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I think that may have been part of the rationale behind Perkins. Really good vs lefties the last two years, can play all 3 OF positions. I doubt they're banking on him on the opening day, but he's a low risk signing and if he can just be a platoon player, he could have value. Maybe Ruiz fits in and they think more of him than we do. Or maybe there's some Willy Adames type trade we make but instead of a young arm, it's a 5 tool OFer like Mitchell. Turang can at least hit lefties well for a lefty. Wong had a OPS in the .400s last year. Also...Willy was a ~.280/.360 hitter for the Brewers in '21. Just that version of him for a full season would be huge. Though he too had reverse splits. Perhaps they'll trade Wong, try and shore up the catching position with Contreras...who knows at this point. That's unlikely, but they clearly have other moved planned. They have to if the plan is to "build around Burnes and Woodruff." It'd also be great if Wiemer stayed healthy and was a breakout star next year for us. He still has such a wide range of outcomes, I wouldn't be surprised if was a middle of the order hitter for us by next August.

Ok...so he was BETTER at AAA. Explain why that's a negative? And he played 6 fewer games at AAA than he did at AA(52 games) and he played less than 40 games at HiA. And he had a high BABIP....at all 3 levels, so it's not like he was lucky. He had an elite hit tool when we drafted him. He had a 7% K rate. He's ready. It's obvious he's ready. The only reason he wouldn't be in the OD roster would be due to service time or injury. "check themselves?" Are they in danger of wrecking themselves? Also, the person you quoted...very specifically said he expected Wiemer to make the 2024 Opening day roster and that he should make his debut at SOME point next year. So his inclusion here makes little sense.

I was simply using Chourio as an example. I don't think a K rate of 27% if it comes with a BB rate of 14% playing the most difficult position to develop is really a concern. Especially if that same player is putting up a .290 and .225 ISO slugging and hitting for as much power as Cartaya. Gunnar, Volpe, Gunnar, Elle De la Cruz, they all had high K rates with lower BB rates than Cartaya...and few hit for the same type of power. The 40 man thing is also...really really minor when talking about a prospect of that caliber. Even the Dodgers have guys on their 40 man that they could do without. Johnny DeLuca for example. A 25th round pick who's not among their top 30 prospects...who hasn't done anything particularly impressive and has a handful of games above HiA and will be 25 next year. But I also never suggested we trade for Cartaya. I just pointed out he wasn't among their top 30 prospects when I posted that link. For starters because...I'd just prefer to get arms back and the Dodgers have made it pretty clear they don't want to trade him after the Nats trade...and then their reluctance to include him this year in a deal for Soto. So if they did trade him, it'd likely be a 1 for 1 trade and I'd rather the Brewers get back a pitching prospect or 2. But I'm not sure they'd even include him in a trade unless it was for Woodruff or Burnes.

Vargas and then...they've got so many pitching prospects with big ceilings but you're probably right about Miller. Stone was a guy that they're supposedly very high on based on their reluctance to include him in a trade last deadline. Vargas plus any of the 3 would probably be a good deal. I just wonder if the Dodgers would do THAT deal. Vargas is a guy people think will contend for batting titles in the future. He can play 3B(*NOT well, but he can apparently play it) and he's cheap. For a team that would have had a payroll over 300 last year if not for Bauer's suspension, seems like they'd be better served to sign a FA and then keep the cheap young studs. But maybe they want to stay below the luxury tax line for a year to reset the penalties.

He's showing up again now, but when I posted this, Miller was #1 and I didn't see Cartaya on the list. I figured it was a mistake, but I thought maybe he'd been involved in some trade or...something. I've never seen him play, so I have no idea if he's overrated defensively. His defensive grades are good, 60 arm, 55 field, but a lot of passed balls and a lot pct of caught stealing. The strikeouts don't seem like they should be all that concerning. a 14% walk rate and a 27% K rate? Especially for a guy with a ~.300 ISO? Those seem...pretty reasonable. Compared to Chourio(for example) who had a similar K rate and half the BB rate...assuming a jump to 40% seems a little fatalistic. His K rate didn't jump when he went up to HiA, but his power and BB rate did. Obviously AA is a bigger jump, but...it was also his age 20 season. I won't argue with you on Quero though. I have seem him play and outside of walk rate, he looks like a pretty safe bet to be a solid MLB catcher if not more. He looks quick, we all saw how well he did in the AZF League. I thought he should be a top 100...and I suspect he will by next year. Meanwhile Dominguez almost couldn't be accurately rated. I've seen a lot of different comps for him, but MLB Pipeline uses Trout, Mantle and Bo Jackson. That is just...insane. But that's how it goes for Yankees prospects. When have they not been overrated? Maybe the Dodgers as well, but their prospects seem to hit more often.

Fair enough...they all get some credit. But I don't know how you pick out the team that he actually developed broke through with, become the best in MLB at what he does and say THAT team doesn't get credit for developing him. Jimmy Nelson is another guy who was ascending and if not an ace yet, was on the verge of becoming an ace. Whatever they're doing, that infrastructure should still be in place as Stearns obviously hasn't left yet, so it's not as though we're losing personnel.

Yeah, that's true. It's also just good to know. Maybe they don't reach an agreement and the Dodgers like him enough...AND need a CFer. Mitchell+Adames for Vargas/Miller plus...a couple of those power arms could make sense for both sides. Adds that big RHed bat, a potential TOR arm while the Dodgers saved 35M this year on Turner or Correa(which would destroy that fan base) and with Bellinger getting non-tendered, Mitchell would be a good fit in CF for them. The trade favors the Dodgers on the ever holy Trade Value Simulator, so they throw in Bruns or Knack...or both. The fans are are always...ridiculously undervaluing the return...probably in the same way I'm suggesting they give up two guys who will probably play huge roles for the next 6 years for cheap for Adames and Mitchell. Two elite prospects. I'm sure the wouldn't be what most of us want or that Friedman(or hopefully Arnold) uses that site. The Dodgers always find a way to keep the legit studs off limits while trading the Kiebert Ruiz rather than Cartaya or Bobby Miller as the Dodgers found out when they got hosed for Scherzer and two years of Turner. I am a little curious why Cartaya is no longer listed as their #1 prospect. Must be a mistake on MLB pipeline; https://www.mlb.com/prospects/dodgers/

Well...I thought I just laid it all out. We lost by FAR our best hitter vs lefties. We're ALSO losing our 2nd and 3rd best hitters vs lefties among those who played the most. So 3 of our top 4. We were already awful vs lefties and it's the single most significant reason we didn't make the playoffs. I don't know...I don't know how you don't see it, but it's right there. Being the worst in baseball(as we'd be at the moment) offensively in 25% of our opponents, not to mention the number of lefties teams would likely throw at us out of the pen...it kinda feels self evidence. ???? Where did I say it was "so hard to think," any of that? Remember...the team building emphasis? That's important. We're talking about Mitchell again? Garrett Mitchell struck out 42% of the time...so he's not helping with the contact or the consistency. Speaking of which, he had a .518 OPS after the first half of his PAs. He also had a .548 BABIP. That's really not improving in two of the three area's you suggested. He finished the year with 25 PAs and a .786 BABIP that raised his OPS from the mid 500's to the final number of ~.830. I'm hopeful he'll produce next year as well. I'm a little more skeptical of him than Frelick as he's been much less consistent...as his .681 AA OPS would suggest. And even STILL, even if he plays well, is he going to be able to hit righties? You can't just brush off one QUARTER of the leagues pitchers as if that's not the difference between the post-season and being .500. Ok...I'm good with the bolded part. I'm struggling to see where they're going to actually improve this team, but Attanasio has surprised me before. He's the same guy who traded for Yelich, signed Cain and then had a ~120M offer on the table for Darvish. MAYBE they target Contreras. Maybe they make another trade like they have for Yelich. But until they do that, this team is just....worse. As for the rookies, Ruiz, I don't know what to expect of him. He made soft contact last year, but hit for power in the minors. He may help. Wiemer, I think he's going to struggle, but nothing he does would surprise me. AS long as they're not BETTER on Ruiz and Wiemer stepping into the lineup and carrying this team vs lefties, I'll be fine. And I think pretty much everytime I've talked about not liking this trade, I'd said it's still November...so I'll trust the FO has a plan as they obviously know what holes we have. I think it's likely one of those 4 OFers is traded...for who, I have no idea, but I'm sure they'll TRY and improve the offense. There are just a limited numbers of players on the FA market who look like they're both realistic and or viable upgrades. Either way, I don't like this trade RIGHT NOW. If they trade for Devers, I'll re-asses(or someone more realistic, but I'm making a point). But it's also going to probably take multiple players to dig out of that hole. I suspect right now, part of that strategy is going to be Jesus Aguilar, Perkins type players...and maybe a FA. The worst thing the Brewers could do is half-ass it this year, burn another year of Burnes and Woodruff. I don't think really good defense and a lineup of LHed hitters or RHed hitter with reverse splits will be good enough...but we'll see. There are over 3 months until pitchers and catchers report.

The Packers make so much money, I don't really care about the cash that he makes. I'd also argue, if he plays the same pct of snaps he has since he came back vs Tampa Bay and plays at the same level(The #4 LT in the NFL behind Williams, Darrisaw and Andrew Thomas). And he's played every snap in 4 of the last 5 games, 57 snaps vs Detroit...on that **** turf and then 95% of the snaps 7 games ago. So if you're starting from Tampa Bay on....he's definitely been worth the 10M roster bonus and the ~6M base salary he has coming. Now why would he take a paycut? I don't know...because he missed two years, he's said he wants to finish his career in GB. Because he knows he hasn't lived up to the first half of that deal. And he'd STILL be doing just fine financially. This is next to impossible to really speculate on though. I don't know how his knee is responding. I see he's playing every week and he's playing at a high level. If we're going back to Brian Gutekunst who said he has "zero long term concerns over the structure of Bakhtiari's knee," then I'd assume he's not bone on bone and he's probably arthritic, but without knowing anything other than what we're seeing, OR what the Packers plans are for next year(will they try and run it back with Rodgers, do they use a top 10-15 pick on LT, trade Rodgers and go with Love...it's kinda tough. But again, just based on his performance this year, he's worth 17M next year and the 6M dollars you'd save by cutting him now.

I don't think you trade him with Burnes and call it a wash. First, I'd just write the 28M in deferred money to a sunk cost. I don't think a team is going to take that on. Second, not this year, but if he has another 3 WAR season next year, I'd agree to send ~40M with him in a deal, at which point a team would be paying roughly 5 years and 110M, 70M with the Brewers eating 40M of that money. At that point, his contract is more like Aaron Hicks, but he's a much better hitter. Then...maybe you can get out from a big chunk of that money and you'd have young players who could step in, play the OF, they'd be cheap and...MAYBE if a team was desperate you could make a trade. Not real likely, but also '22 Yelich isn't quite the albatross he's painted as. Especially as the shift should help him as much as just about anyone. Best case is he can get up to ~280/.370/.400 with the limited shift, be a valuable hitter atop the order and we just....live with it. Worst case is his back gets worse and we're stuck eating the whole contract and he's in and out of the lineup. So not much different than '21. The deal made a lot of sense, just...didn't work out. Kinda like the guy who won the MVP after him, Cody Bellinger...who the Dodgers had also tried to lock up. Just bad luck. I don't think it was the knee, I think it was the back, but whatever it is, he hits the ball hard still...just on the ground and to the right side of the IF. So again, hopefully the new rules benefit him.

I don't think you trade him with Burnes and call it a wash. First, I'd just write the 28M in deferred money to a sunk cost. I don't think a team is going to take that on. Second, not this year, but if he has another 3 WAR season next year, I'd agree to send ~40M with him in a deal, at which point a team would be paying roughly 5 years and 110M, 70M with the Brewers eating 40M of that money. At that point, his contract is more like Aaron Hicks, but he's a much better hitter. Then...maybe you can get out from a big chunk of that money and you'd have young players who could step in, play the OF, they'd be cheap and...MAYBE if a team was desperate you could make a trade. Not real likely, but also '22 Yelich isn't quite the albatross he's painted as. Especially as the shift should help him as much as just about anyone. Best case is he can get up to ~280/.370/.400 with the limited shift, be a valuable hitter atop the order and we just....live with it. Worst case is his back gets worse and we're stuck eating the whole contract and he's in and out of the lineup. So not much different than '21. The deal made a lot of sense, just...didn't work out. Kinda like the guy who won the MVP after him, Cody Bellinger...who the Dodgers had also tried to lock up. Just bad luck. I don't think it was the knee, I think it was the back, but whatever it is, he hits the ball hard still...just on the ground and to the right side of the IF. So again, hopefully the new rules benefit him.

And...just to further illustrate how AWFUL we were against lefties last year. We had 4 players out of our 9 who got the most playing time at each of the 9 positions, our best hitters vs lefties were.... Hunter Renfroe .842 Andrew McCutchen .735 Jace Peterson .718 Tyron Taylor .721 Anyone expecting Tyrone Taylor to be our savior or a #4 hitter vs lefties next year? Especially while he's likely losing PT for the more consistent contact, defense and consistency that the rookies will provide? Or are we banking on Wiemer and Ruiz to step in and save us? Blake Perkins(because he looks like he may need to be on the 26 man at this point given how well he hits lefties). To be fair, lets throw Luis Urias in there. That gives us TWO players who put up .721 OPS and a .752 OPS vs lefties. So....unless they actually add players who can hit lefties, they're a WHOLE lot more than "marginally weaker," vs lefties and getting better at "contact, defense and consistency," all but one is even close to a certainty at this point, it absolutely makes us a significantly worse team as of now. You can't put a team on the field that...at the moment, projects to be the worst in the NFL at hitting lefties with ONE regular who has an OPS vs lefties at ~.750 because Frelick and Mitchell will make up for those weaknesses. Particularly when again, Mitchell has, again, been pretty inconsistent throughout the minors, struck out ~42% of the time and put up a .550 BABIP. And I'm a BIG fan of both Frelick and Mitchell. But you're putting more than a little too much on them to overcompensate for an enormous hole in our offense as rookies. Or Ruiz who struggled last year, or Wiemer who has incredible talent, but has also been streaky and struggled at AA last year before finishing off with a nice ~40 games in AAA. He's also a guy who strikes out a lot and who has a lot of moving parts to his swing and who has struggled moving up at each level. I feel pretty confident if they can't hit lefties better next year, the upgrade defensively and the fewer strikeouts and consistency you're going to get from the rookies...probably won't be even close to enough to get this team back to where they were last year. I'm amazed that this is a controversial take. https://www.statmuse.com/mlb/ask/which-teams-leads-the-league-in-ops-against-lefties-this-season We were terrible. We got worse. Oversimplifying this to "Frelick should produce more than 2.7 WAR, ergo Frelick is a better value," completely ignores team building. Why not apply that logic to Woodruff? He has the same WAR as Renfroe last year. All we need to do is replace or match his 2.7 WAR and we can overcome the loss of Brandon Woodruff. That BADLY ignores the importance of actually building a team. Again though, I'll trust Attanasio didn't do this as starlight money dump and he plans on putting that money back into the team. It'd also certainly make sense to go ahead and trade Wong while we're at it as he hit a scalding .~440 OPS vs lefties while Turang has at least been solid vs lefties. I just don't remember the last time I've had to argue you need to be able thi BOTH righties and lefties on a message board....

My CONCERN is about how the Brewers replace the offense vs Left Handed Pitchers. As I've REPEATEDLY said...like...ad nauseum. Literally...from the post you're quoting; https://www.mlb.com/news/brewers-continue-struggles-vs-lefties-in-loss Yeah, I don't think it will. I don't think a team can be a serious contender when they were already one of the worst in the league vs lefties by putting a defense in RF. Consistency? That's a lot to ask of from the rookies who'll be replacing him. Asking them to be more consistent than he was. Fewer Ks and more contact from players who were already projected to be on the roster(Frelick) doesn't really seem like it's going to help a team who's "going for it," when their ability to hit lefties was the single largest factor in keeping them out of the playoffs. And who's the other player who's most likely to be on the opening day roster? Garrett Mitchell...who struck out over 40% of the time, is another lefty and hasn't exactly been the model of consistency at any point during his career. To be clear for some...who've already said he's only on here to try and aggravate, I've never once suggested Attanasio was "cheap." I've said just the opposite. This couldn't be more simple. I don't like trading the player who was the BEST in the area you were the worst last year...UNLESS they make corresponding moves that make up for that loss...and again, as I've also repeatedly stated, it's November, so I'm reasonably confident they will. I doubt the Brewers have deluded themselves into thinking they can be one of the worst offenses in the league vs lefties, get rid of the guy who put up an sOPS+ of 131 vs lefties while the team as a hole put up a 90 sOPS+ vs lefties....and our lefties rookies will be enough to overcome that.

What do you consider developing a pitcher then? Hader had spent a little time in AA for Houston. He got to Milwaukee, his K's kept going up, two years later he was the 33rd ranked prospect in one top 100, 38 in MLB Pipeline(he wasn't top 100 before the trade). Phillips and Santana were the top two prospects in that trade. Houser had thrown 33 innings above HiA. So who did develop Hader? The Orioles? The Astros? Or the team that spent the most time with him and turned him into a top 40 prospect? "Developing" a pitcher is a lot more than simply drafting him. It's...well, developing him into a MLB pitcher. With Lauer, they had him throw his slider about 11% more and his 4 seamer about 11% less... By the logic you're using, did we develop Peralta? We didn't draft him...at what point does the team that got him to the Majors get credit for developing him? Example...if Makenzie Gore breaks out and becomes an ace with the Nats, I'd consider them having developed him...particularly given his struggles, not the Padres who rode his raw talent and then didn't help him make the adjustments. Corey Knebel is another guy. We got him to change the way he pitched...he became an elite late inning reliever.

What do you consider developing a pitcher then? Hader had spent a little time in AA for Houston. He got to Milwaukee, his K's kept going up, two years later he was the 33rd ranked prospect in one top 100, 38 in MLB Pipeline(he wasn't top 100 before the trade). Phillips and Santana were the top two prospects in that trade. Houser had thrown 33 innings above HiA. So who did develop Hader? The Orioles? The Astros? Or the team that spent the most time with him and turned him into a top 40 prospect? "Developing" a pitcher is a lot more than simply drafting him. It's...well, developing him into a MLB pitcher. With Lauer, they had him throw his slider about 11% more and his 4 seamer about 11% less... By the logic you're using, did we develop Peralta? We didn't draft him...at what point does the team that got him to the Majors get credit for developing him? Example...if Makenzie Gore breaks out and becomes an ace with the Nats, I'd consider them having developed him...particularly given his struggles, not the Padres who rode his raw talent and then didn't help him make the adjustments. Corey Knebel is another guy. We got him to change the way he pitched...he became an elite late inning reliever.

That's the key. It's not even December, so...maybe they've got a plan. Moving Wong made a lot more sense than moving Renfroe just given the makeup of the team. And while it makes for a clever quip, I don't think Hunter Renfroe was anyone's "favorite" player...or that it even matters. I like the young players we've got. I'm just not trusting Wiemer to step into Renfroe's shoes...which as of now seems like what the Brewers are counting on. But, again, still just November. The Brewers have surprised before. Maybe they'll go after someone with the savings. Maybe they'll still move Wong and try and bring in Contreras or Abreu. Or maybe there's a Willy Adames type trade out there. I just hope it's not signing 4-5 players like 2020 and hoping you get lucky. But I'll trust they've got a plan, otherwise, it's hard to see how they're "going for it" without being able to hit lefties. And maybe this Perkins kid helps...but that also seems like a stretch.

Yeah...you're right. It's not possible the Brewers who are trading Renfroe and possibly Wong could afford a 1B projected to get ~15M a year(which would STILL leave them with a lower payroll than last year). I really thought you had more insight than this...I'm starting to realize, you don't really offer any insight.

Yeah...you're right. It's not possible the Brewers who are trading Renfroe and possibly Wong could afford a 1B projected to get ~15M a year(which would STILL leave them with a lower payroll than last year). I really thought you had more insight than this...I'm starting to realize, you don't really offer any insight.

I'm not sure that's the case. There may have been some question about if Tampa had a TO, but do you remember MLF after the game? He was clearly angry and while he says everything stops with him and he takes ALL the blame, I think that was on Pettine;

Well...a few points. 1-No, it's not a given that Leonhard will leave...but he's in a VERY different situation than Fickell was in at OSU. 2-How is Dave Aranda doing? Feels like he's doing pretty well...though 2 years(and a Covid year) is not nearly enough to judged a HC; -I'd argue that he's had a pretty good run since leaving. A National Title, a 12 win season his 2nd year at Baylor, National Coach of the year...seems pretty successful. It'll be interesting to see if the Badgers bump in pay for assistants will come close to what LSU's was when they poached Aranda. -When people say a "second tier" program, I don't think it's an insult, but there are blue bloods(Alabama, ND, Texas, USC, GA, Oklahoma, Mich, OSU....etc...) and as you say, we're not in that tier. You can be a pretty damn good program and be below that top tier. -The Alvarez comp is a good one. He did turn down Miami...which was at ELITE job at that time. I thought he also turned down the opportunity to meet with other schools about coaching opportunities. So it's possible Fickell will do the same...and it's also possible Day outlasts Fickell at their respective schools. -The Badgers really DID recruit pretty damn well under Chryst. I wouldn't say that was the problem. Or at least they they had their best recruiting classes since they'd ranked classes in the last...what, 25 or so years. So I don't think that's a crazy observation.

Yeah, I really didn't think we'd fire Chryst. I thought the Badgers would be fine with Bostad, get their OL fixed and then get back to being a team that averages about 10 wins a year over a 5 year period, but not one that really challenges for more. And I was good with that. Then...in a bit of a bombshell, they fire Chryst...whom they owe a substantial amount of money to. A proven HC(though not an elite one). One who's at least brought in some good recruiting classes and was the best OC we'd had his last time here and you ASSUME they're going to give the job to the DC who's coveted by NFL teams, by other big Colleges... But apparently all the talk about not being satisfied with winning the B1G West and getting blown out. Building the 300M+ indoor practice facility, going after one of the top coaches in FBS, expanding the assistant pool salary. Hope it pays off. Nebraska got caught chasing more than 9-10 win teams and it bit them in the ass, but this feels like a pretty good fit.

I was actually a Capers fan. When he had good CBs, we had good defenses and he drew up some pretty clever blitzes. But you take Nick Collins, Sam Shields, Micah Hyde, Casey Heyward, and Tramon Williams from him and give him...Ladarius Gunter...not much he can do. I appreciate others don't share this sentiment, but he was aggressive and the way he moved Woodson around was impressive. As for Barry, I'm glad he gave Ford the start tonight...but from here on out, we should see guys like Slayton called up from the PS, Nixon playing outside at CB, Quay moving around playing the edge a bit, Devonte Wyatt should get 30 snaps a game. There is just NO reason to be playing Dean Lowry snaps right now ahead of Wyatt. You're building for the future(even if you'd won this game...so what). I really don't even care what this defense does the rest of the way. Same with the offense. It's like a 100 loss baseball team. You're just looking at the prospects. Yet somehow...I feel like Barry is going to even screw THAT up. FIRE-HIM-NOW! Johnny Grey is a very capable DC and has expressed his own frustrations(Subtely) about the style of play. Worst thing that can happen is he plays you out of a top 10 pick.

It wasn't just cover 1...it was like a Cover 1 Robber. He had safety sitting in the MIDDLE of the field... You're PRAYING for them to throw the ball over the middle. If ever there was a time for a cover 3. I mean, I get the corners playing aggressive as it was basically the same situation you had in Atlanta when Williams had that pick 6 as the Falcons were trying to pick up 6-8 more yards before the half, so you assume it'll be to the sideline, but just putting an INJURED Kevin King on the sideline... Still just mind boggling.

I just love how Leonard plays. He plays aggressive, he's a LOT more creative in his fronts and his blitzes than Barry is. He likes to play a lot of man and bring different pressures. The personnel in GB fits what he likes or wants to do at UW. Press man. He basically plays the style that Packers fans have wanted...but he lacks the athletes on the backend so he really relies on the pressure getting home, but with Stokes, Jaire, Douglas and then whomever else, I think it'd work really well. Also some really nice run blitzes when he knows there coming. There was one play yesterday where he looked like he was in cover 4 and right before the snap both Woheler and Latu came on blitzes on a 3rd and 4 and stopped them for a loss. They're generally pretty disciplined. Even this year after losing a lot of talent to graduation or injury, the defense has been alright. I'd describe him as basically a Greg Williams type DC with a fraction of the Ego. And again, a seamless transition in terms of personnel. I think Campbell, Walker, Wyatt, Savage and our edges would benefit the most. As for Evero, if he was one of their 3 finalists, I don't think it's fair to say they "didn't want him at all." They clearly thought highly of him. And he's done a very good job in Denver...but also keep in mind he took over a team with the #3 rated defense and they haven't played KC yet and they're #2 this year. So has he really made that big of a difference? I don't know, I don't watch the Broncos, but I do believe Leonhard is a perfect fit for GB. There are also people who think that the College game is more simple than the NFL game. I think Leonhard does a pretty good job of disguising not just blitzes, but also coverages(but again, it's like when Capers was in GB...if you don't have CBs, you're going to struggle).

Again, hope he ends up staying in State, but...ANY chance he stays at Wisconsin to become the DC? I'd guess the odds are about as close to 0 as you can get. He's gotta be feeling a certain type of way at this point. He turns down other jobs, he's viewed as the heir apparent as UW and they go and hire an OSU guy?