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Umpire at home was terrible today, but he was terrible both ways. Nothing he did cost us the game, Sogard booting a ball for a run and our best hitters not coming away with more than 1 run in the 7th with a big inning chance is what cost us the game.

We are not going to win this division if we are going to be the punching bags for the Cubs this season. 6-9 in division games this year, That's not good enough. And 1-5 against the Cubs, that's awful. Every other team they play has figured out their pitching besides us.

Perez can join Sogard in the unemployment line. Both of these guys just completely suck. Kick both of them to the curb and promote Dubon and Phillips and your bench improves immensely and Dubon is your new utility guy and Counsell won't be able to get the hankering every other day to start Sogard and Perez. I'm speaking partially on emotion because I'm ticked, but I definitely am ready for Sogard to go. If you're going to carry him on the roster he deserves the Rule 5 treatment of being used only when absolutely necessary, and if Counsell can't use him like that he needs to go. I'm just ticked because this was supposed to be the year of the awesome bench depth, with no Nick Franklins on our roster, and yet here we are with 2 of them on the roster.

Oof. Tough to see an 11 pitch AB end like that.

If CC is the reason that Sogard was brought back hopefully this is lesson enough for him to leave the personnel decisions to Stearns in the future.

At least Sogard offers good defense.

Crud.

Usually you don't want to do that with the bases loaded. Much easier to get an out at home on a force than on a tag.

C'mon Yelich, need you to snap out of it now.

Good work pineapple!

I'm not watching, but Gameday showed 1 ball, 3 strikes to Sogard. Walked on 4 pitches.

This umpire trying to set a computer era record for most botched ball and strike calls in a game.

Rough series for Yelich so far.

Sogard and Counsell are going to have one sad conversation with many hugs and tears in Counsell's office sometime in the next month or two.

Yep, pretty much. There are always going to be people out there who hate Suter because he doesn't throw 95. If he keeps you in games, what else do you want from a #4/5 starter? And it is not like he's getting the support of our best players. We've tossed out the B-lineup in support. Who? Braun isn't out there, but you've got Shaw, Yelich, Cain, Aguilar... if you would have rather gone Braun and Aguilar in instead of Santana and Aguilar I can't argue but other than that they should be able to do more than this. My feelings about Sogard are well known but it's not like Arcia is a bat you miss.

Yep, pretty much. There are always going to be people out there who hate Suter because he doesn't throw 95. If he keeps you in games, what else do you want from a #4/5 starter? 5 IP 3 ER is still a pretty bad line. I really don't care how he performs relative to expectations for a #4/#5. I care how he performs relative to what our other options to replace him can perform.

And he probably couldn't care less, because there are zero repercussions for these guys. Suck at your job in the real world? Get fired. In MLB? Get DFAed. MLB umpire? No worries, you stick around as many years as you want.

How many more games are we going to throw away keeping Suter in this rotation?

At the same time this post attempts to put light on the trade, it shows the negative to me in the trade. Rodgers is a year older, obviously collar bone fragile. His window is shorter and shorter too. Adding the guessed 90grade talent may be a year too late. And thats hopeful the return pick is top 15. This isnt TT's draft. We dont need to pile in 7+ picks next season when we have 12 this year. We reduced our draft dropping 4, and replacing a 3rd with a 5th. It's tiresome running out there a dozen late 4th rd-undrafted FAs to compete within the division drafting top 20s so often. Need top 60guys now, not next season. Rodgers is nearly a full 5 years younger than Brees, so there's not the same urgency. There's no need to go all in on 2018. Top 60 guys would help now and they'll still help in 2019. The '19 draft class is going to be completely loaded with pass rushers which was probably a consideration in taking the trade too.

Yeah you're right, I was looking at it wrong. Can't believe it's that much. Don't see us moving back up into the 3rd unless it's just a few spots.

Here's a link to a draft value calculator: https://www.footballguys.com/pickvalue.htm Per this they'd have to trade Pick 101 (1st pick in the 4th), 133 (4th round compensatory), 147 (5th round from Saints), and 172 (5th round compensatory) to get the 80th pick (which is the 20th pick in the 3rd I think). I think they would include a future year pick or two instead of all four from this year. Going off the value chart from walterfootball I can't imagine it would cost them that much for that modest of a move up that late in the draft. I think a move up 5-10 spots info the 3rd from the 1st pick in the 4th costs them that pick of course plus one of their 5ths, and a move up closer to the mid 3rd costs them closer to both 4ths. IMO.

If you were an NFL GM, you would rather have one (late) 3rd round pick in the current year than a 5th in the current year and a guaranteed 1st round pick of unknown position next year? Really? Unless I'm reading that wrong and you mean we should have gotten a 1st next year + a 3rd this year, in which case I would disagree. Saints already gave up way too much. 12picks this year. 1 was top 15. The move down to 27 for a 1st rd next year, as stated will likely be after 15. As well as ours outside top 15. Now they moved back up and got (supposedly) the player they were going to draft at 14. But this move on its own, I dont like parting away from a top 15 to pick 25+ and a ? For 1st next season. Big gamble. Prior to trading back up, youre talking (hypothetically) a chance for a 90+ grade player. Impact. For 1 80s grade player and most likely 80s grade next season. Meanwhile with 12picks now 45 and beyond youre talking below 80grade filling out your team. Gotta wait 1year for this return value on 1st rd. And the 5th rd guy like an upper 60s grade player. So yes, I believe they should have gotten a 3rd vs the 5th. Offer a contingent on next season giving up a 3rd or 5th depending on top 14 or below 14th. IMO you're discounting the value of next year's 1st wayyy too much. Going strictly by the draft value chart, which isn't gospel but is a pretty good guide, the drop from 14th to 27th is a drop of about 420 points, or roughly the value of a mid 2nd round pick. The Saints could win the Super Bowl next year and we still come out far ahead in value. Yes, it sucks for us to have to wait a year, but we'll be thrilled about it this time next year. Unless you're going from a very deep draft to a very shallow draft, 1st round value is still 1st round value regardless of the year. You're also making a big assumption that the Saints will pick in the 20s. Yes they were solid in 2017 but they finished 7-9 every year in the 3 years before that. They play in a very tough division and could easily wind up 3rd in the division and miss the playoffs depending on the bounces they get in 2018. They'd also be a Drew Brees injury away from a top 10 pick.

Back in January 2017 the Rays turned down 3 top 50 prospects from the Astros for Archer. Bet they wish they could do that over again.

Really wish we had pulled off last night's game as this one seems far less winnable. But, we'll see.

Has literally one person here referred to any of Burnett, Ryan, Randall, or Lowry as "solid starters"? One guy said Lowry was solid depth which isn't nearly the same thing. Has anyone said the defense is full of stars? Or that everyone on the roster is good? I think you're embellishing quite a bit here. I see mostly reasonable responses.