Game 14: Packers @ Broncos - Sunday, Dec. 14th @ 3:25 PM

[adambr2]

17 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Yeah, I do find it annoying when we're talking about the Packers, I make a comment about THE PACKERS and you start talking about the Bucks and the Brewers. What about the Badgers? Marquette? How far does this fanbase extend to in a thread specifically about the Green Bay Packers?

 

Yeah, YOU replied and "made it apparent" you were arguing with me about something entirely different. "Fly off the handle?"
Get over yourself dude. Are you still patting yourself on the back for cracking that HUGE secret I was Fan174 or whatever on the old website? Well Golly! That's super impressive... if you ignore... me specifically saying that, but otherwise, incredible detective work!

From what you're reading... this morning, right?

Is that from Watson's Dad saying

So 15 hours later, you've got more information than we had at the time... but you're REALLY invested in arguing about the "feelings," of fans from DURING the game. 

What purpose is that serving?

And that's how this discussion started. I know we're just kinda changing it up as we go, but that was the entire discussion. 

Do you ever just … let anything go and decide it’s really not worth the argument?

I don’t have the time or energy to respond to sarcasm filled, passive aggressive, multi all cap word rants. You’re right. You win. Moving on.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

1 hour ago, adambr2 said:

I don’t know why anyone would care about losing for draft position. It’s really important in the first round which doesn’t apply to us and matters less and less progressively after that.

I’m on the fence. I’m halfway “we’re screwed anyway” and halfway “may as well just get in and see what happens.”

Whatever happens against the Bears next week will probably push me one way or the other.

I couldn't care less about draft spot, even if we had all our picks. The only time that would ever matter is you were tanking for #1 and Peyton Manning is coming out. 

I am almost certain we're making the playoffs. The division isn't even out of the picture. The Bears have been winning 1-pt games all year, that is not some unstoppable force. I think they're now the favorite, but it could still be us. 

The title hopes are shot though. There isn't a soul on this board who, prior to trading for Parsons, if I told you we'd be down Clark, Wyatt, Kraft, Watson, Nixon and Valentine are our top 2 CBs, that we're a contender. You'd have to think Golden had played like Randy Moss if that were the case. Just a wild course of events. At 23-14, I noticed the Rams were losing and I was thinking wow, we might actually be the front runner right now. Now I'm just waiting for the season to end.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Just now, adambr2 said:

Do you ever just … let anything go and decide it’s really not worth the argument?

I don’t have the time or energy to respond to sarcasm filled, passive aggressive, multi all cap word rants. You’re right. You win. Moving on.

Oh no. He doesn't. Soon he's going to be asking to meet and fight you at a local park.

[adambr2]

18 minutes ago, young guns said:

I absolutely don't want to lose for draft positioning to help the cowboys get a higher pick.

Since we would have to lose out and them win out to tie, that would put us 2-3 vs afc and them 4-1, which means we would have a better conference record and thus the tiebreaker.

And with their loss to Minnesota last night it’s a moot point now. We’ll get in — but likely as a 7.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

2 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

And with their loss to Minnesota last night it’s a moot point now. We’ll get in — but likely as a 7.

And 7 is pretty much 100% a 3rd game with the Bears.

[adambr2]

4 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

And 7 is pretty much 100% a 3rd game with the Bears.

Which I see happening regardless of whether we win next week or not. 

Win and there’s still a decent shot at a 2. Lose and we’re dropping to 7 for sure. Just a matter of whether the 3rd game is here or Soldier.

I can see us winning next week. I think the Bears ironically felt a little overconfident looking ahead to this game after the Lambeau game, and I think after losing Micah yesterday they’re going to be even more overconfident.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Just now, adambr2 said:

Which I see happening regardless of whether we win next week or not. 

Win and there’s still a decent shot at a 2. Lose and we’re dropping to 7 for sure. Just a matter of whether the 3rd game is here or Soldier.

I can see us winning next week. I think the Bears ironically felt a little overconfident looking ahead to this game after the Lambeau game, and I think after losing Micah yesterday they’re going to be even more overconfident.

The Bears at least did something we haven't done all year, smashed a crappy team instead of letting them hang around the entire game or worse, actually losing.

I liked the Bears to win round 2 even before this disaster - just felt like the natural order - but I still thought we'd end up taking the division with them having to play SF and DET. Without Parsons, we will have problems containing Williams. He will be able to run around and buy time and beat guys to the corner.

I think the 7 is a foregone conclusion. Is it a trip to Chicago or Philadelphia...I think the fork is in either way. Such a massively disappointing and depressing way to see this season unfold.

[SeaBass]

Yeah, the season is effectively done. It's sad. I was more than halfway checked out when Watson went down, he honestly felt like the difference maker on that offense this season. Parsons going down sealed it. It's definitely not just Parsons either, it's too many impact guys just gone due to injuries. Could they still win games, sure but this isn't a team that inspires me to any great levels of optimism.

Devastating to lose a guy you spent two 1st round picks to get, there's no way around that. That's something that has layers that go beyond just the impact on this season.

[MrTPlush]

They aren’t toast. That might have been the case 10 years ago, but not in today’s NFL. QB play is way too mediocre today for any game to not be winnable.

If they make adjustments and figure it out fast enough, I think the defense is still respectable. The offense isn’t that special, but I still think it has enough competency to score enough points to beat anyone. Surely there odds aren’t any worse than the Brewers chances every year…and people think they have a chance.

I don’t think our downfall will end up because Parsons was gone. More like a mix of losing Kraft/Watson and MLF existing. Offense is just a bigger problem…and was before yesterday, imo.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I have to wonder how anyone can downplay the loss of Parsons, I genuinely wonder if said people watched the games or just saw highlights/dropped in. On key passing downs, there were instances where they sent 3 guys on him to just get him out of the play. If you watched almost any snap where he's 1 on 1, he was literally unblockable and even games like yesterday where he didn't have any sacks, he is still influencing the QB on nearly every snap. He is the entire reason you can get by with the scrub corners we are trotting out there. Without him those guys were roasted and they will continue to be roasted. I've never seen a player close space on a QB running to the edge like Parsons did. He ran like a wide receiver.

Imagine for a second we never traded for Parsons - you really think they can overcome the loss of Wyatt, Slaton and Clark from last year's defense, at the same time? There is no way.

I will agree though that when Watson went down I assumed his season was over and we were probably toast. He is very clearly the best WR we have, but he just cannot stay on the field to save his life. Maybe Belichick or Reid could scheme his way out of this. MLF definitely can't.

Even if no one else had been seriously hurt and we just had Tom hobbling for a few weeks, that alone is a huge injury.

[BrewerFan]

38 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Oh no. He doesn't. Soon he's going to be asking to meet and fight you at a local park.

LOL... oh...no, no, no bud! We're not doing that!

I challenged YOU to a fight?!?

Why would you even say that when you KNOW I've got screenshots!

"I'M the one who asked!"

I just laughed at it!

I could go on where you said;

Quote

 I want to feel your blood on my hands and see your eyeballs roll when I smash your skull into the concrete.

But this... PROBABLY feels like a good place to stop!

That's funny though... I wanted challenged YOU!!!

 

No, after you said about a dozen times I was "afraid" to meet you, I said "fine," which... I obvious wasn't going to do and then you ran and told Brock on me! Don't rewrite history when I've still got the posts here bud!

[BrewerFan]

40 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Do you ever just … let anything go and decide it’s really not worth the argument?

I don’t have the time or energy to respond to sarcasm filled, passive aggressive, multi all cap word rants. You’re right. You win. Moving on.

I got up this morning and... and there are your posts... still talking about.

So... you want to let it go, then I guess... let it go?

[CheezWizHed]

2 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

I got up this morning and... and there are your posts... still talking about.

So... you want to let it go, then I guess... let it go?

Yes.  Time to move on please. 

[CheezWizHed]

Yesterday couldn't have been more painful.  

Kraft gone for the season - mitigated by Watson and Reed's returns

Wyatt gone for the season - didn't have a great fill-in, but used depth for run defense and LVN's return on pass rush. 

Parsons, Watson probably gone for the season or close.  Tom and Williams gone for multiple weeks.  That is going to be very difficult to overcome. 

Love is healthy and playing well. Jacobs is at 75%.  Golden and Reed (missed the last two plays yesterday) are mostly healthy, but dinged.  Our TEs can't stay on their feet when catching the ball. 

Our pass rush is going to be limited moving forward, our DBs can't cover for long periods.  At least Walker and Cooper are healthy... 

Yesterday will be very hard to overcome. 

[BrewerFan]

33 minutes ago, SeaBass said:

Yeah, the season is effectively done. It's sad. I was more than halfway checked out when Watson went down, he honestly felt like the difference maker on that offense this season. Parsons going down sealed it. It's definitely not just Parsons either, it's too many impact guys just gone due to injuries. Could they still win games, sure but this isn't a team that inspires me to any great levels of optimism.

Devastating to lose a guy you spent two 1st round picks to get, there's no way around that. That's something that has layers that go beyond just the impact on this season.

Yup. Tom was bad, but at least it wasn't a clear ACL or anything, he could be coming back(though these injuries they don't always label as "significant" can end up being LVN types...

Then Watson who is pretty irreplaceable after Kraft. 

Parsons was the final nail. It's a 3-4 year window before we've gotta start really kicking the salary cap can down the road, so losing one year really sucks. 

 

Then again, Reggie had a season ending injury and god healed his hammy! So... maybe....that could happen again? Anyone feeling confident?

[OldHeidelberg]

Sounds like Watson may be OK, at least according to his Dad. Have to assume he is out Saturday though, maybe just a cracked rib.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

8 minutes ago, OldHeidelberg said:

Sounds like Watson may be OK, at least according to his Dad. Have to assume he is out Saturday though, maybe just a cracked rib.

If true, I'm relieved just for his psyche, the guy has overcome enough already. Don't think we can overcome Parsons, but we can hope he's back midseason in '26, I guess.

[BrewerFan]

11 minutes ago, OldHeidelberg said:

Sounds like Watson may be OK, at least according to his Dad. Have to assume he is out Saturday though, maybe just a cracked rib.

"Just a cracked rib?"

I agree that's very good for him in the long run and for the Packers... but that is such a miserable injury. It's not much different than a back. Everything you do hurts. Just breathing hurts. And hell, I've never cracked a rib, just a little torn cartilage. Maybe a one of those flak jackets and numbing him up. 

I'd still guess he misses the Bears game(as you said). 

Never saw Tom's injury, so hopefully that's just something like a bone bruise or MCL. Whatever.

 

I guess the best news we could get(baring a miracle) would be a clean tear for Parsons and a Watson like recover. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

5 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

If true, I'm relieved just for his psyche, the guy has overcome enough already. Don't think we can overcome Parsons, but we can hope he's back midseason in '26, I guess.

Yeah, I just want Watson to find a way to get through a mostly healthy season - at this point theres no expectation of a fully healthy one.

 

If Tom and Watson arent season-enders, I would like to see what the offense can do with their full compliment of receivers and a functional running game.  Golden made some plays and Reed back with Watson makes them dynamic....if there's enough Oline to protect Love.  Musgrave isnt Kraft, but he is making more plays with consistent opportunities, too.

 

I'm still gutted by Parsons going down - with his style of play an ACL (if true) now feels like it wrecks both this and next season given the timing.  If healthy, I think GB wouldve gotten to and been favored to win the Super bowl...losing your best TE, DT, OL injury issues, multiple receivers missing huge chunks of the season, and now one of the game's 2-3 best defensive players at a position that can wreck a game just sucks.

[OldHeidelberg]

We don't know if it is a cracked rib at all, just speculation on my part since it looked painful, but I remember Jordy cracked a rib in playoffs and returned the next week for NFCC. He wasn't very effective though.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

ACL isn't what it used to be. He's young. With a responsible and patient rehab, he should still have some years in him. The thing with Parsons is that he was never going to age super great with the reliance on fast twitch. Not that he'd suck, but he's unlikely to be an elite level guy past 30 when those skills fall off. He doesn't have the size of someone like Peppers to lean on either. I assumed when his contract expired the Packers wouldn't retain him, it would be obvious he was declining, but that's obviously just my speculation. There are always freak exceptions.

It hurts because this is simply a year we were good enough to do it, and we've lost it, again.

[BrewerFan]

1 minute ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

 

I'm still gutted by Parsons going down - with his style of play an ACL (if true) now feels like it wrecks both this and next season given the timing. 

This is the worst injury I can remember in Packers history(I was too young for the Reggie injury...I was paying attention, but he was already back by the time I really heard it was a season ending injury or close to it). 

 

You don't think he can come back and make an impact by mid-season next year?

Granted, we don't know the extent of it("just" an ACL is much better than when Kylin Hill's knee exploded on the field) but assuming it's like Watson or Kraft, I think it sucks, but we could get back next year and be good to go.

 

With Watson, I'm honestly not as worried about long term injury issues. It SEEMS like he's solved the soft muscle injuries he's had. The rest is just the risk of football as opposed to every time he runs holding your breath. In fact... as a whole, 1-53, our injury luck hasn't been that bad numbers wise. It's just been to the worst possible players it could be outside of Love. 

[BrewerFan]

18 minutes ago, OldHeidelberg said:

We don't know if it is a cracked rib at all, just speculation on my part since it looked painful, but I remember Jordy cracked a rib in playoffs and returned the next week for NFCC. He wasn't very effective though.

That does make the most sense. It really seemed like a shoulder or collarbone. And then they said they were unsure if he'd make the trip back to Green Bay(though he did). 

I think you were probably right. Just having him on the field is important for this team. 

Remember when Parsons got here though and the defense played with SO much energy. Just everyone rallying to the ball and playing all out. I at least want to see that next week. 

It would also be nice if Collin Oliver's little "redshirt" season as Andy Herman put it could come to an end and he could play. He's clearly not anything like Parsons, but he's extremely athletic and was at one point considered a 1st rd pick for last years draft(you'll probably find 100+ guys who at one point or the other are in 1st rd mocks that don't end up going in the 1st, but he has speed and our DL is sorely lacking that). 

[tmwiese55]

Think of the butterfly effect of choosing or calling the play to throw that bomb to Watson.  You had just thrown one last possession, but decided to come back and try it again.  If they don't do that, it changes the whole course of the season.  There's a timeline where if they just do a basic run play that GB wins the Super Bowl.   Instead, the season is as good as over and other teams SB odds are drastically increased

[OldSchoolSnapper]

6 minutes ago, tmwiese55 said:

Think of the butterfly effect of Love choosing to throw that bomb to Watson.  You had just thrown one last possession, but decided to come back and try it again.  If they don't do that, it changes the whole course of the season.  There's a timeline where if they just do a basic run play that GB wins the Super Bowl.   Instead, the season is as good as over and other teams SB odds are drastically increased

I'd settle for choking the game away and no one being hurt. Before yesterday I thought we were one of a handful of teams that all had about a 15% chance of winning the Super Bowl. It was unlikely we would, but we were in the mix with some lucky breaks. Today feels very similar to the Monday after an overtime playoff loss.

There has been a lot of chatter about that play, myself included. But the morning after, it's hard to fault going to your best WR downfield, 1 on 1, for a knockout blow. The play was there, too. A yard or so more and that's a pass Watson can catch. Just awful luck, yet again.