Packers 2025 regular season

[CheezWizHed]

11 hours ago, JosephC said:

Sorry, the Walker that Packers had talked about an extension with was Quay Walker, not Rasheed Walker.  My fault, I should have been more specific.  If there has been stuff in the media about the Packers discussing a deal with Rasheed Walker, that would be news I have not heard.

Ah.  The "Tom and Walker" comment had me thinking OL.  Depending on how Hopper looks this year (he looked great in preseason)... it wouldn't shock me to see them let Walker leave.  He is a highly athletic LB, but has his warts.  Plus, the downside of getting Parsons is that there will be some tough decisions to make on other extensions. 

3 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

That and he has health questions with the knee(and by the way, might have slipped your mind, but Tom was extended for like 4/84 that could be 4/92).

I think the 4/100 is probably a pretty reasonable ask from Walker. I also think it's why they have been planning ahead on the OL and made the moves they've made make even more sense in hindsight.

I think Tom will be LT or RT. I don't think it matters. Where did Parsons lineup all week? 

So LT, RT... Morgan, Belton... who looked pretty damn good in a few snaps. Better than Morgan IMO, but once you get Morgan at one position(OT) I think he'll look quite a bit better. He's moving from OT, to LF, RG. I understand Tom got injured, but too much "positional versatility" in game is... not a good thing. 

It's gonna be really important that we find a way to hit on some of these picks this year. The following year I think we'll be looking at... probably a couple 3rd rd picks. I'll guess we get one from Walker(if Banks gets 77M in FA, Walker probably gets 100M on the scroll, but I'd guess 4/100 35GTD, but in reality closer to the 4/100, though...light on the GTD money. Doubs... again, these contracts are so wild, but he could get 15M AAV assuming the cap gets to 300M as I expect it to(as most expect it to despite modest projections year after year). 

You probably get a comp pick for Malik Willis.
Sean Rhyan...I'm starting to think he's back, but if not, he's become a surprisingly good Guard with positional versatility(C/G). 38th in pass blocking grades by PFF. About the same as Aaron Banks.

I'll say 2 3rds, and 2 5ths in 2026... unless we get Watson back this year and then trade Doubs in-season...which is possible to me if Wicks can catch the ball again, Watson comes back, Reed stays healthy, Kraft, Musgrave, Savion Williams... if they're healthy or looking good, I wouldn't rule out a trade for a 3rd rd pick to a team that really needs one. 

 

Well, I only bet on certainties!  Yeah, I completely forgot that we took care of Tom. Parson fever took over!

[BrewerFan]

3 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

Ah.  The "Tom and Walker" comment had me thinking OL.  Depending on how Hopper looks this year (he looked great in preseason)... it wouldn't shock me to see them let Walker leave.  He is a highly athletic LB, but has his warts.  Plus, the downside of getting Parsons is that there will be some tough decisions to make on other extensions. 

On the first part... I'm skeptical, but I didn't watch much, so I'll reserve judgement... or defer to those of you who did watch him.

On the 2nd part, I probably need to adjust my expectation a bit. Yes, they said they wanted to keep Quay, but... you sign contracts like that, you DO need to make tough decisions. Or... again, you could say "screw it, we're just going to keep kicking the can down the road." I'd imagine we do a bit of both these next 5-6 years through Love's prime. 

I just got off the phone with my old man, I love watching the games with him or talking to him and he said he thinks this could be the best Packers team he's seen(he saw the late 60s teams, but he was young), but I started to say, "eh, maybe we should slow down on this defense, this team," and then I thought... 'nah, screw it, this team IS that talented. 

It wouldn't shock me to see Walker leave, especially with Cooper and he may price himself out of GB with how free he should be running around this defense. If THAT game was Parson's "struggling" vs the run... he stood Sewell up and force Gibbs outside for a 6 yard loss. On other plays they needed two to block him and Quay and Cooper were running around like they had red jersey's on. NOW that energy, speed and size of Quay's becomes more valuable. 

 

4 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

Well, I only bet on certainties!  Yeah, I completely forgot that we took care of Tom. Parson fever took over!

LOL... it's understandable! 

[CheezWizHed]

5 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

On the first part... I'm skeptical, but I didn't watch much, so I'll reserve judgement... or defer to those of you who did watch him.

On the 2nd part, I probably need to adjust my expectation a bit. Yes, they said they wanted to keep Quay, but... you sign contracts like that, you DO need to make tough decisions. Or... again, you could say "screw it, we're just going to keep kicking the can down the road." I'd imagine we do a bit of both these next 5-6 years through Love's prime. 

I just got off the phone with my old man, I love watching the games with him or talking to him and he said he thinks this could be the best Packers team he's seen(he saw the late 60s teams, but he was young), but I started to say, "eh, maybe we should slow down on this defense, this team," and then I thought... 'nah, screw it, this team IS that talented. 

It wouldn't shock me to see Walker leave, especially with Cooper and he may price himself out of GB with how free he should be running around this defense. If THAT game was Parson's "struggling" vs the run... he stood Sewell up and force Gibbs outside for a 6 yard loss. On other plays they needed two to block him and Quay and Cooper were running around like they had red jersey's on. NOW that energy, speed and size of Quay's becomes more valuable. 

 

LOL... it's understandable! 

Hopper: It was preseason... so the obvious caveats are there.  But it looked like Hopper was cut loose from whatever was holding him back last year (thinking too much?).  He was seriously fast and moved around the OL really well.  Frankly, he reminded me of Quay (without getting tied up blocks).  He was in on a ton of tackles... similar to what we saw week 1 from the defense - everyone was gang tackling.  

Obviously, he needs to transfer that to the regular games too... but I did see one writer speculate if Hopper might replace McDuffie in the starting lineup soon.   We will see....

[BrewerFan]

29 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

Hopper: It was preseason... so the obvious caveats are there.  But it looked like Hopper was cut loose from whatever was holding him back last year (thinking too much?).  He was seriously fast and moved around the OL really well.  Frankly, he reminded me of Quay (without getting tied up blocks).  He was in on a ton of tackles... similar to what we saw week 1 from the defense - everyone was gang tackling.  

Obviously, he needs to transfer that to the regular games too... but I did see one writer speculate if Hopper might replace McDuffie in the starting lineup soon.   We will see....

That'd be great. He could hit dudes... he didn't always wrap up in College, but he brought that hit stick with him.

And I wouldn't have thought he could get of blocks or be a 4-3 Mike, but that's going back to Missou, so... if he brings that physical element and Hafley's had time to coach him up.  

The more young guys we can find who can contribute...obviously that's huge. Speaking of which... Eric Wilson looked like a very good LBer for the Vikings again. Blocked a punt and was all over on STs and defense.... at least vs the run. Not that it's relevant, just... it's easy to root for guys like that. 

[CheezWizHed]

13 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

That'd be great. He could hit dudes... he didn't always wrap up in College, but he brought that hit stick with him.

And I wouldn't have thought he could get of blocks or be a 4-3 Mike, but that's going back to Missou, so... if he brings that physical element and Hafley's had time to coach him up.  

The more young guys we can find who can contribute...obviously that's huge. Speaking of which... Eric Wilson looked like a very good LBer for the Vikings again. Blocked a punt and was all over on STs and defense.... at least vs the run. Not that it's relevant, just... it's easy to root for guys like that. 

Yeah, I saw that about Wilson too... except he was back with the Vikings, so I was missing him, but not cheering for him. 😉

[BrewerFan]

I've watched this guy a couple of times... and it's a REALLY good breakdown of the Packers-Commanders game...

 

 

 

[CheezWizHed]

Sounds like Kraft's knee injury wasn't serious, but still questionable if he will play Sunday or not. 

And "questionable" is just me using normal English... not sure how he is listed on the injury designation

[HarryDoyle]

19 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

Sounds like Kraft's knee injury wasn't serious, but still questionable if he will play Sunday or not. 

And "questionable" is just me using normal English... not sure how he is listed on the injury designation

Questionable in the injury designation means definitely playing.

[BrewerFan]

27 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

Questionable in the injury designation means definitely playing.

For the Packers? I'd actually be curious how many "questionable" designations have not played for us the last 3-4 years...

For everyone else... for sure. For Kraft, I think it's closer to playing. Maybe it was just week after week with Bahk and Jaire. 

[HarryDoyle]

Just now, BrewerFan said:

For the Packers? I'd actually be curious how many "questionable" designations have not played for us the last 3-4 years...

For everyone else... for sure. For Kraft, I think it's closer to playing. Maybe it was just week after week with Bahk and Jaire. 

For every team.

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

For every team.

The point I was making is the Packers are more conservative, but... they've had several guys listed as questionable going into the game not play this year. Just 3 last week out of... 5 or 6 on the report, Tom, Banks, and Anderson. Hobbs the week before and it looks likely Tom sits out another week.

Hawk in particular has spoken of how conservative the Packers have been along with Rodgers with the no Toradol shots. But outside that, their medical staff is generally considered among the most conservative in the league.

 

But maybe you're right. Maybe it's just high profile players we're waiting on to get back... 

[JosephC]

Anybody buying the latest media hype that Romeo Doubs is next in line for an extension.

I am pretty skeptical of these reports.

There is the behavioral issues, along with the concussion issues.  And after Doubs big 3 touchdown game, he still has a grand total of 179 receiving yards over 4 games which pro-rates to 760 yards over a 17 game season.  That would be his best seasonal output by a notable margin, and would put his 2023-2025 average at 678 yards.

Add in the fact that the Packers have Reed, Watson, Golden, Williams, Wicks all under contract for 2026, a lack of draft picks and cap space is starting to become limited. 

Seems to me like Doubs would be bottom of the list.

[CheezWizHed]

3 hours ago, JosephC said:

Anybody buying the latest media hype that Romeo Doubs is next in line for an extension.

I am pretty skeptical of these reports.

There is the behavioral issues, along with the concussion issues.  And after Doubs big 3 touchdown game, he still has a grand total of 179 receiving yards over 4 games which pro-rates to 760 yards over a 17 game season.  That would be his best seasonal output by a notable margin, and would put his 2023-2025 average at 678 yards.

Add in the fact that the Packers have Reed, Watson, Golden, Williams, Wicks all under contract for 2026, a lack of draft picks and cap space is starting to become limited. 

Seems to me like Doubs would be bottom of the list.

Right now when Love NEEDS a reception... he most often goes to Doubs.  I have my Doubs doubts due to concussion, but he is still the best outside WR we have right now... 

[LouisEly]

They gave a big (at the time) extension to Davante Adams after he got a serious concussion on a blatant head-hunt from a Bears linebacker.

I know that Doubs has had multiple concussions, but I don't believe that either was as bad as the hit that Adams took.  That being said, the science is starting to show that it's more about quantity of concussions.

The fact that they have fewer draft picks over the next two years is all the more reason to extend him, one less position that they need to plan for.  Remember that 3/$30M is basically baseline for any FA WR now, and pretty much all NFL contracts are structured to be 2-year contracts if need be.

[BrewerFan]

13 hours ago, JosephC said:

There is the behavioral issues, along with the concussion issues.  And after Doubs big 3 touchdown game, he still has a grand total of 179 receiving yards over 4 games which pro-rates to 760 yards over a 17 game season.  That would be his best seasonal output by a notable margin, and would put his 2023-2025 average at 678 yards.

Looking at targets can help explain why the Packers don't often have a WR with big numbers. 

The Packers top WR last year was Wicks. He was about 100 shy of guys like Chase and Nabers. 

7 hours ago, LouisEly said:

Remember that 3/$30M is basically baseline for any FA WR now, and pretty much all NFL contracts are structured to be 2-year contracts if need be.

I would think we're closer to 15M a year for Doubs with the extension Khalil Shakir just signed. 

I would also think the organization would want a discount and Doubs may not be inclined to give him one. 

 

I don't see any reason to rush this now. We're 4 games in. Wicks has looked really good and may be had for cheaper. For both Doubs and Wicks it comes down to drops. I'd let him play it out. One of the few times I'd rather pay him more later than get locked in now. 

I also think it's all but a given Kraft will be extended and I think it'll be a top of the market type deal. 4 years 75M, roll his final year into that, probably 30M as a SB. Watson already signed an extension, albeit a modest one, so that shouldn't impact the amount we can spend too much, it'd be the potential extension after that would be. 

 

Doubs has good hands, a nice quick release. I'm not as concerned with the concussions. The Guardian cap seems to be working(I'd really love to see them become mandatory and am glad to see Williams wearing one). So if they could get him to sign a 4 year deal for 60M and keep the SB under 25M... it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world... but with the entire WRing/TE core back next year with the exception of Doubs, I'm... kinda indifferent on re-signing him. 

 

I think our OL is a bigger concern. 

The only guy who really jumps out is Linderbaum... he would likely require 20M+ AAV and being he'll be on the open market... 5/110 and 50M SB. You could just kinda swap Jenkins for him, but he's most of a dominant run blocker... and in a zone blocking scheme that we've been using less and less. Pass protection is just alright for him. 

I really wish we could see Morgan play at LT. He seems like a different player there. There's a level of comfort, he moves SO well, but he lacks the physicality to play OG the way we're playing now.

The effort to get the best 5 out there may actually be hurting at this point. Morgan is not very good at RG/RT or LG for that matter. Belton has been good when he's played, but he's also been injury prone.

As of now, our OL next year projects to be Morgan/Banks/?/Belton/Tom. Maybe they restructure Jenkins, but a quarter of the way through the season and I don't really know what this unit looks like together. Belton is really promising(he MAY even stick at RT which would allow Tom to move over to the left, but then again, you're kinda wasting another year of Morgan. 

We don't really have a problem scheming WRs open. 

Wicks- Release and YAC are both good. His hands have been up and down. He still reminds me of Adams... in terms of body control and the trajectory of their career. I don't think anyone would expect him to have the same peak. 

Watson -He's been easily the most valuable WR we've had... but injuries are a concern. They did seem like an area he's finally addressed with his trip to Madison to address the soft tissue injuries. But when he's on the field... he creates openings for everyone else. 

Reed-He's similar to Doubs in that he's very good at making contested catches, but he's also just used differently. 

Golden gets open. He's 4 weeks in, but he looks like... at least a capable WR and I think he's going to settle in and start hitting the big plays. 

 

So Doubs has been the main X WR so far, in this case, I'd prefer to let the season play out, see Watson and Reed back healthy and see what this full group of WRs looks like. 

If you had a WRing core of Watson, Reed, Wicks, Golden with our TEs...I just think that's a really solid group and not the best use of our diminishing resources until he proves he can put together a full season. 

[HarryDoyle]

Christian Watson back at practice.

No return date set, but Christian Watson felt '100 percent' in first practice since ACL tear - Yahoo Sports

[CheezWizHed]

15 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

Christian Watson back at practice.

No return date set, but Christian Watson felt '100 percent' in first practice since ACL tear - Yahoo Sports

I don't think I would bring him back against the Bengals.  Let him get some practice in...get a bit more conditioning with practice reps and bring him in a week later.  

Doesn't seem to be much news out of practice other than who is practicing.  Would be nice to get our OL back to 100% - or at least close.  Getting Tom and Belton back (depth) would be great.  And since we spend money on Banks, actually seeing him play would be nice... but I suspect the delta between Banks and Morgan isn't that high. 

[young guns]

I would like to think we don't need watson against this Bengals team that has looked abysmal, Flacco or no Flacco.  So letting him get a couple weeks of practice before easing him next week, assuming no set backs and he ls ready, would be ok with me.

[HarryDoyle]

1 hour ago, CheezWizHed said:

I don't think I would bring him back against the Bengals.  Let him get some practice in...get a bit more conditioning with practice reps and bring him in a week later.  

Doesn't seem to be much news out of practice other than who is practicing.  Would be nice to get our OL back to 100% - or at least close.  Getting Tom and Belton back (depth) would be great.  And since we spend money on Banks, actually seeing him play would be nice... but I suspect the delta between Banks and Morgan isn't that high. 

He isn’t eligible to play for another three weeks.

[CheezWizHed]

19 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

He isn’t eligible to play for another three weeks.

He has a three week window to be activated.  That means they must activate him after three weeks (or put him on season ending IR), but they can activate him anytime in that window.

[LouisEly]

I wonder if the Saints are open for business.  They have two veteran DT in Davon Godchaux and Nathan Shepherd who could help with the interior run defense.  

That, or Harrison Phillips from the Jets.  Maybe one of them could be had straight up for Warren Brinson.

[BrewerFan]

5 hours ago, LouisEly said:

I wonder if the Saints are open for business.  They have two veteran DT in Davon Godchaux and Nathan Shepherd who could help with the interior run defense.  

That, or Harrison Phillips from the Jets.  Maybe one of them could be had straight up for Warren Brinson.

The Saints almost have to be open. They've got... really nothing on that roster that's built for the future.

Alontae Taylor is a CB I'd definitely be interested in as well as Shephard or Godchaux, Phillips from the Jets would be great, or someone like Shelby Harris, the Milwaukee native from the Browns. I'd include Ward, but I think THEY think they can compete in the near future, so doubt they trade him(he also hasn't been good with the Browns, so... if he's not good with that front...). 
Marlon Humphrey would be someone MAYBE worth taking a flier on. The Ravens are likely going to overhaul the CB room next year. 

 

Our Run D has been elite thus far... but so has our pass defense on paper(4th best vs the run, best vs the past in average yards per route).. but a couple area's we could clean up. 

Ronald McCreary from the Titans would be preferable, but I'd imagine they'd want to re-sign him. 

Kingsley Enagbare is one name I've seen suggested the Packers could trade. Especially with how well Barryn Sorrell looks in pretty limited snaps(hasn't put up any real numbers, but he's physical and is disruptive).

 

My main issue is the OL... but, I don't think you can update the OL until the off-season, so gotta figure out a way to get them more reliable and Love more comfortable. Might have been better off just tanking in 2023 when we had a chance to take Joe Alt.

 

....if only

2021 NFL draft. 
RD 2
#62-Josh Myrers
#63-Creed Humphrey

Rd3
#85 Amari Rodgers
#98 Quinn Meinerz

RD6
#214-Cole Van Lannen
#224-Trey Smith

That was also the Royce Newman draft. 

Not taking Humphrey was just a bad decision then and there. 
The other two is totally revisionist history(though everyone WAS high on Meinerz). 

If they'd JUST taken Creed over Myers, you'd have the top Center in the game. 
If you'd have taken Meinerz, you've be spending your money on a 1st team AP instead of Aaron Banks.
That'd be 1st team AP at C, G, 3rd team AP at RT.

Morgan/Jenkins/Humphrey/Meinerz/Tom

 

There's really no point to this other than I had some salt and decided to pour it in that wound... but that's not where we're at... and we've done alright with Tom in the 4th rd and Jenkins has been playing much better as the season has gone on.

 

[Strike4]

8 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

The Saints almost have to be open. They've got... really nothing on that roster that's built for the future.

Alontae Taylor is a CB I'd definitely be interested in as well as Shephard or Godchaux, Phillips from the Jets would be great, or someone like Shelby Harris, the Milwaukee native from the Browns. I'd include Ward, but I think THEY think they can compete in the near future, so doubt they trade him(he also hasn't been good with the Browns, so... if he's not good with that front...). 
Marlon Humphrey would be someone MAYBE worth taking a flier on. The Ravens are likely going to overhaul the CB room next year. 

 

Our Run D has been elite thus far... but so has our pass defense on paper(4th best vs the run, best vs the past in average yards per route).. but a couple area's we could clean up. 

Ronald McCreary from the Titans would be preferable, but I'd imagine they'd want to re-sign him. 

Kingsley Enagbare is one name I've seen suggested the Packers could trade. Especially with how well Barryn Sorrell looks in pretty limited snaps(hasn't put up any real numbers, but he's physical and is disruptive).

 

My main issue is the OL... but, I don't think you can update the OL until the off-season, so gotta figure out a way to get them more reliable and Love more comfortable. Might have been better off just tanking in 2023 when we had a chance to take Joe Alt.

 

....if only

2021 NFL draft. 
RD 2
#62-Josh Myrers
#63-Creed Humphrey

Rd3
#85 Amari Rodgers
#98 Quinn Meinerz

RD6
#214-Cole Van Lannen
#224-Trey Smith

That was also the Royce Newman draft. 

Not taking Humphrey was just a bad decision then and there. 
The other two is totally revisionist history(though everyone WAS high on Meinerz). 

If they'd JUST taken Creed over Myers, you'd have the top Center in the game. 
If you'd have taken Meinerz, you've be spending your money on a 1st team AP instead of Aaron Banks.
That'd be 1st team AP at C, G, 3rd team AP at RT.

Morgan/Jenkins/Humphrey/Meinerz/Tom

 

There's really no point to this other than I had some salt and decided to pour it in that wound... but that's not where we're at... and we've done alright with Tom in the 4th rd and Jenkins has been playing much better as the season has gone on.

 

Could have also had Nico Collins a couple of picks after Amari Rodgers 

[CheezWizHed]

A trade deadline CB would be interesting.  Not sure what quality would be available, but someone over Valentine and able to challenge Hobbs as the starter would be nice.  I swear Valentine has gotten worse each year.  He still make big plays, but then gets burnt on the next.  Nixon is fine - an average starting CB, but an upgrade on the other side would be nice.  Perhaps Hobbs improves as he get acclimated to the system (lost a lot of time due to injury), but depth is still needed. 

On DT, I thought Brinson played pretty well last week.  Wooden and Wyatt have been surprisingly strong.  Brooks has been up and down.  Would like to see Brinson for a week or two more before saying it is a need.  But even if he is strong, replacing Stackhouse wouldn't be a bad idea. 

For trade outs, I think Enegbare would be a good choice.  You have both Barryn and Cox that can fill the fourth DE. Maybe a player-for-player swap would be possible?

[OldHeidelberg]

1 hour ago, CheezWizHed said:

A trade deadline CB would be interesting.  Not sure what quality would be available