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I can't understand Newman, but you could see last year during the family day 1 on 1's where he would go vs Wyatt, when he latched onto him, he was moving him, otherwise, Wyatt was beating him bad. I wonder if he's just better as a run blocker. Or...maybe he's just a good OG and we've been slow to adjust.

I was using Cy Young voting and what the perception of Burnes is...and I think he's still considered an ace.

Sure. The idea that Burnes isn't viewed as an ace anymore doesn't line-up IMO. He was 7th last year, won a Cy Young, 6th the year before. This year he wasn't QUITE as good, he did lead the league in WHIP, but he's a 29-year-old ace and the names that have been thrown out for him have been pretty impressive. I don't think the best we'll get is Busch, but IF that's the case, sure. Keep him.

You want the Brewers to give Burnes 6 years at 44M per year? ~260 for 6 years of a pitcher...for the Brewers...of Milwaukee? The Milwaukee in Wisconsin? Yeah, I think that'd do it. I think we'd be crazy at this point to give Burnes 44M a year over 6 years. I'd MUCH rather give Chourio half that over 10 years and then have some financial flexibility when you have the core of the #2/3 system in Baseball coming up and getting to arbitration.

Where's this from? MLB.com is reporting that Murphy is under contract for the 2024 season. Did we get something updated since that report? Edit-I see the reports that he didn't "re-sign," but...do we actually know if his contract expired this year? That's all I'm seeing to contradict the original reports that he's not under contract. That he was the lone coach to re-sign...but I'd assume these guys don't all go year to year.

I think there was a scoop and score with a lateral in there. So the Reggie lateral to LeRoy that started the Lambeau Leap. The one where Reggie may or may have stepped out.

If you're lacking arm strength, It's hard to see you going in the 1st rd. Penix, Ewers have average arms. Sanders arm strength and mobility put him as a late 1st if he comes out this year I think, another year and he could be 1-2 to Allar from PSU. McCarthy may also go back for that matter. It's possible there are only 2 QBs who have 1st rd-grade this year. Get the LT of the future, if Love's still not the guy, go get Allar, Sanders or whoever comes out of nowhere a year from now.

A blowout by WHO? The Bears should have blown the Saints out. But whatever, that's my point. The NFL is too close and even the bad teams are more than capable of beating the best teams. The Cards have actually been in several games this year and could easily have a better record...and with Murray coming back, I wouldn't be surprised to see them run off a few wins. The Panthers are the worst team, but even they have a rookie QB and it wouldn't surprise me to see him get hot later in the year and start to win. They have 2 games that they're big underdogs in. Again, I'm not saying the Packers end up in the top 2, but...the margin is so slim, Carolina could beat us, Chicago, TB, ATL, NO, Tenn. The only BIG upsets would be the Jaguars and the Cowboys. Meanwhile, we just lost to the Broncos and the Raiders. The draft order is going to shuffle quite a bit in the next 10 weeks.

Penix Jr seems like a backup to me. If we're taking a QB who's already got limited tools...everything had really better hit. McCarthy seems like the consensus #3 and a top ~20 prospect on just about every site, but he's I haven't really watched him enough to form a very strong opinion. Sanders looks like he could be interesting, but I am curious if he wasn't Deions son, if he wouldn't be rated a bit lower? IMO, at this time, having not watched any All-22(it's virtually impossible to get a good feel for a QB without all-22) two guys are as close to locks as you can be in Maye and Williams. There's a guy in McCarthy who people are high on, Sanders who looks like he's got ALL the possible tools you could want, but just one year of FBS experience...and then Nix who was very unimpressive in the SEC and Ewers who again, I haven't watched. I don't know that any of those guys are better prospects than Levis was last year and I think you're worse off drafting a QB you're not confident in, then trying yourself to him for 2-3 years rather than just foregoing QB altogether, drafting around the QB and then targeting one next year when Allar looks like another really good prospect. But sure, if they're really high on Sanders or fine. The only one I really don't want is Penix. He's just too similar to a Teddy Bridgewater to me. Limited arm strength, limited athletic ability (good athlete, not great). I think he'd thrive in a place like Minnesota, but in GB...I want the bigger tools and then try and develop a QB. Which is why I've also not given up on Love. He's just so frustrating as he looks like he's aiming the ball too often instead of just letting it go as he was earlier in the year.

Yeah... there are probably 50 draft-eligible QBs. They're obviously not all created the same. If you're going to replace Love at this point, without seeing him play with receivers who have more than 1 season under their belt, an OL that's been bad, and one of the worst running games, you need to be damn sure the guy you're using a 1st rd pick on is at least an upgrade on what you have. I suppose they may end up believing that's Ewers or McCarthy, but the consensus is there are two elite QBs and then a huge drop-off. If we're just drafting a QB and hoping, then we end up in a cycle like the Bears.

Yeah. And it is. I'm not saying the Cards have "one winnable game left." You are. I said it was unlikely the Packers could end up with a top 2 pick(BEFORE playing the Rams without their starting QB) and spelled out pretty clearly what I didn't agree with. Show me a contradiction. I don't THINK the Packers finish top 2(again, before their win yesterday) but I think your rationale is flawed. How about the Bears losing by ONE score to the Saints despite 5 additional turnovers? Is this really the hill we're dying on? Me saying it's illogical to say that 8 games into the season you can't say the Cards and Bears have just one more win? Hmmkay...

No, he wasn't. They sent down McCarthy and Philbin down there. Then Thompson and I believe Harlan went down there. BOTH groups to try and talk him out of retirement. He was adamant this time he was FINALLY retiring. Then we went through the off-season with Rodgers as the starter, we drafted Brohm, we drafted Flynn, we had 3 QBs, he wanted to come back and they said he'd have to compete for his job. He was not "pushed out." They asked him to come back...several times, then when they were well past that, he wanted to come back and was upset they didn't just hand him the starting job. So he had no reason to be upset with the Packers and I don't see how anyone argues he was pushed out. ****I GUESS if you want to make a steal man argument for Favre, he was "pushed out," that camp when they didn't just give into him...but I think that's a loose definition of the phrase pushed out.

Now...this is cute. The team that generates MASSIVE revenue and still ACTUALLY pinches pennies relative to revenue vs the Brewers! People can't really just look at this and go "oh...payroll higher, owner cares more," right? It's Chicago. Their ownership cares FAR more about real estate investments than the product on the field...

I have absolutely zero doubt he'd pass on one of these two QBs if they had as high of a grade on him as seemingly EVERYONE else does. What I hope he doesn't do is draft a guy like JJ McCarthy just to get another QB. If they think he's a legit QB, fine. I'd prefer they just build around Love(at least for one more year). It's nearly impossible to know what Love is with what we have at the moment. I'm kinda at that point where I can't actually root for them to lose, but...I'm not all that invested in them winning as it's counterproductive long-term, but it seems impossible(even before yesterday) to move below AZ, Car and Chicago. I think someone already pointed out, and the issue was already debated, but the Packers just aren't bad enough to catch up in the tankathon with the Panthers, Cards, and Bears. I'll guess we actually end up picking ~12th or so.

Yeah, I didn't say anything about Gary or Jones there bud and LouisEly cited several examples of players who WERE cut relatively quickly which...flat out disproves the claim he WON'T do that. Try and keep track of who you're talking to. Now I'll just cut and paste the response that was coherent and made sense in response to your claim; "Gutey hates to cut any of his higher draft picks and admit defeat no matter how evident it is that his pick is a failure." You cited a STs ace, a solid CB who wasn't as good as projected, but unquestionably one of the best 53, and a 4th rd Guard who's a backup and in his 3rd year... And you're still arguing this despite ample evidence to DIS-prove your point; @LouisEly made this comment...and was right.

His job isn't in jeopardy and if he did go out and spend a 1st on Maye or Williams, he's not going to be "punished" for that. They're spending significantly less money this year on the players on their team than anyone in the NFL after 3 straight years of winning 13 games trying to win an SB, they've completely turned over their roster, and Gutekunst isn't going anywhere while Murphy is here and that's through at least next year. I think the pretending would be a late 1st rd QB NOT being a franchise QB would mean he's fired. In any event, the argument went from he holds onto bad players too long to an ENTIRELY different argument that IF this QB isn't good, we can't "pretend," won't get him fired. Two...entirely different issues, and I don't care to go further into the 2nd as it's pointless.

Right. That is just TOTALLY made up out of nowhere. People don't like Gute because he drafted Love(I guess...really no other good reason) so they're convincing themselves he wouldn't cut bait and take a top 2 QB. The idea he doesn't cut high picks who fail quickly enough comes from nowhere.

I'm not seeing a whole lot of people making this about Attanasio or an organizational failure. It's basically the same people who always Sixto and then Brewer888 who said the Mets were going to give Counsell 15M a year and it was a lock he was going there.

No, you said the last time you were this disappointed IN A BREWER...inferring you were as disappointed in Moilitor as you were today. This statement I agree with though. This is a punch in the gut.

Molly was basically told he was not wanted in Milwaukee any longer. The level of disrespect shown to him is...not even remotely close to what happened here.

Yeah...I know. I was just trying to be nice, it was a decent write-up about the prospects...and then out came the "blown opportunity like they did in 2008 at 3B," and I realized...what's the point?

There's no question with Braun, I'm not touching this. Just STOP. I tried to compliment you, but you have these crazy ideas I've been reading for years. Didn't you want to move Frelick back to the IF? The Braun at 3B is insane and not worth entertaining and if Baez is as bad at 3B(he's so far away, he may not be)...but no, I'm not throwing a guy who commits an error on 10% of the plays, you're negating his bat and it's entirely counter-productive. The players you've suggested play these different positions they're not physically capable of playing...I'm out. Braun at 3B loses MOST of his value, how are you STILL making this argument?

You're kidding, right? It's so hard to tell as ANY time some thread's not strictly sticking to OPS+ and Baseball, you have people...bizarrely jumping in telling mods to lock it. Don't post in it if you don't want! Now...maybe you were kidding, I'm not sure. But it's still weird.

It has VERY little to do with age. One of the most powerful people in the Country and one of the Men most responsible for Unions who was tied to organized crime just vanished without a trace and people are interested in what happened to him. People will always want to know what happened with Amelia Earhart, and JonBenét Ramsey...they'll want to know if Hitler made it to Argentina, or This is the old kid in history class who says, "who cares, I wasn't even alive when this happened." Now if you just don't care how he died...fine. It's pretty well established he was killed by the mob and disposed of(The original story I heard made the most sense, shot, incinerated at a crematorium, and gone). This happened...15 years before I was born...and I find it fascinating.

Welp...I tried to have a serious conversation...