Look, this discussion is getting pretty long in the tooth. I'm pro-Gwynn, and half the reason I want him to suceed is the sheer amount of crap he takes here. But having said that, he's no better than a fourth outfielder and probably only a fifth outfielder in reality. For him to be a starter he's got to get his OBP way up--I'm guessing in the .380-.390 range. He's got to start developing consistent doubles-power, and as good as he is in the outfield, eventually he's got to be Cameron good. He's also going to have to maximize his situational hitting (bunting, bunting for base hit, sac flies, moving runners, hit and run, etc.). That's an awful lot to ask of a player, and quite frankly I don't think he's got enough development time left to accomplish all that. On the other hand Gross is no better than a fourth outfielder either. He's got more power and a better OBP, but I think he's dead rotten in the field on a team that has to maximize its defense. He's streakier than Gwynn, and when he's en fuego you gotta ride him like they did last year for some time. He doesn't clog up the basepaths, but he doesn't add anything either, Gwynn's definitely better there. So, objectively I'd probably say that Gross is better, but only marginally. So, I'd rather keep Gross as my primary pinch hitter with the thought that he'll get less at bats, but more important at bats.