league. Bud gutted it in the offseason and they were 23rd out of 28th. 

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, Jopal78 said:

I’ll Venmo you $50 if you can find an article where Selig is on record saying he thought a deal would get done BUT unbeknownst to him Bando tanked it 

Simply didn’t happen, you’ve proven it over and over by a light attachment to know facts. 

Nice straw man argument that the Brewers had some of the highest payrolls in the 80s by the way Who cares? Here’s some more solid facts for ya.  In 1992 their payroll was 13th in the league. Bud gutted it in the offseason and they were 23rd out of 28th. 

It's more his actions and...pretty basic deductive reasoning. 

I've got it. You think Bando deciding to wait for the expansion draft, giving a reliever 1M(a whole .3M paycut) while asking your best player and franchise Icon to take a paycut from 3.2M to 1.3M with a 2M option) was reasonable.

Because Selig stepped in when the deal HADN'T happened at the last minute, you definitely cannot infer he wanted to and thought they'd keep Molitor and that it was Bando that didn't want him. You need it spelled out for you quite literally with Bud saying, "I thought Bando would get it done, but I had to step in after the Jays had offered him money to salvage it," and shy of that, it doesn't matter. 

 

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Nice straw man argument that the Brewers had some of the highest payrolls in the 80s by the way Who cares?

I...kinda felt like it was obvious. I did. Did I not make that clear? Why would you think I'd post if if I didn't think it was relevant or cared? He was in the smallest market and yet they were running one of the highest payrolls while they went to a WS and were an injury to their closer away from a WS. 

Selig brought Baseball to Milwaukee. He spent to bring in and keep two HOFer(until he left to become commissioner) and he DID certainly hire a poor GM to steward things in his absence. And by that time, they'd spent to keep a young phenom pitcher who had injury issues as well as two other players to try and push them over the top that didn't work. So they lost money and had to cut back on payroll(which brings me back to paying the reliever 1M self explanatory, but I guess it wasn't). 

It WAS Selig's team and Selig's money and he's THEE reason there is a team in Milwaukee for people like you to complain...fairly regularly about...he also did so many things for small markets to try an do what little he could to balance the inequities in the game, but...sure, terrible owner! 

 

Just curious...how bad is Attanasio? I mean, you blame Selig for "strong arming the City," because they needed a new stadium, but did Attanasio not do that? Or you likely do feel the same way about Attanasio...who can tell. 

 

Here's what happened. If you want to contort this to lay at Selig's feet rather than Bando's...I mean, people have all types of opinions that seem to be....unique. There are people who think Chourio was a bad signing. 

There are people who think the Brewers should be spending 10M more on the MLB team vs their LA development.

I think it's pretty hard to argue that bringing the team to Milwaukee until that 1992 season when he was  involved day to day speak for themselves, but...sure...."crappy owner!" LOL...alright. Here's what happened. If you still feel that way...so be it. 

https://shepherdexpress.com/sports/brew-crew-confidential/messy-divorce-brewers-paul-molitor/

 

https://www.swamileecards.com/the-other-side-of-bud-selig

[Jopal78]

2 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

It's more his actions and...pretty basic deductive reasoning. 

 

ie “Because that’s what I think happened”. 
Haha! Didn’t see that one coming at all 🤔

Have fun at the Selig Experience this summer!

[SF70]

8 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

ie “Because that’s what I think happened”. 
Haha! Didn’t see that one coming at all 🤔

Have fun at the Selig Experience this summer!

Brewerfan is right — we should be honoring Selig, not disparaging him. 

Just the determination it took for him to bring baseball back to MKE and the state of Wisconsin makes him a Wisconsin icon. Then to spearhead the building of Miller Park, saving the team from relocation makes him, imo, the most important sportsman in the history of Wisconsin.

Then if that wasn’t enough, he gave up his team in an attempt to save all small-market teams with new stadiums and revenue-sharing. To convince the Steinbrenner’s of the baseball world to give up profit for the good of the game was an immense accomplishment.

Was Selig perfect, no, far from it. Collusion was a terrible mistake, as was turning over the team to his daughter, but what he did as owner and founder of this franchise, and as commissioner of baseball in saving the SM franchise far outweighs the bad.

 

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, SF70 said:

Brewerfan is right — we should be honoring Selig, not disparaging him. 

Just the determination it took for him to bring baseball back to MKE and the state of Wisconsin makes him a Wisconsin icon. Then to spearhead the building of Miller Park, saving the team from relocation makes him, imo, the most important sportsman in the history of Wisconsin.

Then if that wasn’t enough, he gave up his team in an attempt to save all small-market teams with new stadiums and revenue-sharing. To convince the Steinbrenner’s of the baseball world to give up profit for the good of the game was an immense accomplishment.

Was Selig perfect, no, far from it. Collusion was a terrible mistake, as was turning over the team to his daughter, but what he did as owner and founder of this franchise, and as commissioner of baseball in saving the SM franchise far outweighs the bad.

 

 

 

It is worth distinguishing personal ambition from civic heroism. Selig didn’t bring the Pilots to town out of pure love for the game—he recognized, ahead of the curve, that team ownership was poised to become highly lucrative.
 

 While Selig framed the move in terms of civic pride, his tenure as Brewers owner mostly reflected a chronically cost conscious and uninspired approach. Outside of a brief window in the early 1980s, the team was largely irrelevant in the standings for over three decades—suggesting not just bad luck, but a pattern of limited investment and ambition.

Things only got worse once Selig installed himself as commissioner. His decisions in fact deepened the challenges for small-market teams like Milwaukee while damaging his own reputation.
 

He oversaw the disastrous 1994 strike, ignored the steroid era as it filled seats and boosted revenues, and only acted once Congress stepped in. While he pushed for revenue-sharing to help small-market teams, these financial reforms ultimately failed to level the playing field. Instead of narrowing the gap, they allowed larger markets with massive local TV deals to continue dominating, leaving small-market teams like the Brewers further behind.

His supposed gift to Milwaukee—a publicly funded stadium pushed through with political maneuvering—became a monument to misplaced priorities. During his tenure Miller Park didn’t bring the meaningful on-field success he had promised; it simply made the franchise more valuable before he cashed out.

Selig clearly understood the business of baseball. But to me, the legacy he left behind looks less like a rescue and more like a long-running exercise in extracting value, while the team spent decades stuck in neutral.

[BrewerFan]

19 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

ie “Because that’s what I think happened”. 
Haha! Didn’t see that one coming at all 🤔

Have fun at the Selig Experience this summer!

Sure bud. I feel like you captured the points I made in an intellectually honest manner here. 

 

[TURBO]

11 hours ago, SF70 said:

Brewerfan is right — we should be honoring Selig, not disparaging him. 

Just the determination it took for him to bring baseball back to MKE and the state of Wisconsin makes him a Wisconsin icon. Then to spearhead the building of Miller Park, saving the team from relocation makes him, imo, the most important sportsman in the history of Wisconsin.

Then if that wasn’t enough, he gave up his team in an attempt to save all small-market teams with new stadiums and revenue-sharing. To convince the Steinbrenner’s of the baseball world to give up profit for the good of the game was an immense accomplishment.

Was Selig perfect, no, far from it. Collusion was a terrible mistake, as was turning over the team to his daughter, but what he did as owner and founder of this franchise, and as commissioner of baseball in saving the SM franchise far outweighs the bad.

 

Yes, this...

Bravo!

[TURBO]

jopal, just curious, have you ever agreed with anyone on this board?  I mean EVER?

Seriously.

I get it, you like to argue and taking the opposite view on every single subject is your thing, but geez, you are relentless in your approach to start something with every poster on this board.

That is all, carry on.

[Jopal78]

3 hours ago, TURBO said:

jopal, just curious, have you ever agreed with anyone on this board?  I mean EVER?

Seriously.

I get it, you like to argue and taking the opposite view on every single subject is your thing, but geez, you are relentless in your approach to start something with every poster on this board.

That is all, carry on.

I’m sure I have. I think this all started when I initially posted that Attanasio has been a terrific owner and much better than Selig who nearly alienated a generation of fans while he ran the team into the ground.

I wasn’t the one who asserted  it was Sal Bando who was solely responsible for Paul Molitor leaving and absolved Bud Selig of all blame, which apparently there is no support for. 
 

Then someone else chimed in that Selig is great. That’s certainly fair, but it’s also fair to argue he isn’t some folk hero but rather a guy who cobbled together  10 million dollars to buy a team, mostly spun his wheels for the next 30 years then unloaded it for a cool 220 million dollars. 
 

 

[edfunderburk]

This topic is off the rails …

It’s been a while since the posts were about the subject - Attanasio as a candidate for baseball commissioner after Manfred

For what it’s worth - I think Manfred is a great commissioner & I can’t imagine Attanasio as a legitimate candidate 

Attanasio may be really smart & successful - but he struggles to communicate clearly … especially with the media

I don’t want a new commissioner who is older than the retiring commissioner 

Surely there are far better candidates 

I can’t imagine that Manfred isn’t preparing or grooming someone to step into the role when he retires in a few years

This topic is nonsense