Game 17 - Does it really matter?: Packers @ Vikings - Sunday, Jan. 4th @ 12:00 PM

[adambr2]

10 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

I dont think we need to answer this hypothetical, because if the Bears win next weekend it wont be a blowout.  And then the reasoning from the front office would be all the injuries hampering the last month of their season.  

 

As much as the move might not be what we feel is right, I think MLF is their coach next season.  I do think Gute might be in jeopardy if they lose next weekend.  But, win that 1st round playoff game and they are both getting extensions

Interesting on different perspectives… one person feels Gute could be in jeopardy, another feels he is “solidly safe”.

That’s why I think it’s hard to know what the FO is thinking right now on either guy in charge.

[young guns]

These second and third string defensive players haven't played terrible vs the viking starters.  The all backup offensive line hasn't stood a chance vs the Vikings starters.

I Initially thought love should at least get some game time before the playoffs, but not behind this line and risking any of the starters in a meaningless game seems the right idea.  So hopefully he's ready to go next week.

[adambr2]

1 minute ago, young guns said:

These second and third string defensive players haven't played terrible vs the viking starters.  The all backup offensive line hasn't stood a chance vs the Vikings starters.

I Initially thought love should at least get some game time before the playoffs, but not behind this line and risking any of the starters in a meaningless game seems the right idea.  So hopefully he's ready to go next week.

Agreed that there’s really nothing you can take out of this performance today. Just have to hope they’re ready to go next week. Better embrace the underdog role because they’re going to be one.

[adambr2]

The fact that they didn’t let Tune try to remotely carry anything with his arm tells me that he’s not on their radar for the backup QB job next year.

[HarryDoyle]

Hang this game thread in the Louvre.

[SeaBass]

3 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Interesting on different perspectives… one person feels Gute could be in jeopardy, another feels he is “solidly safe”.

That’s why I think it’s hard to know what the FO is thinking right now on either guy in charge.

And yet that person somehow seems to feel MLF is more safe than Gute. Five weeks ago the Packers were looking like serious Super Bowl contenders despite losing very winnable games that many directly blame the coaching staff for. Then they lose their superstar on defense and their starting QB to injury, among other key injuries, and lose 4 straight games. I don't think the roster was the problem.

[young guns]

4 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

The fact that they didn’t let Tune try to remotely carry anything with his arm tells me that he’s not on their radar for the backup QB job next year.

It is probably because their offensive game plan was don't get hurt, take time off the clock, and don't get hurt.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

5 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

The fact that they didn’t let Tune try to remotely carry anything with his arm tells me that he’s not on their radar for the backup QB job next year.

Yeah. Ridder is probably a more serious candidate. They didn't take any part of this game seriously. 

[Sixtolezcano]

A Packer FG losing 16-0 with 1 second left. MLF is such a loser. Along with the NFL. I’m surprised anyone buys tickets to any NFL games. Flush the NFL.
 

pre-season games during pre-season

pre-season games during the first 2 weeks of the regular season

pre-season games on week 18

[adambr2]

That was just kind of douchey by Lafleur. 

Try to get into the endzone on that last drive or just run out the clock and eat the shutout. Just make a decision. 

Running out the entire clock just to call timeout so you can kick a chip shot to lose 16-3 instead of 16-0 is just douchey.

[bucks2281]

One of the worst NFL games you’ll ever see. Also, hilarious and heartbreaking for all those that bet Vikings -14.

[Fear The Chorizo]

25 minutes ago, SeaBass said:

And yet that person somehow seems to feel MLF is more safe than Gute. Five weeks ago the Packers were looking like serious Super Bowl contenders despite losing very winnable games that many directly blame the coaching staff for. Then they lose their superstar on defense and their starting QB to injury, among other key injuries, and lose 4 straight games. I don't think the roster was the problem.

I feel that way because after the dust settles on this season, the roster moving forward needs someone with a different approach than Gute to improve moreso than having a different coaching staff get more out of the players they do have.  MLF gets a longer leash than Gute in my book only because of the relationship he has with Love after developing him.  That doesnt mean I think he's a great coach, I just think he's been better at his job than what Gute has been with his the past few seasons, and I thing the Packers can improve faster with a new GM making roster decisions rather than letting that same GM hire another coach.

I really do think what Policy opts to do with both of them moving forward has so much to do with what happens on the field next weekend.

[Yaz19]

13 minutes ago, bucks2281 said:

One of the worst NFL games you’ll ever see. Also, hilarious and heartbreaking for all those that bet Vikings -14.

Well, the only BRIGHT SPOT from this piss poor rigged handover of a game by LaFleur.  If DEGENERATE GAMBLERS are upset, then I am HAPPY.

[duewizard]

Generational Daniel Whelan performance. 5 in 20 punts and averaged over 50 yards!

Man, I really wanted a Tune TD.

 

[Jimbo]

Contrary to what most feel, I'm glad they got the FG to avoid the shut out.  Even with that, it looked as if MLF was going to blow that.

 

[JosephC]

Six weeks ago I would have laughed at the idea of Gutekunst and LeFleur getting fired.  But if they lose the first playoff game, over the last four years the Packers have a regular season record of 37-30-1 and a 1-3 playoff record.

IMO 37-30-1 definitely is not a "should be fired" record, but with more limited off-season resources coming up, it doesn't give one great hopes for optimism. 

[homer]

I'd be shocked if anyone gets fired 

[Sixtolezcano]

2 hours ago, SeaBass said:

And yet that person somehow seems to feel MLF is more safe than Gute. Five weeks ago the Packers were looking like serious Super Bowl contenders despite losing very winnable games that many directly blame the coaching staff for. Then they lose their superstar on defense and their starting QB to injury, among other key injuries, and lose 4 straight games. I don't think the roster was the problem.

I seriously doubt that Policy would fire one and keep the other. He will most likely either clean house and hire his own people or keep them both another year, due to all the catastrophic injuries this season. With my current faith in MLF my money is on the MLF/Gutey combo remaining for the 2026 season and then most likely fired in January 2027 with another playoff failure.

On another note, it appears that the Packers might be headed toward a playoff rematch with the Eagles. At halftime the. Lions look like they have a strong handle over the Bears with the Eagles-Commanders game a tossup.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I think Gute is safe. Much easier to rationalize him. Yes there have been some bad picks, but there have been some good ones, and I think he would be firmly in the 10-15 range of drafting if you compared him to peers. He's hit in FA most of the time, unfortunately for him the whiffs were last off-season. 

MLF feels like much shakier ground. He's been there a while now. Coaching is more volatile than FO. I personally hope they move on, but another year won't shock me and I think they can rationalize it with all the injuries. I just think his voice, scheme, etc.  has gone stale.  

[HarryDoyle]

3 hours ago, adambr2 said:

Jordan Morgan just absolutely blows ass. So bad.

Another Gute 1st round special.

Yes, he does but you can't blame him for that sack. He's not responsible for picking up the safety. Tune needs to look for that and obviously he didn't.

[CheezWizHed]

6 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

Yes, he does but you can't blame him for that sack. He's not responsible for picking up the safety. Tune needs to look for that and obviously he didn't.

Agreed.  Morgan looked fine.  

Tune clearly needs work on blitz pick-ups... especially against Flores. Here is hoping for a Flores HC job next year! 

 

[yourout]

1 hour ago, Sixtolezcano said:

I seriously doubt that Policy would fire one and keep the other. He will most likely either clean house and hire his own people or keep them both another year, due to all the catastrophic injuries this season. With my current faith in MLF my money is on the MLF/Gutey combo remaining for the 2026 season and then most likely fired in January 2027 with another playoff failure.

On another note, it appears that the Packers might be headed toward a playoff rematch with the Eagles. At halftime the. Lions look like they have a strong handle over the Bears with the Eagles-Commanders game a tossup.

Would be interesting to know what the bears brass would actually prefer.

[CheezWizHed]

Sorrell and Oliver gave some glimmers of hope from this pre-season game.  

JKJ showed a little wiggle out there, and it will be interesting to see what he can develop into next year.  Maybe next year's PR/KR + Bo Melton (the WR version) replacement? 

Tune is hard to judge much, except for his legs.  He needs more blitz recognition/ability to change protections, but he was playing at a huge disadvantage with minimal starters against a Viking D that basically didn't care about anything deep. 

Monk seemed to be ok out there at center after Q1.  There were so many overloaded blitzes, it was a bit hard to distinguish the OL mistakes from Tune's. 

[adambr2]

9 minutes ago, yourout said:

Would be interesting to know what the bears brass would actually prefer.

Judging by the fact that they’re doing everything they can to come back, they prefer us. 

I don’t think anyone prefers to face anyone more than us in the playoff field. Well, except for Carolina.

[yourout]

6 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Judging by the fact that they’re doing everything they can to come back, they prefer us. 

I don’t think anyone prefers to face anyone more than us in the playoff field. Well, except for Carolina.

I would guess that we would be the team everybody would want to face in our current condition.