Arcia's pitiful .283 OBP is still far better than the average .164 OBP posted by the pitchers. As the numbers in post #1 show, 20 less plate appearance for the 9th spot opposed to the 8th spot...but with pinch hitting for pitchers that number is even less when looking at how many extra plate appearances would be forced on pitchers if they were moved to 8th in the batting order. #9 is the perfect place to hide Arcia, and still end up with a hitter that is roughly .120 OBP higher (on average) 2 spots in the order ahead of Yelich. I don't think this would be the case, but there is always a chance that Arcia might hit a little bit better if he was batting ahead of another hitter instead of a pitcher. Again, I don't think so because Arcia just isn't a good hitter. But there is always that theory of hitters getting more or less strikes depending on who is hitting behind them. Maybe Counsell doesn't like it because it might force someone like Thames to hit in front of a pitcher if he was slotted #7 in the batting order. But to improve the OBP .120 two spots ahead of Yelich in the order, I'd gladly have a pitcher hitting behind Thames. If the pitcher hits 8th then the #7 guy isn't going to see as many good pitches as he normally would, especially in crucial situations. Plus if the #8 guy gets on, a pitcher can bunt him over. For each hitter you try to help by batting a pitcher higher in the order, you hurt another hitter equally as much.