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I guess I can see the Hart comp...they're both tall, athletic at the same point, but Wiemer's power and arm make Buhner a more accurate comp IMO. But tall, lanky, sure. I can see Hart. But Sosa, Vaughn and Jenkins(especially a LHed Jenkins)? What part of their profiles are similar? They all had power I guess, but obviously so too did Buhner. Wiemer is 6'5 215, has a 70 arm, 60 power, some swing and miss. Sosa was 6' 165 coming into the big leagues(before the steroids). Buhner had one of the strongest arms from RF I've seen...none of those players are even close to Wiemer's defensive profile. Offensively, a guy who has a questionable hit tool, but big power, good plate discipline and strikes out a bit, that kinda fits a lot of players. Hunter Pence is a comp used for Wiemer and Buhner was a comp used for Pence. Obviously none are exact, but you're talking about 3 guys who are about 6 feet and bear little resemblance to Wiemer's athletic attributes.

I was gonna guess Ivan Rodriguez...but you said 4th best career, so...Doug Henry? I remember he got ROY votes for the Brewers that year...or there about. Obviously Pat Listach was the ROY that year.

I was gonna guess Ivan Rodriguez...but you said 4th best career, so...Doug Henry? I remember he got ROY votes for the Brewers that year...or there about. Obviously Pat Listach was the ROY that year.

Yeah, I don't like giving up Mitchell for Jansen myself, but I think that's good value. And I'd be willing to trade Ruiz Diaz for Wiemer? That VERY well may look like a steal in 2 years, but it could also be like trading Ken Phelps and his .400 OBP for Jay Buhner. THAT is a bad deal. He's clearly better than what we currently have, but I'm not giving up Wiemer and Hiura. I mean...I suspect he'll be swapped out for a reliever or something anyway, as much as I'd like to give him another run and hope he can get it together, but Wiemer has Jay Buhner like traits. He's built like an OLB and he's got a cannon and he's produced at AAA. Diaz is the type of hitter we need, but not for Wiemer. I'm also not counting on Chourio as this lock just yet. We've got a nice group of OFers, but Frelick is the only player I think is close to a sure thing in this current OF. In a year from now I'd be good with trading, but just because we have a surplus doesn't mean we HAVE to trade from it.

Glenn Braggs or Rickie Weeks? Weeks looked more like a RB, Braggs looked like an OLBer. Of course, Vogelbach looked like a Tony Siragusa type DT!

Glenn Braggs or Rickie Weeks? Weeks looked more like a RB, Braggs looked like an OLBer. Of course, Vogelbach looked like a Tony Siragusa type DT!

I don't think there have been many teams BETTER at bullpen "reclamation projects," than the Brewers the last 5-6 years.

I don't think there have been many teams BETTER at bullpen "reclamation projects," than the Brewers the last 5-6 years.

That's exactly what it sounded like. Just picking players that it'd make the most sense to trade. I'd guess the Brewers will first gauge their chances of extending Burnes before anything else. Then I'd still guess based on how last year went, Attanasio would be apprehensive of dealing him...and if he extends him, it keeps the window open longer. We'll see if Burnes really wants to be here like he said.

That's exactly what it sounded like. Just picking players that it'd make the most sense to trade. I'd guess the Brewers will first gauge their chances of extending Burnes before anything else. Then I'd still guess based on how last year went, Attanasio would be apprehensive of dealing him...and if he extends him, it keeps the window open longer. We'll see if Burnes really wants to be here like he said.

2026 is more the window people are looking at for the US Soccer team, right? I don't follow Soccer, but that's kinda the tone I've heard. That we had some young studs who weren't quite ready yet...or maybe they would just be in their prime in '26? I'd actually like to follow the Soccer team a little bit, but I am wholly ignorant about the state of US Soccer OTHER than it sounds like more athletes are getting into the sport and we're investing more in the infrastructure....I guess?

5/130 He's not deGrom, he's not a FA. No player options until MAYBE the final year. We're committing to him in case of injury, not in case he pitches really well. He gets 130M guaranteed and he gets to hit the market again at age 33. 6/200 is basically giving a player with 2 years left ~43M a year 2 years before he hits FA. I don't doubt he'd be able to get that as a FA, but he's not one. 5/130 GTD 10 SB 10-'23 20-'24 25-'25 25-'26 25-'27 40-'28 (Mutual Option 5 buyout) I'm also not deferring payment unless it's at the same price. The deferred money lowers the value of the contract. If you're waiting 15 years to pay some of it out, you should be paying at least 150. So 37.5 the last 3 years. That just isn't the best way to keep your books clean and it's not necessary. The Brewers can push their payroll into the ~150 range with the new TV money. If Burnes passes I'm going to Woodruff and offering 5/110. If neither sign, I'm not actively trading them, but I'm taking offers. The final thing I'm not doing is...signing any checks of having any say in the matters, so who knows. But I think Mark A will make an aggressive offer. I'm gonna guess he comes in around the Luis Castillo deal, maybe a bit over and Burnes turns it down. But I hope I'm wrong.

5/130 He's not deGrom, he's not a FA. No player options until MAYBE the final year. We're committing to him in case of injury, not in case he pitches really well. He gets 130M guaranteed and he gets to hit the market again at age 33. 6/200 is basically giving a player with 2 years left ~43M a year 2 years before he hits FA. I don't doubt he'd be able to get that as a FA, but he's not one. 5/130 GTD 10 SB 10-'23 20-'24 25-'25 25-'26 25-'27 40-'28 (Mutual Option 5 buyout) I'm also not deferring payment unless it's at the same price. The deferred money lowers the value of the contract. If you're waiting 15 years to pay some of it out, you should be paying at least 150. So 37.5 the last 3 years. That just isn't the best way to keep your books clean and it's not necessary. The Brewers can push their payroll into the ~150 range with the new TV money. If Burnes passes I'm going to Woodruff and offering 5/110. If neither sign, I'm not actively trading them, but I'm taking offers. The final thing I'm not doing is...signing any checks of having any say in the matters, so who knows. But I think Mark A will make an aggressive offer. I'm gonna guess he comes in around the Luis Castillo deal, maybe a bit over and Burnes turns it down. But I hope I'm wrong.

I really wish we could add a 0 to Mark Attanasio's net worth....and then double that. Imagine a 300M payroll? This is stupid money for a closer, but...ya just knew Cohen was going to pay it. What other team do you think would pay 100M for a closer? Even a...insanely good one?

I really wish we could add a 0 to Mark Attanasio's net worth....and then double that. Imagine a 300M payroll? This is stupid money for a closer, but...ya just knew Cohen was going to pay it. What other team do you think would pay 100M for a closer? Even a...insanely good one?

Honestly...the only reason I haven't cancelled my subscription is laziness. Nobody covers the Brewers...so they use Will Sammon because he used to and kinda knows. Jim Bowden is employed there(that really is in and of itself reason enough). Keith Law is empl....just swap his name out in the last sentence. It used to actually be insightful.

Honestly...the only reason I haven't cancelled my subscription is laziness. Nobody covers the Brewers...so they use Will Sammon because he used to and kinda knows. Jim Bowden is employed there(that really is in and of itself reason enough). Keith Law is empl....just swap his name out in the last sentence. It used to actually be insightful.

Well, I consider a tank job intentionally losing or making your team worse and I could see you argue you're doing that here, I'd argue you'd be worse for a year, but unlike any other? I'd view it as a team just kinda taking a step back and re-loading so that the prospects they are acquiring match-up with the prospects they've already got in-house. You already know you can't re-sign all 3 players...so I'd focus on Woodruff and then supplement Woody, Peralta, Ashby, Gasser with those 4 pitchers. I'd insist on Stone back(which would just make the Dodgers even less likely to do it). I also think you're being a bit hyperbolic on how bad they'd be. I think that'd be a team that'd be in the .500 range, with a realistic range of 75-85 wins(and I think capable of much more if Vargas hits right away and those pitchers come in and contribute, even if just out of the BP) and then by '24 I think they'd be absolutely stacked and a better version of this years Cleveland team. Young, they'd have a whole staff of flame throwers, a lot of young position prospects. And again, obviously I'm talking about just that Dodgers trade. Stone, Pepiot, Miller, Grove, Bruns...you're kinda recreating Woody and Burnes coming in as long relievers, but again, you'd have a better TOR with the actual Woodruff, Peralta and whoever emerges as the next starters. But these are all the reasons I don't think the Dodgers would do it. Give up 36 years of team control of VERY talented prospects on one of the top farm systems(or 42 depending on if you go with Buehler or another prospect). And you're really just losing likely a year of team control since we know we're not going to go with Burnes, Woody and Adames and get nothing back for them. Attendance would take a hit, fans would be upset, but winning solves all that and ultimately, this is the type of trade I, again, don't think would be offered, but I don't think you could afford to turn down if you're the Brewers.

I think deGrom gets the shorter contract because he wants the shorter deal. Maybe he'll get a 5/200 with a PO after the 2nd year. I don't know. Verlander on the other hand, I think he'll want the longer deal and he's showing no signs of regression. It also falls in line with pitchers getting shorter deals with higher AAV. New TV money coming in(not NFL type money, but more) and I don't think Verlander has trouble getting ~40AAV and 3 years. Now if deGrom wants a longer deal, I'm sure he'll get it. Beyond those top 2, I think Rodon is pretty accurate and then I think Bowden is...well, typical Bowden. Diaz is looking for 100M and I think he'll get it. He'll set the record for a reliever I would think and being on the Mets already, I think it's just that much more of a given. Maybe he comes in short of 100. I don't think you can get Senga 3/72. That seems like too much, but for a FA pitcher without a posting fee...and one who throws 100 with a plus-plus splitter(apparently, obviously I've just seen a couple pitches from Twitter). BUT-If you think that is ridiculous(which I'd understand, but disagree with). Did you see Keith Law's top 50 Free Agent list? Carlos Correa. Ok, 28 year old franchise SS, played and played well in several post-seasons. Trea Turner #2...alright. Makes sense. He's older, relies on speed, not the defender. #3 Dansby Swanson... If you just read his top 3, you'd think he forgot about that guy in NY who just put up one of the top offensive seasons in MLB HISTORY. Lots of nonsense after that.

I think deGrom gets the shorter contract because he wants the shorter deal. Maybe he'll get a 5/200 with a PO after the 2nd year. I don't know. Verlander on the other hand, I think he'll want the longer deal and he's showing no signs of regression. It also falls in line with pitchers getting shorter deals with higher AAV. New TV money coming in(not NFL type money, but more) and I don't think Verlander has trouble getting ~40AAV and 3 years. Now if deGrom wants a longer deal, I'm sure he'll get it. Beyond those top 2, I think Rodon is pretty accurate and then I think Bowden is...well, typical Bowden. Diaz is looking for 100M and I think he'll get it. He'll set the record for a reliever I would think and being on the Mets already, I think it's just that much more of a given. Maybe he comes in short of 100. I don't think you can get Senga 3/72. That seems like too much, but for a FA pitcher without a posting fee...and one who throws 100 with a plus-plus splitter(apparently, obviously I've just seen a couple pitches from Twitter). BUT-If you think that is ridiculous(which I'd understand, but disagree with). Did you see Keith Law's top 50 Free Agent list? Carlos Correa. Ok, 28 year old franchise SS, played and played well in several post-seasons. Trea Turner #2...alright. Makes sense. He's older, relies on speed, not the defender. #3 Dansby Swanson... If you just read his top 3, you'd think he forgot about that guy in NY who just put up one of the top offensive seasons in MLB HISTORY. Lots of nonsense after that.

I don' think it is. I think it's going to be very close to years and AAV.

Pat attention to WHAT? You STILL haven't made a coherent argument as to why Gunnar Henderson will not be a top 10 SS prospect over the next 6 years. What point have you made? That we don't ABSOLUTELY know what he'll do over the next 6 years? Great. You don't know what with literally anyone. Christian Yelich put up the best two year stretch in Brewers history. Came back and hit .205. The absurdity of this argument would be like me pointing out that in 2021 Walker Buehler was worth 6.6 WAR and Burnes was worth 5.6 and now Walker Buehler is out for the year. You want to "pay attention," then look at what prospects the caliber of Henderson do, especially after performing at the MLB level. Feels like you're being a contrarian just...simply for the sake of being a contrarian. The consensus among Scouts and Executives have him as one of the top 2-3 prospects in baseball and he's already shown he's not overmatched by MLB pitching(yes, "but Hiura"). He's also an elite defensive player.

Every answer to why a prospect who's already produced at the MLB level cannot be, "but Hiura." Gunnar Henderson is the #1 or #2 prospect in baseball for a reason. What does Keston Hiura have to do with Gunnar Henderson? And what possible reason do you "seriously doubt," he'll be a top 10 SS in the next 6 years? Also, Hiura was NEVER the prospect Henderson was.

Every answer to why a prospect who's already produced at the MLB level cannot be, "but Hiura." Gunnar Henderson is the #1 or #2 prospect in baseball for a reason. What does Keston Hiura have to do with Gunnar Henderson? And what possible reason do you "seriously doubt," he'll be a top 10 SS in the next 6 years? Also, Hiura was NEVER the prospect Henderson was.

Musta missed it. 376 in '71 and 346 in '72. There were 6-7 seasons with pitchers throwing ~340+ innings in just a couple year stretch there. Burnes has 375 the last two years(the only years he's been over 59 IP). So...I stand behind the point.