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Definitely conflicts with what Stearns said, but...I don't agree there's no point in Buehler. TBH, I saw that trade and I thought he was factoring Buehler's injury in as that's a...BIG haul for Burnes. Just Cartaya, Vargas, Pepiot, Miller is a whole lot. But that trade is actually pretty interesting with Buehler. See how he recovers, maybe a Tyler Glasnow type deal if he's on schedule and recovering next year. He's got elite stuff. I don't think the Dodgers would include Cartaya in that trade, but...even then, still a pretty nice return.

Burnes and Woodruff are 27 and 29. Nola and Wheeler are 29 and 32. Not sure how the argument could be made that they've "burnt their peaks."

Burnes and Woodruff are 27 and 29. Nola and Wheeler are 29 and 32. Not sure how the argument could be made that they've "burnt their peaks."

I didn't mean you literally did not have someone to play in RF. I meant a replacement as in...someone who WASN'T a dramatic drop off in ability. .233/.286/.442 .729 OPS .255/.315/.492 .807 OPS Upside; Taylor's splits are fairly even. Downside; Taylor's splits are fairly even. We couldn't score runs. Solution...get rid of our best hitter, our best RHed bat, get rid of our 2nd best hitter(which makes some sense, but probably wise to pay 8M for the 2B with 3.2 WAR as I don't think it'd be hard to trade him). But we're bringing back all 3 of the players who both cost a great deal of money(most likely far more than you're proposing) and...we rid of the two best hitters. What exactly is the point in this? And...once again, the Mets bought out Bonilla so they could go out and sign Mike Hampton who was coming off a 22-4, 2.90 ERA, 6.7 WAR season in which he was Cy Young runner up. Why would we do the stupid half of the Mets deferred money...but not the smart half? Now, if Wiemer can buck traditional trends and he can come up and hit MLB caliber pitching right out of the gate...then this wild gamble STILL wouldn't pay off as we need to find a way to hit LFers better. So how about you keep the guy who gives you an ~.800 OPS each year and ~30 HRs and HOPE the guy in AAA can come up and perform and make your team better rather than get rid of another player who hit well this year and count on a rookie(another rookie who's struggled to adjust when initially jumping leagues)?

I don't understand what point you're making. I didn't say anything about Renfroe and you're getting...very little back from Seattle other than...lottery tickets. That's fine if you have a replacement, but you don't have one that's ready.

Right...I was obviously using the number that would have been in line with the Padres package. And I don't think the Padres would have ever considered that trade. Also, I'll just leave it here. I'm just very skeptical. You said It's "KNOWN to be used by MLB GMs in some capacity," and you have the creator saying people have told him some FOs do. It seems to me like you're just giving it credibility based on this anecdotal evidence and said anecdotal evidence is coming from the person who owns a product and is trying to promote it and himself.

I mean...I hate to be...well, a dick, but that's not really proof. That's a guy saying someone in a front office emailed him to say they used his web site. I think that's a good leap from proof that MLB GMs use it. I could see them having some intern run it through and if they find a major discrepancy taking another look, OR maybe using this in a back and forth saying, "hey, we're giving up more value here," but...at most. These teams have pretty sophisticated systems and this offers virtually no nuance. That Corbin Burnes value would place him in the range of the package the Pads gave up for Soto. If that's the case, I'd have made that trade. I just remain skeptical. I'm not saying it has no value, but just that it feels closer to the NBA Trade Machine or PFF Mock draft simulator. A little tool mostly for fans. Anyway, love the idea of Jansen, but if giving up someone like Wiemer, I'd want more than 2 years of team control. Though, to be fair, he would line up pretty damn well with Quero. Ruiz would be more palpable to me though.

That seems incredibly unrealistic for a player who will be 32, has played over 96 games TWICE in his career. He's a nice player...when healthy. That's not often. And it really seems to be at odds with the "trade Renfroe for salary" argument you've made...fairly regularly. He's also coming off his worst year, played in 57 games, his defense has diminished...leading to him getting time at DH. Nice player. Not a guy who's likely to get "at LEAST three times"(15M) a year with all those issues. Glancing at a couple Mariners sites, he's looking for something in the ~3/30 range.

Is there any proof of that? That seems...kinda ridiculous. As I pointed out, I could package Tyrone Taylor and Jason Alexander and I'm at close to the same value that you get with Joey Wiemer and Rodriguez and...Jansen. Does anyone think the Jays would take such a deal? These values seem all over the place. I guess even if they use it, it seems like PFF and NFL Front offices that refer to that. I would doubt they put much stock in it. As for Jansen...I don't see anything to suggest he slowed down. I don't know how to really put stock into a catcher who hasn't had to play everyday, but it clearly wasn't a fluke month. If anything, he was very unlucky in the 1st half.

I thought Ashby did maintain his rookie status this year? By what measurement did he not?

I really thought I was the only one dumbfounded by the Lindblom thing. Even when he got hit around at the big league level, you could see how much movement he had. He seemed to improve his control and with his movement, at least offered the potential for a couple of good outings. The potential for blowup's as well, but...that's what we were getting already. It's almost like, "well, if we're paying him over 3M a year, at least he's going to help OUR AAA team and we're not going to call him up, just to DFA him if it doesn't work out." I would hope that wasn't the logic, but it's hard to figure out what else it'd be.

I really thought I was the only one dumbfounded by the Lindblom thing. Even when he got hit around at the big league level, you could see how much movement he had. He seemed to improve his control and with his movement, at least offered the potential for a couple of good outings. The potential for blowup's as well, but...that's what we were getting already. It's almost like, "well, if we're paying him over 3M a year, at least he's going to help OUR AAA team and we're not going to call him up, just to DFA him if it doesn't work out." I would hope that wasn't the logic, but it's hard to figure out what else it'd be.

25 would almost certainly get it done I'd think...but it's just so hard to track this sometimes. Castillo is a good Woodruff comp and he's obviously using that. Castillo signed a very team friendly deal though. The Bonilla trade was made so the Mets could go out and get another player. They failed to trade for Griffey Jr, then traded for Mike Hampton and won the NL, got David Wright as their comp pick and they ended up making out well. Bonilla end's up coming out on top as he turns ~5.8M into 30M. We don't add anyone in this trade and it seems entirely unrealistic. The Brewers should aim for a balance between the A's/Rays and Braves/Cards-That was not intended to rhyme. But lock up young talent early if possible, if not, you DO have to trade most of it. I can see one extension...and I don't see why Adames would sign for 5 years 67.5, but...it's not totally insulting. I'd offer 5/125 and then 5/110 for Burnes and Woodruff and maybe player options for 30M with 5M buyouts. I really don't know what each player is thinking, and I've been pretty vocal about wanting to retain at least one of the two pitchers. Both and Adames is...a little fantastical. Though, somehow still more likely than moving a 35 year old Braun to SS or Frelick now to SS.

My problem is Jansen is a career .212/.298/.396 before having a nice partial season last year. I don't know he really is a big offensive upgrade. 2022 version of him, sure.

I kinda agree. Jansen was good in 248 PAs last year, but for his career, he's 98 WRC+. He's a nice catcher...I don't want to give up Wiemer for him. I'd honestly rather run it back with Omar...provided he was cheap. He had a solid walk rate last year, few Ks and his BABIP was .248, over 50 points below his career line. Wiemer may very well be a bust(they might all...obviously). But his tools are so impressive, I'd rather roll the dice and take 6 years of him and then I'm not sure what Carlos Rodriquez that is. CF is certainly more appealing than the RHPer. Garcia is a lotto ticket I like but wouldn't object to. I guess I just don't see it. Jansen had success last year despite an also low BABIP...though his career number is actually .239 and last year he was .255...which may mean he's due to have a HUGE year, but it's just not a move I'd like to see.

They progressively started to get smart...didn't tell the best players until they retired and then their intellect peaked 20 years ago? But sure, it's...an "element of my religion." My religion is apparently observing area's the Brewers had issues with that...we're not supposed to talk about? That tracks!

They progressively started to get smart...didn't tell the best players until they retired and then their intellect peaked 20 years ago? But sure, it's...an "element of my religion." My religion is apparently observing area's the Brewers had issues with that...we're not supposed to talk about? That tracks!

MLB K rate has jumped from 8% in just the past 8 years, but I think you nailed it. I don't think anyone decided it was "smarter" to not play situational baseball. In fact...again, Kolten Wong talked about how he liked the "freedom" he had in Milwaukee that he DIDN'T have in St Louis. How he was expected to shorten up with 2 strikes in STL. Feels like these are kinda the reasons people are excited about Frelick in particular, but also Mitchell, Black, Ruiz. Because we've had SUCH a stagnant offense. One that goes station to station. That DOESN'T mean that was our only problem this year or the main problem this year...but it was a problem that all came to a head when we couldn't get a runner in from 2nd in a must win elimination game in back to back extra innings.

MLB K rate has jumped from 8% in just the past 8 years, but I think you nailed it. I don't think anyone decided it was "smarter" to not play situational baseball. In fact...again, Kolten Wong talked about how he liked the "freedom" he had in Milwaukee that he DIDN'T have in St Louis. How he was expected to shorten up with 2 strikes in STL. Feels like these are kinda the reasons people are excited about Frelick in particular, but also Mitchell, Black, Ruiz. Because we've had SUCH a stagnant offense. One that goes station to station. That DOESN'T mean that was our only problem this year or the main problem this year...but it was a problem that all came to a head when we couldn't get a runner in from 2nd in a must win elimination game in back to back extra innings.

This is exactly it. It's as much situational awareness, baseball intelligence, call it what you want, as anything else. A HR in the 2nd inning with a man on 2nd base is great, a strikeout...it's just an out at that point. Not being able to get a runner in from 2nd with 0 outs and your season on the line in back to back innings...kinda summed up our season. It wasn't just one problem, it was several problems. As for Ruiz at 2B, I have no idea what he looks like there. I haven't watched him. But I do know he's pretty clearly our 5th rated OF prospect and we've have pretty successful teams with Ricky Weeks and Keston Hiura at 2B. I don't think it's a crazy idea to get Ruiz some games at 2B if he's in Nashville to start the year. But again, I'm not pretending to know definitively if he can be a viable option to occasionally at 2B or not. Tough to do without...again, actually seeing him play it, but it'd be nice if it was at least an option.

Kiiinda the point. You think it's ludicrous or based on a cursory reading of scouting reports from 2019, you think he probably can't play 2B? Do YOU think that based on anything you've seen or are you just telling everyone what readily available scouting reports have said about him not having soft hands. SD played him at 2B up until 2020 when they were planning on playing Abrams at SS and Rosario at 2B on the same AA team while also having Tatis Jr and Crowenworth at the MLB level. They had the ROY runner up and a generational talent they paid 340M to playing up the middle with two elite prospects on the same team as Ruiz. So your observations that people can't talk about seeing if Ruiz can play 2B come from...scouting reports that are a couple years old that pretty much sound like Chase Utley or Jeff Kent's? And he probably can't/won't play 2B, but it ain't just "Ryan Braun to SS, Sal Frelick to 3B."

The past 50 years, huh? LOL...no, I don't have a choice. Batters and hitting coaches haven't gotten "more stupid," and eschewed "shortening," and putting the ball in place with less than 2 outs. Where are you getting that from? You realize not every team is all or nothing like the Brewers, right? That guys like Boggs, Gwynn, Altuve, Ichiro, Jeter...I mean, countless others, they all played in this time period as well? The same time period when pitching has improved with deeper bullpen, more platoon matchup's, and a dozen other reasons, but when exactly was this conscious decision made that we're going to swing for the fences with 2 strikes, lets than 2 out and RISP? I missed that Memo? But thank you for telling me what my little league coach told me in Little League doesn't apply?

The past 50 years, huh? LOL...no, I don't have a choice. Batters and hitting coaches haven't gotten "more stupid," and eschewed "shortening," and putting the ball in place with less than 2 outs. Where are you getting that from? You realize not every team is all or nothing like the Brewers, right? That guys like Boggs, Gwynn, Altuve, Ichiro, Jeter...I mean, countless others, they all played in this time period as well? The same time period when pitching has improved with deeper bullpen, more platoon matchup's, and a dozen other reasons, but when exactly was this conscious decision made that we're going to swing for the fences with 2 strikes, lets than 2 out and RISP? I missed that Memo? But thank you for telling me what my little league coach told me in Little League doesn't apply?

I just said, "he struggled badly in AAA and the Brewers, while not flush with top end catching talent, they did have 3-4 AAA worthy catching prospects and Reetz just wasn't hitting well at that level." It was more about the roster crunch and I'm guessing if he'd have hit .257/.342/.517 in 81 PAs rather than .212/.254/.424 in 71 AAA ABs, he probably still would have been DFAd...but he was also struggling in AAA.

I just said, "he struggled badly in AAA and the Brewers, while not flush with top end catching talent, they did have 3-4 AAA worthy catching prospects and Reetz just wasn't hitting well at that level." It was more about the roster crunch and I'm guessing if he'd have hit .257/.342/.517 in 81 PAs rather than .212/.254/.424 in 71 AAA ABs, he probably still would have been DFAd...but he was also struggling in AAA.