Game 14: Packers @ Broncos - Sunday, Dec. 14th @ 3:25 PM

[OldHeidelberg]

9 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I'd settle for choking the game away and no one being hurt. Before yesterday I thought we were one of a handful of teams that all had about a 15% chance of winning the Super Bowl. It was unlikely we would, but we were in the mix with some lucky breaks. Today feels very similar to the Monday after an overtime playoff loss.

I felt that way going to bed last night but not so bad this morning. Like adambr2 said above there is still a path if the offense can really get hot. Not very likely but if Watson is back it certainly helps that. Just beat the Bears Saturday and get a home playoff game.  

[tmwiese55]

12 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I'd settle for choking the game away and no one being hurt. Before yesterday I thought we were one of a handful of teams that all had about a 15% chance of winning the Super Bowl. It was unlikely we would, but we were in the mix with some lucky breaks. Today feels very similar to the Monday after an overtime playoff loss.

There has been a lot of chatter about that play, myself included. But the morning after, it's hard to fault going to your best WR downfield, 1 on 1, for a knockout blow. The play was there, too. A yard or so more and that's a pass Watson can catch. Just awful luck, yet again.

Yea didn't mean it as a blame.  Just the luck of it all.   They could've called countless plays on that 1st down, the one they happen to choose ended with this timeline.  There's multiple other timelines that lead to them winning that game and possibly the SB.

Once the play is called, throwing it up one on one seemed fine, though I don't recall seeing a wider view on other receivers to really know much.  But one on one there was probably the right choice of where to go with the ball, even if you'd just done it and it was best CB.

[Fear The Chorizo]

1 hour ago, BrewerFan said:

This is the worst injury I can remember in Packers history(I was too young for the Reggie injury...I was paying attention, but he was already back by the time I really heard it was a season ending injury or close to it). 

 

You don't think he can come back and make an impact by mid-season next year?

Granted, we don't know the extent of it("just" an ACL is much better than when Kylin Hill's knee exploded on the field) but assuming it's like Watson or Kraft, I think it sucks, but we could get back next year and be good to go.

 

With Watson, I'm honestly not as worried about long term injury issues. It SEEMS like he's solved the soft muscle injuries he's had. The rest is just the risk of football as opposed to every time he runs holding your breath. In fact... as a whole, 1-53, our injury luck hasn't been that bad numbers wise. It's just been to the worst possible players it could be outside of Love. 

Parsons' gift is how quick he is with leverage on the line - if he rushes back from an ACL surgery too quickly without getting that explosiveness back, he becomes very blockable.  I think the Packers and Parsons would be wise to take their time getting him back on the field assuming what he's got is a season-ender requiring surgery.  

With Watson, he had a clean tear, perfect surgery, and was able to rehab really well with no setbacks - but he doesn't play a position where the first thing that knee has to do is hold up against a 300+ pound lineman pushing into it with blocking force every single snap, regardless of whether he's trying to get upfield or lateral.  I can see Parsons getting back mid-season next year, but he's not going to be instantly impacting games as soon as he steps onto the field.  that's why I view it as a 2 season - hampering injury.

[Fear The Chorizo]

7 minutes ago, tmwiese55 said:

Yea didn't mean it as a blame.  Just the luck of it all.   They could've called countless plays on that 1st down, the one they happen to choose ended with this timeline.  There's multiple other timelines that lead to them winning that game and possibly the SB.

Once the play is called, throwing it up one on one seemed fine, though I don't recall seeing a wider view on other receivers to really know much.  But one on one there was probably the right choice of where to go with the ball, even if you'd just done it and it was best CB.

Yeah it's a freak injury on at worst a 50/50 ball...one issue is Love had pressure in his face and couldn't fully step into that throw, which is why it didn't get more in front of Watson.  Just a great play by Surtain making that pick.

The 3rd quarter sequence is just validation that WI sports fans can't have nice things, though - to go from what appeared to be blowing the doors off the AFC's temporary #1 seed on the road in a place GB historically struggled to win, to trying to sort out whether or not the Packers can back into the playoffs as the 7 seed in roughly 30 minutes' time is pretty deflating.

[adambr2]

11 minutes ago, OldHeidelberg said:

I felt that way going to bed last night but not so bad this morning. Like adambr2 said above there is still a path if the offense can really get hot. Not very likely but if Watson is back it certainly helps that. Just beat the Bears Saturday and get a home playoff game.  

Basically, we have to get everybody else healthy besides the guys we obviously aren’t getting back (Parsons, Wyatt, Kraft).

The line then has to protect as well as they were before Tom went out yesterday and Love has to play basically on Rodgers’ level in January.

I don’t have much hope for LVN, but defensively he and Gary have to generate enough pressure on the edges to at least somewhat mitigate the loss of Parsons.

And then you do all that and still have to get lucky and win the close games. You also need your HC to not be a bonehead in crunch time, and manage the clock better than he did before halftime yesterday and not make dumb emotional decisions that he has a penchant for doing when he gets upset like that inexplicable 4th quarter challenge.

That’s the path. It’s a very remote one.

[BrewerFan]

2 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Parsons' gift is how quick he is with leverage on the line - if he rushes back from an ACL surgery too quickly without getting having that explosiveness back, he becomes very blockable.  I think the Packers and Parsons would be wise to take their time getting him back on the field assuming what he's got is a season-ender requiring surgery.  

With Watson, he had a clean tear, perfect surgery, and was able to rehab really well with no setbacks - but he doesn't play a position where the first thing that knee has to do is hold up against a 300+ pound lineman pushing into it with blocking force every single snap, regardless of whether he's trying to get upfield or lateral.  I can see Parsons getting back mid-season next year, but he's not going to be instantly impacting games as soon as he steps onto the field.  that's why I view it as a 2 season - hampering injury.

Yeah... he has to do all the planting and pushing off as a WR, but he has to do it while trying to stack a DL or bend and get around them. That's exactly what makes him great. This probably does hurt him more than Bosa's(speaking of which, they'll be getting him back and should be a SB contender again next year). 

I don't disagree with anything you've said, but it's the Packers job to get by without Parsons. Hopefully his is clean and rehab can go well. Watson may be optimistic, but I believe they can play well enough without Parsons to hold it down until he comes back.

If that's week 8 or 10, 14, I don't know.

And I take it back. There's probably ONE injury that was more impactful to their SB chances than Parson's. Bakhtiari. I think we win a SB that year with him and I think we're favorites the next year. But that's pretty much a worse case scenario.

We don't even have a 1st rd pick to cope and look forward to the draft... ******* what a miserable game. 

[CheezWizHed]

I've seen Nix play two games: The Packer game and Oregon vs Wisconsin.  Both games he looked very much the same... athletic, accurate, and making smart decisions.  

I know the rest of his stats don't seem to align with those two games, but I always wondered why he was ranked so low in that draft.  Williams might have the higher ceiling, but Nix is the better QB right now.  Nix might be the second-best QB in that draft ( and 6th drafted)