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I think it'd be a good idea if another burner falls to you in the 2nd/3rd. It's just such a night and day difference when Watson is on the field vs when he's not. All these mock drafts have wildly different rankings, but a guy like Franklin from Oregon would be a great fit. I wouldn't force it, but if he is there at 52 or wherever we pick 2nd in the 2nd rd, might be an idea. But it's certainly not a priority and this young group is really exciting. Just wish Toure was the guy they seemed to claim he was.

Ok, so the Packers in a city of 100,000 people are worth 4.25B and the Brewers are worth 1.6 and that's proving your point that they're "maximizing revenue and franchise value?" Even your very narrow example highlights my point. So again, 17 game schedule vs a 162 game schedule and the NFL dwarfs MLB. And you don't think their revenue sharing and the league's parity, the legitimate chance for every team to win, the Jets' inability to just pay more than every other franchise has nothing to do with that? https://nesn.com/bets/2023/07/you-wont-believe-how-much-more-revenue-the-nfl-rakes-in-over-mlb-nba-and-nhl/ You can directly tie the NFL's revenue sharing with its TV contracts to its blowing past MLB in revenue and becoming the more popular league.

No, that did not get included(or Chourio would likely not have signed).

Are they though? Why has a league that plays roughly 1/10th of the games generating far more revenue? Nearly twice the revenue...while growing at a far greater rate. Doesn't sound like they're maximizing their value. Seems like they'd probably do better if they collectively bargained their TV contracts like the NFL and the large market owners had the incredible foresight to do when they were not nearly as big as Baseball.

Sure, I could see the argument that Rodriguez may have the highest floor of any of these three, but the post is specifically about the Brewers next ace. Gasser was on top 100 lists at points last year, he's a lefty, a similar profile to Rodriguez(but he's a lefty). Neither have much more room to add velo, they each work in the low 90s, can tough ~95, they have one pitch that's plus, Gasser a slider, Rodriguez a CB. There's not much to separate the two right now. Both look like middle-of-the-rotation type pitchers. If Rodriguez can turn his Change into a more reliable plus pitch or if Gasser can improve his command and improve his cutter...maybe they end up as low-end #2s. So if everyone reaches their potential...I feel like this question answers itself. Misiorowski has concerns, but none of them are about his ceiling.

The defense should be higher than 10-15. This isn't like the 2010s. There's too much talent there(we're in that range right now). We should be in the top 10 pretty easily. Also, create more turnovers. The scheme, it's really not as big of a deal as people are suggesting. I think they're remembering the switch from the 43 to the 34. That was different. The 43 is easier for the front to play(no dropping) and the DL don't have to play 2 gaps. It's really a simpler scheme up front. You need 3 MLBers, but McDuffie could play as the 3rd LBer. This is just in the base. We're in nickel(everyone is) ~70% of the time. Base, maybe 20%. I'd like to see our front play more single gap. Get up-field instead of trying to hold your ground. But it's not like Aaron Kampman dropping or having Clay Matthews. And TJ Slaton, he still remains an invaluable piece in the 43. The slight adjustments pale in comparison to the risk of not getting the best candidate. Plus LVN and Gary, they actually played IDL in College. Gary almost exclusively. Smith in Washington was in a 43. My ideal off-season 1st-Talise Fuaga Monster RT out of Oregon St. Just a monster in the run game, athletic and good in the pass game, but rough around the edges. Tom moves to LT, our OTs are set. It's not Alt, but it's a helluva upgrade. 2nd(40) Barton(Duke) or Connor Bebbe(Kan St) OG Fix the OL in 2 moves. Barton can play C, OG or OT, but is best on the inside. Also, really good vs the run. Donovan Jackson is also an option. An Elgton Jenkins type. He's a powerful, athletic guard with 36 in" arms who could play OT, but is a road grader. 2(52)-Troy Franklin, Xavier Worthy WRs from Oregon/Texas. Deep threats. Our offense opens up so much with a deep threat. Protects against Watson and keeps the pipeline developing. 3(83) Bucky Irvin(RB Oregon) Probably goes a bit higher, but HR threat, can catch the ball out of the backfield. Perfect fit. 3(88) Cole Bishop(S Utah) 6'3 200. He can play FS, SS. Covers a lot of ground, he can come up and hit. 4(116)-Jaheim Bell(FB/RB/H-Back/TE/WR) He's a jack of all trades. He may be the most versatile offensive player and the ideal replacement for Deguara. Hasn't been asked to block much, but at 6'3 230 with elite speed, he's a matchup nightmare. 5-Supplemental pick for Lazard-Dillon Johnson(RB Washington) Another explosive back who can catch the ball. Stock could rise with the CFP, but right now graded as a 5/6 rd pick. 6-Zack Zinter(OG Mich) He was a 2/3 rd pick before the ACL injury. He's a monster inside. Most likely uses '24 as a RS type of year, but worth the pick IMO. two 6ths rd picks for Lowry and Reed -Jay Stanley(SS Southern Miss) Big, physical player. Can help on STs right away, but at 6'1 215, he can also play nickel LBer. -Elijah Jones(CB Boston College) 6'2 185 CB with good speed, and coverage ability. Probably needs to develop a bit more, but I like a developmental CB behind Jaire, Valentine, Stokes(who is probably not going to have his option picked up). 7th-Tyrice Knight(MLB UTEP) Under the radar, but he's 6'2 240, explosive and looks great on tape. Another STs first player to start, but he could end up in the rotation, particularly if Campbell is in fact cut). Free Agent Budda Baker 5/75 25 SB, 35 GTD against injury The OL gets a makeover on the OL. Tom kicks over to LT(where I think he'd have played this year if we'd have known Bakh wasn't going to play). Still a chance they bring Bakh back on an incentive-laden deal starting at the Veterans Minimum Benefit, but I wouldn't count on him. But with or without him, we add a big OT and a couple IOL prospects. The offense gets more playmakers to open the defense up. I think Jones is back after taking a pay cut from his ~11M base salary next year, but they need to get younger at RB. We have an exceptional young WR'ing core, but too much of our offense is predicated on the threat of the deep ball. Another speedster who can return kicks in place of Toure would be a big boost and insurance policy. And Jaheim Bell is an absolute matchup nightmare(I expect SF will draft him before us with their 3rd rd comp picks). The defense gets yet ANOTHER star, a physical safety next to Baker who can both cover ground. We're in outstanding cap space for the future. One more year where we have to clean the cap up a bit, eat the Bakh hit, Savage dead money, Nixon dead money(both voids). But we still end up with ~40M in cap space pretty easily. Clark gets a ~3/60 type extension...or you just let him play the year out and that 27M comes off. We'll have to sign Love. I'm guessing we're looking at 5/220 at this point, but QB salaries are stupid. But they'll do enough to mitigate the cap hits in the short term. Obviously, a WHOLE lot will change from now until the draft, this is just an outline of what I'd look at. OL #1 priority. It's been "good enough," as of late. Much of that is owed to that elite play of Tom, Josh Myers really turning it around and Jenkins returning to form. My backup signing would be Antoine Winfield, a guy who is physical like his father and can play the slot or play CF. Safety is also very deep this year in Free Agency, not so much in the draft. I'm not saying these moves make us a contender, but if Love and the young players in place right now continue to improve and we add a little more explosive playmakers, less pressure is on Watson and it'll open up the middle of the field for Kraft, Musgrave, Reed, Doubs, Wiccks and company. The real key is getting a veteran playmaker at safety and an upgrade at DC....regardless of what he runs. Someone who commands respect and who gets the most out of his players.

The 34 is more of the run-stopping defense(in theory...that was the reason it was created) and our DL wouldn't be undersized as 4-3 DEs. They'd be just fine. There's less you can do in a 43, but if Florres is out of a job, or a great DC who prefers a 43, I would be fine with it. In fact...I doubt there'd be many teams who'd have bigger DEs. Our personnel is versatile and more than ever, fits both styles. Gary, Van Ness, both bigger DEs in a 43 or as OLBers in a 3-4. Philly's DEs are tiny relatively speaking. SF has bigger DEs, but Bosa and Young are 6'5 and listed at 265 and 264 respectively. Their backups are 6'4 264 and then Gregory is 6'5 242. Gary is 6'5 277, Smith, 6'5 265, Van Ness at 6'5 272, Enagbare is the smallest at 6'4 258. Our best game plan this year was basically one in which Barry(or whoever actually came up with it) ran multiple fronts. So...whatever it takes, I don't care.

Exactly. That's why this article is a bit confusing. Where is Gasser? A lefty who strikes a lot of people out? He's got a similar ceiling to Rodriguez. But if the question is who's most likely to be the next ACE? It's Misiorowski and there's not a close 2nd at this time(well, Knoth I guess, but he's on a whole other timeline).

Sure...the reports look interesting. I also like Whitlock and a few other arms they have. Not enough to be significant pieces in a Burnes trade though. Whitlock just feels like the type of guy the Brewers could work wonders with.

An easy way to understand WHY "any Brewer fan would want to ink a pitcher over 30 yrs to any sort of longterm deal," was directly in my post. Also, not sure I consider 3 years a "long term deal," but also don't care enough to get into the weeds on that; There's an idea. You don't have to agree...but you can't say you have no idea why.

Absolutely no way am I giving Peralta a 5/125 extension 3 years out and with him throwing over 144IP once and it being last year. I also really doubt Woodruff signs that deal with multiple team options and then 40M deferred over 20 years. You really do love the deferred money and the "Fully Bobby Bonilla," concept though.

Ethan Small, Knoth, Misiorowski, they just traded Hader and the top prospect they got in return was a pitching prospect in Gasser. Every team tries to stockpile arms. The Brewers aren't unique in that. I don't think the top-paid prospects on the international market are often pitchers. If they are for another team...I don't know, but I'd agree in that one area the Brewers take a quantity-over quality approach as they're 15 year old kids and that's quite a bit further away than even a Prep arm and now 5-6 years behind a College pitcher... I don't think that's the case in any other aspect of player acquisition. I agree with this. It is a pithy acronym, but obviously untrue. If you go back through the years and look at the top 100 prospect list, there are a lot of prospects of all types who don't hit. I'd guess it wouldn't be all that much higher when looking at corner IFers with high K rates who hit for power. They likely also have a lot of variation per season. That doesn't seem like a good reason not to acquire those types of bats. Wasn't a good reason to not invest in Wilken.

I'm breathing just fine. Really? That's all you're saying? That's strange, because it seems like this ENTIRE thread has been about you complaining about them signing Chourio...and using the argument that they DIDN'T call him up as a strong point as to why they shouldn't have. I included Misiorowski as an extreme and kinda ridiculous example and he's one of the players you actually wanted up? Do you really think having him as the MAYBE 5th best reliever is better than developing him as a starting pitcher? And then when he's 25 and leaving, you're complaining about him leaving. Seriously? The Karate kid? LOL...alright...

They really haven't though. The Mets started last year with a 344M opening day payroll. The Dodgers went out and signed Ohtani to a massive deal, but this seismic shift really hasn't taken place. It didn't any more than when Arod signed a massive deal or he was traded to the Yanks or the Dodgers a few years ago were spending a ton of money. Big market teams throw around money. They haven't changed the rules or really even changed the games, just reminded those who somehow forgot about the financial realities(Which really should happen every year....when Cole gets 300M+ or a couple of 40-year-olds get 43M on multi-year deals). I do agree the Brewers should pick a lane and signing aging vets on the downside makes little sense if you trade Burnes and Adames...and Williams. I've argued for a while now Williams+Burnes makes a package for teams like Philly or others where we may be able to pry away a higher-tier arm we otherwise wouldn't.

He hit 3rd for the Brewers in December? The hell? There was a whole other season during the Winter Meetings and I missed it? Damn... 82M. Not over 100M. And he's 19, Winker got 2 ABs. The real madness is that you're still complaining about an extension that was universally regarded as an exceptional deal for the Brewers. False. You've made this false dichatomy between Chourio and Winker. One is a 5-tool CFer who's 19 years old, the other was a former AS who was terrible with the Brewers last year...which is why he got just 2ABs in the post-season. This naivete where you just ignore service time, particularly as a small market team, I get having to explain it to someone who's not a fan, but...you don't get this? By your logic, you'd have Misiorowski in the BP, Black at 1B, Gasser would have been up...just in the event they needed a long man who was a lefty(he was probably one of the 12 best pitchers). The year prior Wiemer, Frelick, they were both at least marginally better than Johnny Davis...could have been defensive replacements. Or we exhibit a bit of common sense and realize that the Brewers can aim to achieve two things simultaneously. 1-Win games 2-Develop players When the impact is marginal at best, it's probably not a good idea to sacrifice the latter. It's pretty straight forward. Throwing a 19-year-old prospect into a playoff race vs giving him another off-season to build up and get ready for the start of the season...while maintaining leverage in negotiations. I don't get how any of this is surprising.

This is your mind inside of the Brewers FO I gather? It's actually pretty obvious the Brewers were concerned about service time with no contract in place. And I doubt they'd "GLADLY paid the extra," for another late-season bat. The "extra," for 2 months of just major league average production at that point would have added a significant amount to the deal. I really don't believe you need Arnold to say they're concerned about service time with their prospects. It feels WAY too obvious.

Vanguard...it's owned by the investors, they aren't taking a pct, they take a flat fee(1500 a year, but you need to have a min of 500K in there **For a personal financial planner, not to open up any account there). That'd be my advice as I've been very happy with them. They go over every detail with you. The questions you should ask? I have a feeling you know, but are they fiduciary, how do they make money or what % do they take. What are their returns over the past 15 years. Probably nothing you wouldn't already ask. Maybe someone else can add something more insightful on that end, but Vanguard is something I'd strongly recommend.

I don't know about the Jaire thing. The MJS just reported that the decision on keeping him or not may come down to the 8M roster bonus he has coming up. Maybe that's a bluff. It seems outrageous to me that they'd cut him. Trading him would make a lot of sense, but are you getting a 1st? I'd certainly trade him if you could get a pick in the top half of the 1st, but given the injuries, that may be a big ask(coming off last year, I think he'd have been worth a 1st+a a couple of later picks). We're completely in agreement on JL. He's the ideal fit. With regard to the players, Slaton is more of a NT, but teams that run the 4-3 still have big, physical space-eaters out there. Damon Harrison played in a 4-3 for much of his career. LVN seems to like to play with his hand on the ground more than standing up. Gary is a guy I think is going to be great no matter where he plays. I also prefer the 34, but I don't want to see the Packers eliminating DCs because they run more of a 43. And really, any DC should be able to run both and get the most out of their players. But, hypothetically, if Saleh is available as a DC this upcoming off-season, you're not gonna pass on him because he likes a 4-3, right? I'm just using him as an example, I do not expect the Jets to fire him. They'd be crazy to do so.

I did as well. I'd gladly give Woody a 3-year deal in the 45M range with incentives. I'm confident enough in the teams' ability to rehab arms/shoulders and in Woody's work ethic and previous durability that I'd feel comfortable there. It'd be a big risk, but it's tough to get top of the rotation-type arms. The argument that it won't happen because...it didn't happen....it doesn't make sense to me. Also, we didn't waive him, we non-tendered him. That's a pretty big distinction. I think it's unlikely to happen, but of all the hypotheticals that have been thrown out, this seems like the most likely.

Yes...he's also had bad games vs terrible QBs and like every year a couple of games the D really played well, but that last part should be abundantly clear. I could understand why he was bad in Detroit and Washington. Preston Smith was his best player on the later team and he didn't have a whole lot in Detroit(I did not know his father-in-law was Rod Marinelli). Nobody that I can remember(maybe Suh was there...IDR). But there is talent in GB on that side of the ball. IF they can bring in someone who the players respect, I think you'd see this defense turn around very quickly. I prefer a 34 defense, but I don't really care at this point. It's really not that big of a deal...and a 4-3 where the DL can play a 1 gap scheme and get up-field may work better. I just hope we haven't done irreparable damage to the development of some of the young guys or a guy like Jaire. He's an elite talent and I really don't want to see him go. I'm still a big Jim Leonhard fan, but Minter from Michigan looked pretty good. Zimmer, such a wide range of candidates who are ALL just leagues better than Barry.

I meant what I said. I first used total revenue and then said the income a sport generates. And salaries are tied to that in professional sports. I'm really not even sure how that's in question. That MLB has fallen behind the other sports and is "only" at ~44% while the other sports have a set number that's closer to 49% has been a point of contention with the union fighting for a floor, but it absolutely is tied to it total revenue. Very specifically tailored to be tied to revenue generated. The entertainment sector? Ok, so they're not an outlier when compared to the entertainment sector, but you're still using overall inflation? I don't know(or believe) that's true with regard to the entertainment sector...but more importantly, I don't care. This was about sports as compared to general inflation.

NO, you're absolutely right. Player salaries have NEEEEVER been tied to the income a sport generates and professional sprots are not an outlier in economics at ALL! I am definitely the one who...-insert lazy 'tell me you know nothing without telling me- line here...🤣

We had a lot of success with Burnes leading our rotation...yet when someone proposed the idea of trading Yelich and using that money to sign Burnes(in another hypothetical) you flatly dismissed it by saying "ain't happening, Burnes said he priced himself out of Milwaukee." Not sure who suggested it, but it made a lot more sense than going and bringing back Hader at this point. What Burnes actually said was something along the lines of he's unlikely to sign an extension this close to free agency. But a reliever who's a current FA vs a SPer who's currently on our roster, you dismiss the possibility of signing the starter, but leave the door open to signing the reliever? The chances are exceedingly slim we sign either, it's just an odd contradiction there.

LOL...the overreactionary responses are a little funny to me. This was Fickell's first year, he's got a good recruiting class, his players coming in and we're already talking about how they'll NEVER get back to a B1G Title game, Fickell(the guy who went to the playoffs at Cincy, he may not be the answer... I think the playcalling is being a bit over-analyzed a bit as well. We played aggressively. If Allen is in there, or if it's the regular season, run it a bit more, but this is more of an exhibition game for teams to trot out the young guys who have stood out and give them some run. I thought they played well. They showed an explosive passing game, they have some players who should take a jump next year...but I'm really looking toward '25. You have to have some patience with a new HC looking to change a program. And we have Van-Dyke coming in along with a very talented young QB from Texas. Van Dyke was in some first rd mocks coming into this year. We have talented RBs, some exciting young WR, and some DBs. Positions we normally don't thrive at. Would have liked to have won...I don't see this as a huge harbinger of things to come, or doom on the horizon. If anything, I thought it was encouraging.

Player income is always tied to the revenue generated by the league(at least in the modern era). The dollar value from 1990 to 2023 does not compare salaries from today to 1990. If you were talking about a Principal, a skilled laborer, or virtually any other industry, it'd make sense. Not professional sports though. So I don't really understand why you'd use that standard for inflation. It's not really relevant.