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Yeah, we're selling low and it's not like we've even got the oppurtunity to go back out and use it for Goldschmitd or Walker or whomever. We're likely just give up a decent prospect to save 15M(vs 22M) and I think he'll be worth it to us. Give him a 2nd year. Even if you can dump the salary, for what? Now you're losing Adames and Hoskins and getting? You're selling low. If you could have traded him and picked up Goldschmidt, fine, but he's gone, Walker, even guys like Santana. It's just a hole in your lineup(unless you get Yellich to play 1B and that seems unlikely, and you still don't have a great lineup vs LHP. Another year, better BABIP...I'll bet .800 OPS or higher 28 HRs or higher.

Right...of course there are economic disparities. That's why they're talking about it. The solution is sharing the media rights. That's where much of the disparity comes from. What they're explaining is basically the NFL(though even ticket sales are in revenue sharing). In that scenario, of course Milwaukee would be able to survive on a 150M floor. I don't think they'd be setting the cap at 400M a year or even 300. Where the luxury tax is seems like a more reasonable starting point. My guess is that's what they're trying to work towards and Bally and that whole situation may have helped expedite that.

Or...we just give up our next 2 first rd picks and paid a big fine? Probably better than ruining out relationships. This kid would likely be our #1 next year. If he'll come, you have to take that deal. The dollar amount is 20% of the total guarantee. I don't think that comes out of the bonus pool, but I don't know. The player does select the team. It's just a signing bonus and then 6 years of team control. The Brewers do have a shot. His agent speculated the Brewers may have a better shot as he's had negative experiences with the media and he doesn't want to go to a large market. We have the most money. Everyone is talking about going after him. Arnold is not so much, but we don't talk about much before it happens. I think he could be as significant a signing as any Wisconsin sports team has ever made outside of #92 in GB and maybe Woodson?

Yeah, I really hate this idea. We're looking at...what, eating 10M to facilitate a trade, then spend maybe 15M on a player like Goldy who may or may not even be an upgrade at this point. He missed a year, came back, had a lower BABIP, two bad months in June and August and...he'll come back, a year removed from the ACL and I'd bet put up a 800 OPS ~30 HRs for another team that we gave him away to. Just seems like a bad idea and like we'll force this. I'm more than happy to give Black, Bauers(hopefully some upgrade) and Hoskins the ABs at 1st and DH with the usual suspects filling in at DH. No reason to create another hole we have to fix....unless you can actually get out of the contract and replace it with Walker or Goldschmidt and I think that's unlikely.

Yeah...I think both of the trades you've suggested make some sense. I don't want to do the first and I don't think Boston does the later. Boston is trying to toe that line of young talent and a top ~5 payroll without gonig nuts. So an elite SS with 25 HR power, or a 3B(which I think Mayer is more suited to 3rd as Devers moves to 1st) is going to give them a young controllable stud. 1B-Casas 2B-Kristian Campbell(#10 overall) SS-Mayer(#7 overall) 3B-Devers OF-Rafaela, Duran(8.7 WAR), Abreu(3.4 WAR), Anthony(#3 overall prospect) DH-Yoshida C-Wong/Jansen If I'm Boston, I'm going after Burnes, going with the young core, maybe you get STory healthy and move him, but Wong was good last year, Jansen has been a good hitter most of his career. I wouldn't deal a SS/3B that highly regarded and their other top 100 prospect is a SS. When he's ready, you move Devers to 1B, Mayer to 3rd and you've got an elite mostly young IF with Devers as the vet, a young OF. I'd want Peralta and Contreras for Mayer and maybe a guy like Wong. That may be closer to what it'd take to get Mayer...IMO. Boston isn't acting like a team that's a great fit for us given how theyr're building. But I like the idea of getting Mayer.

I don't recall Bauers playing many games at DH with Hoskins at 1B. How many games did Bauers start at DH in which Hoskins started at 1B? I have a very different recollection than you. I know Bauers had a total of 43 PAs in 17 Games. I seem to remember most of those games...he came in as a PH and wasn't a DH option over Hoskins. Casas is a 1B with 4 years of team control. Quero is a GG caliber catcher who at 20-21 was the best defensive catcher in the minors and put up a 262/.339/.441 .779 at AA. He also hit 16HRs in 90 games. A league-average offensive player who is a GG catcher is more valuable than Casas, especially when you compare time. 4 years of Casas vs nearly 7 for Quero. It's a great trade if you have the money of a mid-market team, but Quero's value is too much. He's probably looking at starting when he's 23. Call him up a couple months into the season, you get 23-29 season. You extend him...should he prove worth it as the season goes on, you pick up a couple more options. I'll take that over a good 1B. What's more, if you get Casas, you are getting a slightly worse version of Rhys Hoskins entire career save for last year coming offf a torn ACL.

What about him? You have a question little scouting report on him? I know next to nothing about these young arms until I can see them at Appleton and even t. At least the IFAs. We don't get much in the way of scouting reports. Does he have a big arm? He's a smaller guy, but that's a good jump. A couple outings at HiA to the Brewers Pen?

Why are we pushing Ashby out of the rotation? Aside from the fact that no team gets through the year with 5 starters, he's got the highest upside of any of those arms save for maybe Woody but we we need a 6th starter. Woody coming off injury, Ashby/Hall innings counts. I'm not worried about having too many who can starter. Another thing to consider is that Myers hasn't been great the 3rd time through...so that could be part of an early season plan. Myers to Hall, Ashby the 6th day. Just leave Misiorowski in AAA to get a full yeaer, maybe bring him up if there's an injury or he forces his way in. But Ashby? NO reason to not have him starter the season as the #6(at least) and throwing 3-4 innings when there is a day off or...just go with the 6 man either way. He has a starters repertoire and he throws an upper 90s sinker with filthy movement. I think Uribe becames the best or 2nd best reliever, but I also love the idea of a full season of Mears, Hudson, Yoho, We've got power arms, we've got a bunch of lefties. I think our Pen will be as good next year as this year. I think Mears will break out. DL Hall will slide into that long man, maybe move up to that SU man(though I still like him as a starter as well).

The Math is real simple IMO and I don't have to talk myself into it. They added Tucker for Bellinger/Suzuki(lets say one for the sake or argument), Paredes and Wesneski just for next years team. They also traded away the 14th pick in the draft from last year, the #1 prospect in the Astros organization now. They added...maybe2 WAR to next years team. Tucker is a top ~10 hitter in Baseball. I also don't think he makes the Cubs much better next year. Both of those things can be true. It's not Fantasy Baseball. Maybe they make another trade and move Busch so Bellinger can play 1B. But then they still have to try and move Suzuki...who has a NTC. Or they can play Bellinger in CF and I'm not sure what happens to PCA in that scenario...but they added to the strength of their team for a player who'll likely net them a comp pick in a year. I don't think that's worth what they gave up. If you think they're a playoff team, then fine. The upgrade might actually make a difference. I agree with @sveumrules...how good of a trade it is will depend on any extension. I could also change my mind based on other signings. If the trade rumors are true and they're dealing another top 100 prospect+ for a pitcher who is extremely erratic...eh, just not a team that really scares me.

I think it's really dumb on the Cubs behalf. I do think the period they have to extend him is very relevant. So relevant, it's what makes or breaks the trade. They're going to have to trade at least one of Bellinger or Haap or Suzuki? And the gap between them isn't THAT big. If they extend him, fine, but if Soto is getting 765 and up to 830 with 75M up front, Tucker is certainly worth 400M over 12 years or so. 300 would be a great deal, not a discount.

They have new owners, so if they're going to keep Gunnnar, Adley, Jackson Holliday, they have a BIG window and then fine. I don't know if they will though. Also...how does Max Fried get 218M? I guess maybe Burnes is just gonna get that much money. The 7/200 projections(that were always low) must be closer to Cole type numbers now. A year younger, pretty similar, but Burnes has been healthier and he's a little more dominant when both are on.

Oh...well, they were right. Some of these posts are stating things as facts because we just don't think it will happen, but if you actually have a reason, I will keep that in mind. And clearly you were right. Looking at what they got, the Brewers probably got out real quick. I actually get the price going up since the deadline. I didn't think he had all that much use to us at the deadline. Now, he's thrown a full year and a team can limit his innings, but he's pretty much going to be able to handle a full workload next year. That's with the Brewers. He's athletic and if he can hit, I think teams will want him. I think he's got positions, they're just positions the Brewers have depth and talent at. He's athletic. You can play in the OF if you're athletic(especially if you were happy running Eloy out there). 1B I'd imagine. If his skills at 2B/3B are below par for the Brewers or even for a team like the Sox, I'd think he could play 1B. He's young, athletic and has hit at every level. There's still value there. Yeah, I did say I don't think he's got much value. Maybe some as a 1st rd pick, but not much.

Maybe...or maybe this is just how the Brewers do things. How they've always done things. Seldom are any big moves the Brewers make telegraphed. Even when they trade players away, it's surprising but not surprising. They made moves last year that made it appear they were going to try and compete and then traded Burnes when we assumed he'd be around. Hader was out of nowhere, Cain, Yelich. Any one player is going to be a longshot. I don't think being left out of one article means we're in or not. As for your proposal, I really like Lara and that's 4 good prospects, but for a guy who's open to an extension? Say 3/60 with a couple TO? I'd do that and I'd add a little if you could get an agreement done. So take the ~2.9M he's projected to make, 7M for next year and then add the 3 years. 5/70, 10M SB to entice him(which would probably make it harder but worth it). For that, I'd be on board. But we don't even know if they're actually in it or not.

I don't know that it is true. I don't know the current system does maximize the revenue for players. I don't know what % of revenue is going to the players this year, but it'd been trending down for a while, even with the massive money spent by the top few teams, it was ~38%, 39% of revenue was spent on players. NFL, NBA, NHL, they get 48%-51% of revenue. But those leagues, the NFL in particular, they take all that TV money, put it in one pot and each team gets a check at the start of the year. That check is enough to cover the Packers operating expenses for the year. Maybe not in a year in which they go nuts with signing bonuses or basically circumvent the cap...but plenty to cover the salary cap and then some. This was Bud Selig's mission as commissioner, and he did some good work. Some of it is pretty gimmicky. The comp picks, whatever. He did increase revenue sharing...but it's not remotely similar to the other leagues. For now, the Brewers are competing by just doing more with less and their player development, and that can make it almost more fun at times...or maybe that's just rationalization, but it's better than calling the Brewers cheap constantly or pretending the chasm doesn't exist.

My man...they're doing this to dump salary. But in this scenario, they take back 22M in GTD salary Hoskins is owed. So take the ~64M they owe Arrenado and subtract that. And then they give away Jordan Walker...who you want for a reason and they trade him as well. And their return is a bad contract, a guy who was a FA MiLB pitcher and Tyler Black who...he's nice, but only save a little money this year and get back that package? In a rebuilding year?

Walker can play 1B. He's a capable defender at 3rd, he just hasn't because of Arrenado. I don't think the Cardinals even consider this deal. Walker needs regular playing time. He's still got massive upside. Arrenado is still a good 3B and with the Rox paying part of his deal(I think it's 10M over the next 3 years) you get him for 3/64 and you're giving up 22M in GTD salary in return? This is the most no-brainer trade of all time. Arrenado is not 3 and 42. We'd give him that. Walker is definitely worth acquiring.

Well, they liked him enough to draft him out of HS. I don't want to give up the prospects it'd likely take either. The Mets and Yankees are the favorites but the Mets system seems to be a much better fit than the Yankees.

I don't think you can take Black, throw in 5 guys who are not really prospects and make the deal, but why wouldn't they have interest in a top 100 prospect who has...virtually no service time? Wilken value is going to be in his power and ability to get on base. They're devoid of talent. I'd guess they'd willing to take whatever the best prospects rather than filling holes in their lineup. This is a team that lost...101 and 121 games the last two years. They're in a complete rebuild. Just take the talent. I'm sure they'd want Pratt or Made. I don't know how to guess how they'd value Misiorowski vs Pratt vs a 17-year-old Made. This is the same organization that traded Tatis Jr at 17, so may not want to build a trade around a kid that young.

Yeah, I guess that's true, but so many of their players are guys who just not eligible for prospect status, but still have 6 years there...like Holliday, Kjestad, Cowser, Westburg... I have to say, if they need to use Mountcastle to free up money...as a fan, I'd be so disappointed. That may be the route they go, it has been for a long time, but these new owners should really be willing to spend. I'd be looking at the next 3-4 years as a legitimate shot at winning a WS. Re-sign Burnes, look to trade for another arm maybe, C: Adley Rutschman 1B: Ryan Mountcastle, Ryan O'Hearn/Mayo 2B: Jackson Holliday SS: Gunnar Henderson 3B: Jordan Westburg/Mayo OF: Cedric Mullins, O'Neill, Colton Cowser DH: Heston Kjerstad, O'Hearn That is a stacked lineup. I think Holliday breaks out this year. How are they letting Burnes walk without a fight? They'll have a cheaper payroll that the Brewers. You've got the chance to win 2-3 WS. Perhaps they'll come out and announce big extensions for Holliday, Adley, Gunnar, but I suspect all of those will be more difficult now with the size of these contracts for a guy in his mid 20s. I feel like 10/500 is the new 10/300 for a superstar like Gunnar...so might as well just go for it now!

Willy put up 3.3 WAR in that 2023 season. 3.0 if you want to use Bref(3.1 this year). Prior to that he'd put up a 4.3, 4.2, 1.9 and 3.9 WAR...so the record of success is pretty strong. Main different in Willy last year was a career-low low BABIP. xwOBA was .335, 2nd highest of his career. Either way...he was worth the QO and I doubt the Brewers don't offer it.

LOL...yes, this is OBVIOUSLY a part of being a Brewers fan. It's almost a badge of honor. We have to do it by being smarter and better run. But everything you're describing is evidence of the initial statement. The original post didn't comment on SHOULD the Brewers sign Adames, is he the 3rd best defensive SS(and I just simply do NOT think Adames went from fringe GG caliber defender to a very poor defender, I think that was the result of playing between two other SS, but particularly Ortiz as he got to balls that Adames otherwise would have which would have helped his metrics. And then he went through a bumpy stretch with some errant throws. No longer term trend. No. Giannis in MLB terms is pretty much Juan Soto. He'd be so comically priced out of Milwaukee, we'd Giannis is basically Juan Soto. Again, the guy who JUST got more money in one contract than our owners net worth? Also...absolutely nobody said he was. Probably more like...Brook Lopez, a guy we had to bid against the Rockets to give ~50M over 2 years. Was the point that if the player isn't a top 20-25 player of all-time and a transformative player, they're not a "data point?" -Not every Free Agent should be re-signed by Milwaukee? How...it's like you're entirely new to the sport and this stuff needs to be explained. It's not that we don't re-sign EVERY elite Free Agent like the Packers do or the Bucks do...provided they want to, it's that we cannot afford to sign ANY of them given the massive fiscal inequalities in the game. I'm just confused how that point can be disputed because you're arguing that Adames won't be worth his deal at the end of it. That's just confirming how you've framed ALL of this in the small market Brewers perspective. In every other sport, you can eat that money and be fine. That Aaron Rodgers that you claim we had to trade due to the cap(which we didn't). He cost more trading him with respect to the cap. We had ~70 MILLION in dead cap last year. That's basically the NFL equivalent of the bad years of a players contract. The Angels with Pujols and Hamilton, the Tigers with Miggy, whatever. Aaron Jones? He's got a higher dead cap than all the money we Guaranteed to Josh Jacobs this year. Keeping him was about 8M vs the cap CHEAPER(and he was at the very least arguably better as a player, just older...and we have plenty of cap, we could have kept both, purely from a financial aspect). This year we have 65M in dead cap. The Bucks and Packers have been among the highest spenders in their respective leagues. The Packers spent ~340M on players a couple years ago. 100M over that years cap by using voids and the like. The Bucks are...without looking behind MAYBE 3 teams in total salary. All Data Points in the difference between MLB and the other major sports leagues.

Yeah, I mean, end of '26 isn't crazy. You see what people are saying about him. I'd argue back against the # of players who played at that age(he'd be 19 going on 20)...maybe we got one. But the great thing is, these aren't the days of Antoine Williamson or...whoever the hell. We have Cooper Pratt, Luis Pena, we have SO many other guys with high ceilings. The dream isn't in finding another star...IMO. I think we'll do that. It's in hitting on a couple and then just good solid players as these guys move up. Bitonti doesn't have to be a 30HR hitter, if he can hit .225 with a .325 OBP, hit 25 HRs and play great D at 1B, fine(or 3B). We just have so many options AND we're stacking these LA classes on each other. It's just a whole different era in Brewers baseball. The point is, we're not counting on it being Made, Pratt, Quero...and we don't have to rush them. It's also December 10th and Juan Soto is now worth more than the Principal owner of the Brewers is worth, so nothing wrong with being a little overly optimistic on the young guns!

What for? Devin Williams as a hedge against Bautista? Give them another HL reliever? He should be back and healthy for next year, but it's a walk year for Williams. He may be willing to be a lights out SU man on a contender for a year. The two systems don't really match up as neither has MLB ready arms save for Misiorowski, so it'd be a tough sell to get, but Mayo may be the guy who replaces Mountcastle.

That's...very optimistic! I'd be thrilled with a year split between A ball. Maybe he gets into the playoffs in AA. Then a year in AA. And then if he's on the route Chourio is, 8/80+2 team options. That is assuming SO much between then and now, but it's fun to think about. I don't think I'd want a rookie young(or 2nd/3rd year Yount) on this iteration of the Brewers. That was before you had to worry about service time and the Brewers were bad. They were building for something. This team is trying to COMPETE for everything.

Fair enough...we don't need to talk about it, but we don't need to pretend it doesn't exist while the Dodgers COULD spend nearly 1.5B(combined) on two players in back-to-back years(even though I don't think Soto chooses to sign with them). But the part in bold is all the Brewers can realistically address and the next 6-7 look to be very competitive as well.