Pirates at Brewers; Monday, June 23 @ 6:40 p.m.: Chad Patrick (3.50 ERA, 3.59 FIP) vs. B. Ashcraft (1.54 ERA)

[treego14]

[treego14]

CP > BA !!!

That's all I have to say !!!

[Brian]

MLB Power Ranking are such a sham when they use "expert opinions, team vibe, sports writers opinions and subjective assessments" from east and west coast "experts" to create the list.  Just another "Big City team PR push," by the MLB and media. 

I always thought it was some type of mathematical formula, but that would make all things fair. 

[Frisbee Slider]

2 hours ago, Brian said:

MLB Power Ranking are such a sham

You’re right. At the same time, every team ahead of Milwaukee has more wins other than the Rays.

The Brewers narrative in 2025 is what is always is: ‘how can this team be this good?’

[Team Canada]

3 hours ago, Brian said:

MLB Power Ranking are such a sham when they use "expert opinions, team vibe, sports writers opinions and subjective assessments" from east and west coast "experts" to create the list.  Just another "Big City team PR push," by the MLB and media. 

I always thought it was some type of mathematical formula, but that would make all things fair. 

1. They roughly are the same as if you just sort all teams by winning %.
2. If it was just that, what would even be the point?
3. If it was some formula, it wouldn't be an article to publish and get eyeballs.
4. Instead of just complaining about how it's a sham, what exactly is your problem with it specifically? Where is it wronging the Brewers?

[Underachiever]

Since the opening week slaughter in the Bronx, the Brewers are a half-game better than the Yankees (43-32 to 42-32). Who saw that happening?

And of course, 22-10 since the Cribbage board game. A friend suggested the cribbage board giveaway was this year's Harvey Kuenn moment.

[Brian]

2 hours ago, Team Canada said:

If it was some formula, it wouldn't be an article to publish and get eyeballs.

Instead of just complaining about how it's a sham, what exactly is your problem with it specifically? Where is it wronging the Brewers?

Why wouldn't it get eyeballs if it were a formula?  

You answered your own question why it's a sham you said Big cities = More Eyeballs, the larger city's  take president even with umpires in games, we just seen it happen against the Cubs when Murphy refused to talk about it or he would be subject to fine.  Another problem with it is that the larger payrolls, larger markets are more likely to get the higher rankings, equals higher viewership = more $$$ for MLB. 

You asked specifically what my problems are: partisan media outlets from the east and west coast "experts" create the list. My point is were one of the black sheeps of the MLB only because we're a small market. 

[Playing Catch]

Pittsburgh - Colorado - Mets - Dodgers - Nationals. That's the upcoming schedule. Split with the Dodgers/Mets and sweep the other three. Time to make some hay.

6 minutes ago, Brian said:

Why wouldn't it get eyeballs if it were a formula?  

You answered your own question why it's a sham you said Big cities = More Eyeballs, the larger city's  take president even with umpires in games, we just seen it happen against the Cubs when Murphy refused to talk about it or he would be subject to fine.  Another problem with it is that the larger payrolls, larger markets are more likely to get the higher rankings, equals higher viewership = more $$$ for MLB. 

You asked specifically what my problems are: partisan media outlets from the east and west coast "experts" create the list. My point is were one of the black sheeps of the MLB only because we're a small market. 

Instead of imagining a league with 30 equal opportunities for ownership groups to compete, like the NFL, imagine baseball as a competition between millions and millions of baseball fans across the country.

Why are Milwaukee's say, 5 million fans, JUST as important as the 50 million Yankees fans, or 100 million Dodger fans?

[Team Canada]

12 minutes ago, Brian said:

You asked specifically what my problems are: partisan media outlets from the east and west coast "experts" create the list. My point is were one of the black sheeps of the MLB only because we're a small market. 

You are complaining about experts picking the list but you're not offering any examples of how Milwaukee is so wronged by these rankings.

As was noted above, every team ahead of Milwaukee has more wins other than the Rays. Where exactly is this big market bias showing up?

[Jim French Stepstool]

I expect Pittsburgh to be their usual pain in the arse. Fouling off tough pitches, lengthy ABs, putting the ball in play. Adam Frazier--upon seeing a Brewer uniform--closing his eyes, swinging, and finding a hole virtually every time.

It's great to see the bottom 3 spots in the order doing so well. That's often the difference between scoring a few runs-or less-and putting up large numbers. That's the nicest thing about the road trip. A couple times where we didn't get the mound performance we're used to but still won the game.

Haase has to catch either tonight or tomorrow, right?

[Brian]

44 minutes ago, Team Canada said:

You are complaining about experts picking the list but you're not offering any examples of how Milwaukee is so wronged by these rankings.

As was noted above, every team ahead of Milwaukee has more wins other than the Rays. Where exactly is this big market bias showing up?

Well you right it is all subjective because I just seen this one where the Brewers are ranked 8th.  The first one I looked at they were ranked 11th that's the one I had issues with. 

 https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-power-rankings-never-count-out-the-astros-while-tigers-maintain-their-spot-atop-the-league/

[treego14]

1 hour ago, Playing Catch said:

Instead of imagining a league with 30 equal opportunities for ownership groups to compete, like the NFL, imagine baseball as a competition between millions and millions of baseball fans across the country.

Why are Milwaukee's say, 5 million fans, JUST as important as the 50 million Yankees fans, or 100 million Dodger fans?

Let's just shut down the league altogether and have one team ... TEAM USA!

Then we can have 300 million fans!

We can then whip our enemies on the baseball field then instead of using bombs!

The time has come!

Come on, Rob Manfred and Players Union and Owners!

Do it for all the fans!

We are all equally important now!

[Team Canada]

2 hours ago, Brian said:

The first one I looked at they were ranked 11th that's the one I had issues with. 

Why? What specifically are you objecting to? If you sort by straight win%, they are 10th. You're still not able to articulate what the actual problem is.

[Playing Catch]

2 hours ago, treego14 said:

Let's just shut down the league altogether and have one team ... TEAM USA!

Then we can have 300 million fans!

We can then whip our enemies on the baseball field then instead of using bombs!

The time has come!

Come on, Rob Manfred and Players Union and Owners!

Do it for all the fans!

We are all equally important now!

Hahaha, for the record, I DO believe in Big City Bias and I don't like it, either, but pausing to remember all of those 8-year old kids growing up in the Bronx and loving the Yankees perhaps gives me some perspective.

[Brian]

4 hours ago, Playing Catch said:

Pittsburgh - Colorado - Mets - Dodgers - Nationals. That's the upcoming schedule. Split with the Dodgers/Mets and sweep the other three. Time to make some hay.

Instead of imagining a league with 30 equal opportunities for ownership groups to compete, like the NFL, imagine baseball as a competition between millions and millions of baseball fans across the country.

Why are Milwaukee's say, 5 million fans, JUST as important as the 50 million Yankees fans, or 100 million Dodger fans?

I don't think they are just as important to the MLB because of revenue. 

[Brian]

1 hour ago, Team Canada said:

Why? What specifically are you objecting to? If you sort by straight win%, they are 10th. You're still not able to articulate what the actual problem is.

The problem is there's not a standard formula when it involves rankings. Your rankings are different than mine and and different than MLB and CBS, ESPN etc, etc, etc.  There all just BS el crapola opinions that favor big markets IMHO. 

[Brian]

1 hour ago, Team Canada said:

Why? What specifically are you objecting to? If you sort by straight win%, they are 10th. You're still not able to articulate what the actual problem is.

If you sort by strength, why are they all different?  Geez, I go to the dentist, comeback and have more hate mail than Hank Aaron when he hit #715. 

[brewerfan82]

12 minutes ago, Brian said:

The problem is there's not a standard formula when it involves rankings. Your rankings are different than mine and and different than MLB and CBS, ESPN etc, etc, etc.  There all just BS el crapola opinions that favor big markets IMHO. 

I'm curious on this as well. Maybe power rankings just aren't what you're looking for as the idea of them is that they do take into consideration opinions beyond team records and statistics, such as injuries, breakout prospects, team momentum, players they expect to play better the rest of the season, etc. I'm sure there is some big market bias that comes along with that, but is that being demonstrated currently with the rankings you've seen? Is there a big market team with a worse record ranked higher than the Brewers? And if not, who do you think we should be ranked ahead of and why?

All that said, if you want more statistically driven rankings, there are some fun options over at FanGraphs Playoff Odds page: https://www.fangraphs.com/standings/playoff-odds/fg/mlb

Their default "FanGraphs" projection mode I think is based on ZiPS projections, but you can switch to have projections based on other projection modes like Season-to-Date stats as well.

That said, the reason power rankings can be fun is if a writer believes the Brewers just brought up their own "Paul Skenes" with Jacob Misiorowski, you might see them jump up in the their power rankings to reflect that, whereas stat-based rankings aren't going to jump on that band wagon as quickly.

[Playing Catch]

36 minutes ago, Brian said:

I don't think they are just as important to the MLB because of revenue. 

100%

THAT'S why I'm comfortable adjusting my happiness with the Brewers based more on regular season success than on playoff results; because the alternative is that Attanasio and MLB ultimately decide it's not worth it to have a franchise in lil' ol' MKE, and instead decide to move it to Vancouver, or something. I'd much rather celebrate an NL Central banner like I would celebrate a Rose Bowl, than to constantly be disappointed they can't compete at the level of the World Series champions.

[Brian]

7 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

100%

THAT'S why I'm comfortable adjusting my happiness with the Brewers based more on regular season success than on playoff results; because the alternative is that Attanasio and MLB ultimately decide it's not worth it to have a franchise in lil' ol' MKE, and instead decide to move it to Vancouver, or something. I'd much rather celebrate an NL Central banner like I would celebrate a Rose Bowl, than to constantly be disappointed they can't compete at the level of the World Series champions.

Your right, who has a AAA team in a city larger than there major league city besides Milwaukee? 

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2025/05/23/why-everyone-is-moving-to-nashville.html#:~:text=Nashville%2C Tennessee has seen rapid,average between 2020 and 2024.

 

[jay87shot]

Wednesday Matchup of the year.

Skenes vs The Miz 1:10 central

I don't think my wife will let me drive 5 hours for the game but it would be worth it.

[TURBO]

3 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

Wednesday Matchup of the year.

Skenes vs The Miz 1:10 central

I don't think my wife will let me drive 5 hours for the game but it would be worth it.

You lost me at "your wife won't let you..."

C'mon man...

[torts]

Did something change?  I'm able to watch the game tonight on MLB app, which has always been blacked out.  

[torts]

24 minutes ago, TURBO said:

You lost me at "your wife won't let you..."

C'mon man...

Happy wife, happy life

[Gump]

49 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

Wednesday Matchup of the year.

Skenes vs The Miz 1:10 central

I don't think my wife will let me drive 5 hours for the game but it would be worth it.

Yeah. I’m pissed off I’m going to be at work and miss it.