When do we talk about a Misiorowski extension?

[Playing Catch]

2 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

I do suspect after a bad outing people will be far less eager

This is correct. That's one thing with Freddy and Ashby. They were both more polished players when they extended, giving the Brewers confidence in their floors as 26-man pitchers. Misiorowski could totally flame out, suddenly spraying 103 at guy's skulls, and the Brewers suddenly needing to pay him to play in Nashville for 8 years.

I'm NOT predicting such an outcome, I'm actually quite bullish on Les Miz seeing what we've seen this season, including in Nashville. But I think that the performance-risk with an extension for him is still quite real.

[Jopal78]

3 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Actually, you started out by saying, "I’m sure it is now table stakes for MLB teams to offer their premier pre-arbitration eligible players contract extensions," which infers you're guessing(which...of coure you are as we have no idea) and NOW you're just stating it as a fact.   

Either way, I'm talking about the Brewers doing it early. 

Now with Chourio, I said I thought they'd do it almost immediately when the MLB season started...I didn't think it'd come before the season started, but do the Dodgers do it? The Yankees?

A lot of these teams either don't or they wait until a player has established themselves as elite. 

We made no offer to Burnes, Woodruff, Adames, Contreras...according to all of them. 

 

SOME teams do it. The Braves certainly do. Cleveland from time to time. Beyond that, VERY few teams would do this a few months in to team control. 

I would personally be more aggressive and far exceed the Peralta, Ashby offers as... he's just such a unique talent...

I think there is an article in the Journal Sentinel from Summer of 2024 where Contreras in fact says he’s not interested in anything long term.

I think you’re being a bit naive too. After being drafted Misiorowski got a 2+ million dollar signing bonus. He’s not some kid looking to payoff his folks’ mortgage. The Brewers can want to sign a player whenever they want, it doesn’t mean the player is receptive. You can also bet they hammer out structure (length, club option years, buyouts, etc) before they negotiate numbers with specificity. 
 

With today’s players (especially the American born draftees) these type deals are increasingly rare to the finish line.

 

[wiguy94]

On 6/23/2025 at 10:20 PM, wiguy94 said:

It's Top 2 finish not Top 3. NL rookie class is very weak but Misiorowski is probably only going to throw at most 75 innings for the Brewers this year due to his innings limit. Unless he keeps a sub 2.00 ERA, he probably won't finish Top 2.

Actually I am going to amend this. With how terrible the NL rookie class is, Misiorowski even at just 75 innings would have a legit chance to finish Top 2 in the ROTY vote which would essentially lose us a year of team control. Just need to hope some of these NL rookies can start playing better.

[Team Canada]

If Miz keeps throwing shutouts it won't matter how bad the other rookies are. 😎

[endaround]

36 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Actually I am going to amend this. With how terrible the NL rookie class is, Misiorowski even at just 75 innings would have a legit chance to finish Top 2 in the ROTY vote which would essentially lose us a year of team control. Just need to hope some of these NL rookies can start playing better.

Brewers are going to go with an All In "Vote Collins" campaign. Or not demote Patrick.  Or bring back Henderson.

Or Kim just keeps hitting.

The Rookie class doesn't look terrible to me, there just isn't an MVP level season happening.

[wiguy94]

27 minutes ago, Team Canada said:

If Miz keeps throwing shutouts it won't matter how bad the other rookies are. 😎

I mean we do not want him to win ROTY or even finish 2nd. It would be very bad for the Brewers.

[brewcrewdue80]

12 hours ago, Brian said:

The Brewers murky world of contract manipulation. Professional sports is a business, and teams are often focused on maximizing profits, which means paying players as little as possible. 

https://reviewingthebrew.com/this-could-be-the-real-reason-the-brewers-waited-so-long-to-promote-jacob-misiorowski-01jy9s82rgrm 

Oh my. Not Super 2 Avoidance! Shame on the crew. They must be the only team that does this. Have the guy find a team that has never done this.

And this guy's next piece on Misiorowski will be laughing at the Brewers because he won NL RoY.  Sorry little miffed because like 80% of comments from highlights of Miz thus far, are TJ this year, TJ soon, won't be a Brewer is 1-2 seasons.

[BrewerFan]

On 6/22/2025 at 7:16 AM, BrewerFan said:

Of course, we ALL know that 3 2/3 IP, 6BB 7 ER game is coming. He's not prime Bob Gibson, Sandy Koufax(or whatever other great) right out of the gate, so there will be some bumps along the way.

Here we go! Now's the time to strike. 3.20 ERA. Is the guy even that good? 

We'd be doing HIM a favor!

[BrewerFan]

On 6/25/2025 at 11:58 AM, Jopal78 said:

I think there is an article in the Journal Sentinel from Summer of 2024 where Contreras in fact says he’s not interested in anything long term.

I think you’re being a bit naive too. After being drafted Misiorowski got a 2+ million dollar signing bonus. He’s not some kid looking to payoff his folks’ mortgage.

 

There was actually an article after the 2023 season where Jouranal Sentinal Curt Hogg specifically says he IS interested in a contract extension. 

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"“I feel good,” Contreras said. “I feel like an important piece of this team and really comfortable on this team. I feel at home.”"

 

As for "being naive," and him signing a 2M+ signing bonus or not "some kid looking to pay off his folks' mortgage," I couldn't possibly speak to him paying off the mortgage,

Why do YOU suppose he's "not some kid," who would be looking to do that? I certainly would have at 19-20. What is it about him that makes you so confident to make that statement? Not just a guess, but a statement?

 

Now, as it pertains to his signing bonus after taxes(which would have been ~45%) then the 4-5% the average MLB agent takes and he's made 1M dollars. That's really...not a lot of money. 

 

So no, I don't think it's "naive" to suggest he may be receptive to an extension that would create generational wealth and still give him plenty of time after that to earn money. 

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You can also bet they hammer out structure (length, club option years, buyouts, etc) before they negotiate numbers with specificity.

 

Ok. I'm not entirely sure what your point is. I mean, I would "bet" they address the GTD money and years FIRST, then talk about signing bonuses(money up front, always more valuable than money on the backend) and then incentives... but ok. I'm not sure how that changes anything. 

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The Brewers can want to sign a player whenever they want, it doesn’t mean the player is receptive.  

With today’s players (especially the American born draftees) these type deals are increasingly rare to the finish line.

 

 

Right. I don't think I suggested the player has no say in the matter. I think I laid out the pros and cons for both sides and said.... it's time to TALK about an extension for Misiorowski. It seems rather obvious the earlier you approach them, the more likely they are to be open to an extension. 

I don't know that these deals are "increasingly rare," they seem more dependent on the team... and player... 

 

Edit-My ENTIRE point... they should try. Something they didn't do with Burnes or Woodruff...or Hader but they did with Peralta and Ashby. 

Also, if you want to talk about rare, not many guys got 80M before playing an MLB game. So... the worst he can do is shut you down...and you still have him for 6.5 years. 

If he says yes... all the better. 

[Lathund]

I think the "Brewers didn't make an offer" thing is somewhat of a semantic issue. If they were interested in an extension with Peralta and Ashby, there is no reason to think they weren't interested in one with Woodruff or Burnes. Yes, we don't *know* this, but I can't believe any front office in the league that wouldn't have signed those guys to the Peralta deal if they could. 

Teams talk to agents all the time, they will for sure have gauged their level of interest in an extension, and gotten a rough idea of what it'd take. If that doesn't at all line up with what the team was looking at, there isn't any point in making an offer. Doesn't mean they didn't try. The player would be telling the truth in saying there wasn't an offer. (While you're still with the team, it would also be the smart thing to say regardless of whether it was true or not). And team officials don't talk about negotiations like that, and not much leaks from the current org. 

So again, this is just speculation, but I think it's far more reasonable to assume they tried, but didn't get close (For whatever reason. Player not interested, Brewers being cheap, w/e) as opposed to not trying. 

My personal guess, I don't think there was ever a real chance of a Burnes (Especially not after his 2020 rebound, or after whenever it was he hired Boras) or Contreras extension. Or rather, I'm sure they like it enough here to be happy to sign a market value extension, or slightly less. But not enough to go for a Peralta/Acuña type of thing, i.e the kind of thing the Brewers would offer. Woodruff and Adames at least on the surface seem more plausible to me. 

[Matt]

If Misi wants to sign an extension that pays him like a solid reliever, go ahead and sign him. 

Not a chance in hell I'd be signing him to contract that pays him like a starter. That's stupid.

[BrewerFan]

On 6/25/2025 at 10:56 AM, Playing Catch said:

This is correct. That's one thing with Freddy and Ashby. They were both more polished players when they extended, giving the Brewers confidence in their floors as 26-man pitchers. Misiorowski could totally flame out, suddenly spraying 103 at guy's skulls, and the Brewers suddenly needing to pay him to play in Nashville for 8 years.

I'm NOT predicting such an outcome, I'm actually quite bullish on Les Miz seeing what we've seen this season, including in Nashville. But I think that the performance-risk with an extension for him is still quite real.

Sure, there's always risk. I just trust the Brewers and how they develop pitching...and there are two sides to that I suppose. If you trust them, they'll keep churning out good pitchers.

BUT it's also rare you get a guy like Misiorowski's stuff. 

I think the chances that he's not at LEAST a really good reliever is pretty low. 

[BrewerFan]

On 7/4/2025 at 8:31 AM, Lathund said:

I think the "Brewers didn't make an offer" thing is somewhat of a semantic issue. If they were interested in an extension with Peralta and Ashby, there is no reason to think they weren't interested in one with Woodruff or Burnes. Yes, we don't *know* this, but I can't believe any front office in the league that wouldn't have signed those guys to the Peralta deal if they could. 

Teams talk to agents all the time, they will for sure have gauged their level of interest in an extension, and gotten a rough idea of what it'd take. If that doesn't at all line up with what the team was looking at, there isn't any point in making an offer. Doesn't mean they didn't try.

Those guys both said they weren't offered extensions. That's all I can be sure of.  With the exception of Burnes saying the Brewers offered him a 2-year deal to avoid arbitration his final two years when the Brewers actually went to arbitration with him... he was pretty open by saying he and the Brewers had had zero talks of an extension. Not after the 2020 season, not after the Cy Young season. He said it multiple times before he got closer to Free Agency and then I think 2023 said effectively the Brewers couldn't afford to extend him...which by that time it was obvious. 

 

18 hours ago, Matt said:

If Misi wants to sign an extension that pays him like a solid reliever, go ahead and sign him. 

Not a chance in hell I'd be signing him to contract that pays him like a starter. That's stupid.

That's like saying if Chourio wants an extension that pays him as a DH. He's not a reliever. He's a starter. He's been a starter save for the end of last year when he was moved to the pen at the very end of the year.

 

I guess we'll find out if it's "stupid" or not to try and extend a starting pitcher rather than...not. 

[rickh150]

The PPI extra draft pick should have nothing to do with breaking opening day with the club….takes some incentive away from actually winning it.

[rickh150]

On 6/25/2025 at 8:33 AM, BrewerFan said:

Actually, you started out by saying, "I’m sure it is now table stakes for MLB teams to offer their premier pre-arbitration eligible players contract extensions," which infers you're guessing(which...of coure you are as we have no idea) and NOW you're just stating it as a fact.   

Either way, I'm talking about the Brewers doing it early. 

Now with Chourio, I said I thought they'd do it almost immediately when the MLB season started...I didn't think it'd come before the season started, but do the Dodgers do it? The Yankees?

A lot of these teams either don't or they wait until a player has established themselves as elite. 

We made no offer to Burnes, Woodruff, Adames, Contreras...according to all of them. 

 

SOME teams do it. The Braves certainly do. Cleveland from time to time. Beyond that, VERY few teams would do this a few months in to team control. 

I would personally be more aggressive and far exceed the Peralta, Ashby offers as... he's just such a unique talent...

I fear there is a reason most 98+ mph guy are relievers. The number of throws at that velocity, along with the very hard off speed stuff, leaves me not wanting to go long term here unless he wants to get set with a very team friendly deal.  

They have him for 6 or 7 years til he’s 30ish anyways….paying little until 2029.

[Brewer77]

On 7/6/2025 at 6:34 PM, rickh150 said:

The PPI extra draft pick should have nothing to do with breaking opening day with the club….takes some incentive away from actually winning it.

Maybe they could move it a couple weeks into April, but any later kinda defeats the purpose of the incentive

[BrewerFan]

3 hours ago, rickh150 said:

I fear there is a reason most 98+ mph guy are relievers. The number of throws at that velocity, along with the very hard off speed stuff, leaves me not wanting to go long term here unless he wants to get set with a very team friendly deal.  

They have him for 6 or 7 years til he’s 30ish anyways….paying little until 2029.

Being abnormally talented with big velocity isn't a reason to move a guy to the pen...otherwise Skubal throws triple digits, deGrom, Randy Johnson(the last two are both pretty good comps for him)...Hunter Greene...who signed an extension that could be used as a jumping off point. 

deGrom because his delivery and stuff look most similar, Johnson because he was a young guy who threw hard and was a bit wild at times. 

You can't eliminate the risk, but you can mitigate it. If he needs TJ, you're losing two years... and that could happen to anyone, anytime. Power arm, soft tosser. Miley and Gasser are the last two guys who needed TJ from the Brewers. 

 

He has 4 NASTY pitches... we can let the season play out, but I'd do it at that point. 6/75+2 TOs at 20 or 25. 

But...that's just me. I'm also not worried about him becoming a reliever with 4 pitches and if he does, I think he'll be an elite one. 

I thik the only real risk would be injury, but he's got such upside, I'd be willing to overpay early on to keep THAT type of talent around when he'd otherwise price himself out of Milwaukee...2, maybe 3 years in.